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PostSubject: Re: CREAM OF THE CROP   November 29th 2016, 8:50 pm

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Is that "13 ga" on the muzzle end but 12 ga on the breech end? Question

I don't have calipers to measure that far in. So, I am open to advise. 
However, the gun smith at Buffalo Bill's made the final call so I am rather 
certain of it. 

Smoke? Not on your life. Go peddle it elsewhere. Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: CREAM OF THE CROP   November 30th 2016, 9:32 am

Almost assuredly, it is a 12 ga. The shotgun is choked, therefore the bore is of a lesser diameter than the barrel is below the choke. .710" is in the modified range for a 12 ga. shotgun.

The cylinder bore measurement (no choke) for a 12 ga. varies between .728-.733". As the bore is constricted (choked), it would measure less depending on which choke was formed.



Tell the gunsmith to learn about chokes.

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PostSubject: Re: CREAM OF THE CROP   November 30th 2016, 6:34 pm

@patocazador wrote:
Almost assuredly, it is a 12 ga. The shotgun is choked, therefore the bore is of a lesser diameter than the barrel is below the choke. .710" is in the modified range for a 12 ga. shotgun.

The cylinder bore measurement (no choke) for a 12 ga. varies between .728-.733". As the bore is constricted (choked), it would measure less depending on which choke was formed.



Tell the gunsmith to learn about chokes.

I believe you. It makes more sense than Pendersoli making a 13 Gauge shotgun 
for the mass market. I am still gonna check barrels in the future.

I did not question the gun smith. However, he did admit that 
he did not get in many bp shotguns these days.

But, I admit to not completely understanding. Chokes are not something I know intimately. 
I believed the choke was closer to the breech?

This is the table we were working from. 



As I have already ordered 13 gauge stuff, please advise? I suspect it will be O.K.? The measurements are not that different. 
Or, am I wrong?

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PostSubject: Re: CREAM OF THE CROP   November 30th 2016, 7:45 pm

As patocazador said, the muzzle end is "choked" so the actual size is .729...or .73 cal. at the breech end, so the fiber wad and card wad has to squeeze down until it reaches the true bore size....otherwise the wad would be too small and could slip back down the bore, making it a potential bomb....like all muzzle loading firearms.....i.e. ball or shot must be seated firmly against the powder charge. Depending on the "choke" the purpose is to create a specific pattern...which you probably already knew Embarassed

The various different odd size "gauges" are for the the many antique shotguns which were not necessarily standardized or very often foreign calibrations.................so yes it matters.....I'd try and stop the order....always order the gauge size of the shotgun.......10, 12, 16, 20, 24, 28 are pretty standard sizes for modern made muzzle loading shotguns and smooth bore fowlers and smooth rifles.

But don't take my word for it alone.

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PostSubject: Re: CREAM OF THE CROP   November 30th 2016, 8:42 pm

I was afraid of that. Best to be safe. 

The order already shipped. Too late for that. Fortunately, it 
is not a big deal. 

I confess I am surprised at the gun smith. I guess we can't know everything.

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PostSubject: Re: CREAM OF THE CROP   March 24th 2017, 7:36 am

@RonC wrote:
Along with the illustrious Bob, I am to blame for the Colonel's spending spree as well as his extra crispy fried chicken. pale I bow my head in shame. The shame is that I didn't get to this double before he did!

I'll trade you one of my rubber band guns for the Pedersoli double!! I'll even include a bag of 50 mm caliber bag of rubber bands.
Ron

Go back to your bucket of extra crispy fried chicken Ron......

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PostSubject: Re: CREAM OF THE CROP   March 26th 2017, 10:41 am

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I'll trade you one of my rubber band guns for the Pedersoli double!! I'll even include a bag of 50 mm caliber bag of rubber bands.
Ron

I thought I was getting the rubber band gun? What a two timer!

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How many times have we heard this trade from Ron ???

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PostSubject: Re: CREAM OF THE CROP   March 26th 2017, 11:38 am

I developed the idea of the rubber band gun swap while reading "The Art of the Deal."

The double barreled one
It was only shot by an elderly woman once a year.; The wood is a Grade 4, rare species known as Oakus Pocus, found only growing in sewage septic fields.
These 2 fine arms were used in a duel between 2 politicians. They called each other liars. The loser, the one shot, would be deemed the bigger liar. They shot each other dead.
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PostSubject: Re: CREAM OF THE CROP   March 26th 2017, 2:37 pm

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PostSubject: Re: CREAM OF THE CROP   March 26th 2017, 3:06 pm

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I developed the idea of the rubber band gun swap while reading "The Art of the Deal."

RON

You guys should have seen him trying to sell empty Coors cans in Golden CO at "Golden Days". Claimed that the old gunfighter (these wooden guns) "Wild Ron C had drank out of these cans back in the day". Never would say what day or when this happened. Folks would buy the cans just to see a him make a spectacle of himself wearing his "passionate purple speedo". "They were the days" .....

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PostSubject: Re: CREAM OF THE CROP   March 26th 2017, 3:19 pm

Oh, so you want me to post a photo of me in the "passionate purple" Speedo?
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PostSubject: Re: CREAM OF THE CROP   March 26th 2017, 4:50 pm

affraid....................................................................................... confused

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PostSubject: Re: CREAM OF THE CROP   March 27th 2017, 1:34 pm

@RonC wrote:
Oh, so you want me to post a photo of me in the "passionate purple" Speedo?
Ron

No, no. I think I speak for everyone here. Keep that one for family. Close family. Blood relatives only. 
For the love of all that is holy...
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PostSubject: Re: CREAM OF THE CROP   March 27th 2017, 4:09 pm

Ron in his "passionate purple" Speedo?  headslap thread photos  

This would take pressure off Jon with the Barney shooting earlier this year.   Shooter

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