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PostSubject: ID Rifle Carried   March 14th 2017, 1:43 am

The following pic is of my Great Uncle Howard. 
Can you confirm that the rifle he carries is a M1903? 
Can you add any further information from what you see? 


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PostSubject: Re: ID Rifle Carried   March 14th 2017, 6:41 am

The rifle your Uncle is holding is a US Model 1917 Enfield.  More 1917 Enfield rifles  were used in France in WWI than 1903 Springfield models.
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PostSubject: Re: ID Rifle Carried   March 14th 2017, 10:18 am

Yes Enfield model 1917 made by Remington and Winchester under contract.  Originally it was a British rifle in an experimental cartridge known as the .276 but the British did not want to replace the SMLE in the beginning of WW 1 and boy were they right.  

However as it took time to manufacturer the SMLE they converted the .276 to fire .303 and awarded contracts to Remington and Winchester when the US declared war we were close to 1 million rifles short Rock Island and Springfield armories couldn't make up the shortfall so once again they were converted to 30-06 and as Falcon says more of them went to France than did Springfields.
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PostSubject: Re: ID Rifle Carried   March 14th 2017, 6:11 pm

Fascinating! 

And, that France note sparked a long buried memory of stories around the dining room table. Uncle Howard was deployed in France and I had forgotten I knew that. Great Grandpa was less than sympathetic to his service and sent him an angry note while he was at the front: "Quit fooling around and get your butt back here and tend to the farm!" 

About the rifle, gents, how can you tell? I look and have a tough time telling the difference. 
Here are three of the M1903 types and an Enfield 1917. I was aware of the 1917 because of Sgt York, but confess I can't tell the difference without reading the name off the rifle. 

M1903 Variations


Enfield 1917




PS Wait. Seeing these laid out, I can tell the difference now! Thank you! And, as I listen, I noticed the Remington/Springfield difference. Here are the Springfield M1903s



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PostSubject: Re: ID Rifle Carried   March 14th 2017, 7:34 pm

IMO:  The 1917 Enfield handles like a club compared to the M1903 Springfield.  In the mid 1980s i came into  five  model 1917 Enfield rifles when an American Legion post disbanded.
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PostSubject: Re: ID Rifle Carried   March 14th 2017, 8:39 pm

Wow. Five? 
(Stops to wonder how many arms and eyes falcon has... Wink

I am surprised there is that big a difference in feel.

I have always been interested in the 1917 Enfield because of the Sgt. York movie. 
But now, I need to bump it up higher on my list. Can't wait to hold one now that I know it 
was Uncle Howard's. I have held a 1903 before. 

Uncle Howard actually enjoyed France. Great Grandpa was a task master. The family laughed 
about that for years. It is part of why I was able to remember that from all those years ago when 
you triggered me with France. The picture was a new family discovery.


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PostSubject: Re: ID Rifle Carried   March 15th 2017, 10:04 am

There was also a ton of them manufactured by Eddystone not just Winchester and Remington . I have a eddystone that I sporterized many years ago and rechambered to 300 win mag they have a very strong action .

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PostSubject: Re: ID Rifle Carried   March 15th 2017, 2:36 pm

i had several friends who were WWI veterans.   One was the commander of a machine gun company.  At first they were armed with the Chauchat auto rifle and the Vickers machine gun.   Then the Lewis gun replaced the Chauchat.   Later the Browning model 1917 machine gun replaced the Vickers. 


Jack was gassed with mustard  and phosgene.   He had no toenails or fingernails from the mustard gas exposure.  The nails came out past the quick and stayed soft.  In 1938 they came out with a medication that allowed the nails to grow normally.   Jack was my deer hunting buddy.   He passed away in 1985. 


Then there was my cousin Okey.   Okey was an orphan being raised by his uncle, my grandfather.   Okey was 16 and bad to fight.  My grandfather Told Okey that if he wanted to fight to join the army.  One day granddad sent Okey to the store with five dollars and a grocery list.   Okey came back after WWI was over.  He was in the first shipment of US troops to France.
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PostSubject: Re: ID Rifle Carried   March 15th 2017, 7:10 pm

The biggest difference in the 03 and the 17 is 03 cocks on opening and the 17 cocks on closing the bolt . there are several conversion kits to make the 17 cock on opening .installing the kit speeds up the 17 considerably .

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