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PostSubject: Sig P320 Problem   August 10th 2017, 8:32 pm

If you own or think about owning the Sig P320, you may want to heads up. 
I was alerted to a potential problem by a notice from a dealer I do business with.



"At The Armories, we strive to ensure that all of our customers are comfortable with any firearm they purchase. We would like to make all of our customer aware of the VOLUNTARY UPGRADE Sig Sauer has issued on their popular P320 line of pistols due to the potential of the firearm discharging when dropped. Sig Sauer has issued a statement pertaining to the situation and has plans to release further details on Monday, August 14th. We have placed a link to this topic from Sig Sauers website below for your convenience. 

We have no opinion on the performance of the P320, and to date we haven't recieved any adverse reports on how it functions. However, we have made the decision to suspend sales of this model until our entire inventory has received the upgrade. This may prove to be a timely and expensive process, as we are a Sig Sauer Master Dealer and keep hundreds of their products in stock. But we feel that it is the right thing to do in order to maintain complete transparency with our customers. We will proudly continue to sell all other models of Sig Sauer products in the mean time.

As always, we will be happy to assist our customers with this process and encourage you to email us at INFO@THEARMORIES.COM with any questions or concerns.

Regards, 

The Armories"

I looked further because I thought this was unusual. I am copying a Maxim article out of safety concern, but advise 
you go look at the original which was published on-line 11 hours ago... 

THE ARMY'S NEW HANDGUN IS UNDER FIRE BECAUSE OF TROUBLING SAFETY DEFECTS
Earlier this year, the U.S. Army announced the winner of their Modular Handgun System 
competition to be the Sig Sauer P320, the weapon that would replace the Beretta M9 as 
every soldier's sidearm. 

Now there are alarming concerns that the totally killer new pistol might be unsafe, as online reports claim that the weapon prone to discharge when dropped. 
Two videos have surfaced that exemplify the issue. The first shows the P320 firing when dropped on its base. 
(They show a video link)
Another, from gun store Omaha Outdoors, shows the weapon discharging when dropped on its rear slide assembly.
(They show a video link)

Both videos clearly show the pistols’ trigger travelling rearward under inertia, suggesting that the mass of the trigger when jarred is causing it to move enough to trip the pistol’s sear. 
Omaha Outdoors’ video has racked up 90,000 views in just a day and the retailer has temporarily discontinued sales of the P320. The Truth About Guns have also subsequently replicated the test with similar results.  

The Sig lacks a built in trigger safety like that used by its rival Glock; however, it is worth noting that the MHS -winning XM17 has a frame mounted manual safety which would theoretically prevent accidental drop discharges.  


The P320's issues haven't just been replicated in tests, either. According to Guns.com, Sig Sauer was hit with a $7 million lawsuit filed on August 4 by a Connecticut police officer who was struck in the leg by a stray bullet after he dropped a P320 while loading equipment into a vehicle and it misfired. 

Initially, the gun giant issued a statement asserting its safety. 

On Aug. 4, Sig released a statement responding to the building allegations of P320 drop-test failures, stating, “The P320 meets and exceeds all U.S. standards for safety, including the American National Standards Institute (ANSI) and Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers’ Institute, Inc. (SAAMI), as well as rigorous testing protocols for global military and law enforcement agencies.”  


But, as Task and Purpose notes, the company now appears to have walked back their original stance. 


It seems that the weight of opinion has pushed Sig Sauer to acknowledge there is a problem with the P320. On Aug. 8, the company announced a voluntary upgrade program for the P320’s trigger. 

While Sig have not outlined what the modification will be yet; their most recent press release claimsthat details of this program on Aug. 14. The statement goes on to reaffirm that the P320 passed the ANSI and SAAMI tests and stresses that the unintentional discharges only occur when the P320 is dropped “beyond US standards for safety.”  

Sig was keen to emphasize that “The M17 variant of the P320, selected by the U.S. government as the U.S. Army’s Modular Handgun System (MHS), is not affected by the Voluntary Upgrade.” It seems likely that the upgrade will be incorporated into pistols destined for the U.S. military.  


Hopefully Sig can figure all of this out soon, seeing as the U.S. Army awarded them a $580 million contract for developing the P320. - Maxim


Me again...
I am a Sig owner, but not the P320. I have a lot of faith in SIG. I am disappointed in hearing about this problem. 
So far, the bad news seems limited to the P320. And there is more.

Glock filed an official protest/challenge to the Army's contract to Sig. This was dismissed, but one of the grounds of the challenge 
was that the Army "failed to complete reliability testing." Additionally, Sig was sued for patent infringement on the P320 
by Steyr. This does not seem a happy firearm. I am concerned that this is the Army standard issue side arm. (quote was from 
Task & Purpose)

Sigs were standard issue for Navy SEALS and for NCIS... How did the Army's gun get so messy?

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PostSubject: Re: Sig P320 Problem   August 11th 2017, 7:39 am

"however, it is worth noting that the MHS -winning XM17 has a frame mounted manual safety which would theoretically prevent accidental drop discharges."  

Everything has to be idiot-proof nowadays. What do they think the "safety" is for? The name should be self-explanatory. 
However, they should correct the problem if they expect to have their product to be used by the armed forces of any country.

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PostSubject: Re: Sig P320 Problem   August 11th 2017, 8:09 am

The Sig 230 selected by the US military does not "go off" when dropped.  

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/08/09/mhs-m17-already-fixed-p320-drop-failure-issue-voluntary-upgrade-pistols-will-receive-mhs-triggers/
 

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In Tuohy's video, he noted that of the several 320s he tested the only handgun that would not go off if dropped was the one with the lighter trigger pull. Interestingly, M17 pistols destined for military use reportedly already have this new, improved, lighter trigger.



https://www.yahoo.com/news/handgun-chosen-u-army-goes-153203607.html




Yep, the US military adopted another handgun made by a foreign company.   i remember following the whining and caterwauling after the US military adopted the Beretta in the 1980s.
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PostSubject: Re: Sig P320 Problem   August 14th 2017, 7:31 pm

My neighbor is a retired Navy Officer, now working for NCIS and NSA checking contractors security issues. The Navy has used Sigs for the 25 years he was in under water demo, needless to say he eats and sleeps Sig Sauer anything. I asked him about the P320 and the issues seen in these reports.  He said his Sig P230 had the trigger replacement 2 years ago and thought most of his co harts had theirs done at the same time.

This like the Remington 700 problem with their trigger on newer guns going off ????

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