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PostSubject: BH-209 and Apex   December 24th 2010, 7:40 am

Is anyone having problems using BH-209 and Apex? I was getting a lot of miss fires and called Blackhorn and they said that the breech plug on the Apex was too long and needed to be modified. I was using Winchester 209 primers and they said to switch to cci magnum.
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PostSubject: Re: BH-209 and Apex   December 24th 2010, 8:30 am

FG will come on here and tell you what to do. The cci m will help, and sometimes you have to drill the BP.

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PostSubject: Re: BH-209 and Apex   December 24th 2010, 8:53 am

we didnt have any trouble with cci 209m primers but when using W209 primers 'winchester"s we'd get a pop/hiss. I used a #65 drill bit an enlarged the flash hole to .035" No trouble after that. Been a solid shooter for us.

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PostSubject: Re: BH-209 and Apex   December 24th 2010, 5:09 pm

I must be the odd man out. I'm not having any mis-fires or no-fires with BH209 and CCI209M primers in my Apex .45 cal. with an unmodified BP.
I did have one horrible no-fire when switching from Black Mag XP to Black Horn 209. I cleaned the breech plug in one of those little tubes of breech plug cleaner that you use for all of the other powders. At the range with BH209 I fired three primers through the unloaded barrel and then loaded it. After fireing several more primers. I removed the breech plug to unload it and the powder looked wet and clumpy. I guess the breech plug was really wet even though I thought I dried it.
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PostSubject: Re: BH-209 and Apex   December 24th 2010, 5:35 pm

That reminds me, Get either a 3mm or a #32 drill bit to clean out the carbon build up in the plugs flash channel.

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PostSubject: Re: BH-209 and Apex   December 26th 2010, 11:13 am

Thanks for the information. When i switched back to the tripple 7 i shot a touching clover leaf at 80 yards. Best i ever shot. i really like the the BH 209 though. i am going to keep experminting with different loads and see if i can get my groups tighter.
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PostSubject: Re: BH-209 and Apex   December 26th 2010, 11:43 am

What bullets are you shooting?

Ours loved the 300gr powerbelt platinum with 100gr blackhorn209.

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PostSubject: Re: BH-209 and Apex   December 26th 2010, 7:00 pm

My best groups have been with CVA slickloads 300 gr. Next is Hornady SST Low drag 300 gr. I have tried the Powerbelts in 245 gr. and Platnum 270 gr. and 80 to 95 gr. BH. Also the CVA Slickloads in 250 gr. shot well. By the way I am shooting .50 cal.
95 gr. of BH seems to work best.
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PostSubject: Re: BH-209 and Apex   December 28th 2010, 7:15 am

wildturkey wrote:
Is anyone having problems using BH-209 and Apex? I was getting a lot of miss fires and called Blackhorn and they said that the breech plug on the Apex was too long and needed to be modified. I was using Winchester 209 primers and they said to switch to cci magnum.
Thanks for any onfo.
What i did to my QRBP is create a 'powder pocket' in the powder end, by installing a vent liner. This makes for 100% reliable ignition of BH thus far. It not only makes for perfect BH ignition, it also makes for easier cleaning. One doesn't need to 'shorten' the QRBP to make it work perfectly. What is needed, is to create a 'powder pocket' like the BH reliable TC plugs have.

Also, i have replaced the breech plug of my pre-2010 Accura, with a home made breech plug, that is 100% reliable with BH. This plug is nearly a dead ringer of the Omega breech plug, which the folks at Miles City say is the best plug out there for use with BH209.
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PostSubject: Re: BH-209 and Apex   December 28th 2010, 6:09 pm

With BH-209 my .45 Knight shot the best with 100-110 grs. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: BH-209 and Apex   December 29th 2010, 4:08 am

Ron,
What is a Vent Liner, and where do I get one?
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PostSubject: Re: BH-209 and Apex   December 29th 2010, 6:03 am

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Ron,
What is a Vent Liner, and where do I get one?

http://lehighbullets.com/products.asp?cat=25

Check out the 'QRBP for Accura' thread in the muzzle loading section of this forum. Frozentundra has posted this picture of the plug(s), and the vent liner, and the QRBP fitting tool. Note the powder pocket in the plug on the right. This is what makes it work with BH. The vent liner is needed to provide a flash hole, because the OEM flash hole has been destroyed by drilling.









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PostSubject: Re: BH-209 and Apex   December 29th 2010, 8:25 am

I'm surprised this made it on to this forum.

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PostSubject: Re: BH-209 and Apex   December 29th 2010, 11:58 am

Its fine, i wanted Rons services on here in the first place lol!

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PostSubject: Re: BH-209 and Apex   December 29th 2010, 10:37 pm

Thanks for the post!
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PostSubject: Re: BH-209 and Apex   January 4th 2011, 4:03 pm

OK, Frontier,
If I drill out the flash hole out to .035'' and get a # 32 or 3mm drill bit to clean it out I should be good to go with the magnum primers and BH-209.

How will it affect using 777, or will it?

I am afraid to try what Ron did because would probably screw it up. Not very good at modifying stuff like that.

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PostSubject: Re: BH-209 and Apex   January 4th 2011, 4:07 pm

Yep if you enlarge the flash hole and clean the channel out every few shots, you can should be good to go. Even the Winchester W209s may work good after that. But i do prefer the magnums.

It wont affect 777 or any other powders.

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PostSubject: Re: BH-209 and Apex   January 4th 2011, 4:20 pm

Colorado wrote:
I'm surprised this made it on to this forum.
what surprises you about this information being poasted on this forum?
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PostSubject: Re: BH-209 and Apex   January 4th 2011, 8:08 pm

muzzlenut wrote:
"I must be the odd man out. I'm not having any mis-fires or no-fires with BH209 and CCI209M primers in my Apex .45 cal. with an unmodified BP...
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Like muzzlenut I also have the CVA Apex in .45, and have yet to have any mis-fires using BH209, CCI 209M Primers and the QRBP without any modification(enlargement) to its factory flash hole diameter. I have not yet tried other primers with the QRBP, but plan to when I eventually get back out to the range.






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PostSubject: Re: BH-209 and Apex   January 4th 2011, 10:49 pm

I tried the CCI 209 magnum and still wouldn't torch it off. I am fixing to do me some drilling!
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PostSubject: Re: BH-209 and Apex   January 5th 2011, 12:44 am

Use a tighter fitting bullet/sabot. Harvester smooth sabots seem to work well in CVA bores using .451 or .452 bullets. Seat the bullet/sabot hard on the powder charge. If you can push the round down the bore with very little effort its too loose and you need to switch sabots.

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PostSubject: Re: BH-209 and Apex   January 5th 2011, 5:29 am

wildturkey wrote:
I tried the CCI 209 magnum and still wouldn't torch it off. I am fixing to do me some drilling!

Shocked scratch ...

p.s. wildturkey....I'd have a spare QRBP before I'd do any drilling on my Apex plug. I'd like to have an extra QRBP for my Apex but don't know how available they are yet.
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PostSubject: Re: BH-209 and Apex   January 5th 2011, 6:27 am

Word on the street is the QRBP is $20.00 shipped from CVA.
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PostSubject: Re: BH-209 and Apex   January 5th 2011, 7:01 am


I have tried a lot of different bullets, and unless the barrel is pretty dirty, they all go down pretty easy. I will pay more attention to that aspect.

You are right Marty, I better get an extra plug before I start drilling given the fact I usually screw something up at least once. Dang,I really want to shoot the BH 209.
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PostSubject: Re: BH-209 and Apex   January 5th 2011, 7:23 am

The Hornady and Slickloads are going to be loose. See if you can find some .452 250gr XTP pistol bullets. They come 100 to a box. Match them up with Harvester smooth sabots for bullets under 300grains. They should load with some resistance. Another option is Hornady .458 325gr FTX in a Harvester black crushed rib sabot. In my experience BH209 favors heavy bullets in my Pro Hunter w/ Bergara barrel. Harvester 300gr Scorpion PT's in a Harvester smooth sabot is one of my favorite loads to shoot with 100-110gr BH209.
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