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PostSubject: Got out with the 58!   April 22nd 2013, 1:27 pm

Windy or not, thank god for the wind though! Its in the high 70's but with the wind, it feels only 72 Laughing

The 562 ball with .020 patch has a limit of 100 grains. Any more and it opened up to 6" @ 100 yards.

Switched to the 570 ball and finally figured out where to adjust my rear sight to, on the 3rd notch. Going to clean the bore and let it cool down for a good 20 minutes. Those loads really heat up the barrel extremely fast, especially in this heat today.
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PostSubject: Re: Got out with the 58!   April 22nd 2013, 1:31 pm

I've noticed with the .54 and balls that they also like loads in the 90-120 gr range
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PostSubject: Re: Got out with the 58!   April 22nd 2013, 1:41 pm

Don't complain. It's snowing here and windy.

I need to mention something about loads that's been tucked away in my pea brain. I read a book by Sam Fadala a few years ago, and he was talking about working up a load. Most believe that when you start to lose accuracy you have found the limit of the gun. He didn't agree with that. He said that there's a gap between accurate loads.

As an example. You start with 70g and keep adding powder until you lose accuracy. That might be 100gr. Sam said that most guys stop there, but if you keep going the accuracy will come back at a higher load. Maybe at 130gr it becomes accurate again. I never tried it, because recoil get ugly. Sam shoots between 175-200 gr of powder. He never talks about exceeding load limits manufacturers put on guns.

Something to think about.

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PostSubject: Re: Got out with the 58!   April 22nd 2013, 2:36 pm

Pete my new toy will use 160 gr as a starting load and around 250 gr as a max load. The 8 bore use 200 gr to start with.
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PostSubject: Re: Got out with the 58!   April 22nd 2013, 2:50 pm

Yes, but Sam was talking about .54 cal guns. He uses gr of powder equal to the weight of the round ball. Up to a certain caliber, because it gets ridiculous with the bigger bores.

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PostSubject: Re: Got out with the 58!   April 23rd 2013, 10:11 am

If you have an accurate load with 70-90 gr. of powder, it seems senseless to waste more powder and punish your shoulder by continuing to increase the load. But I'm recoil (and money) sensitive.

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PostSubject: Re: Got out with the 58!   April 23rd 2013, 11:26 am

Weight of powder equal to weight of ball.....OUCH !With the 8 bore that will be around 900 -1000 gr of powder , might be fun touching that off !
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PostSubject: Re: Got out with the 58!   April 23rd 2013, 11:49 am

That's why I said it doesn't apply to the bigger bores. He stops at .54 cal.

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PostSubject: Re: Got out with the 58!   April 23rd 2013, 1:03 pm

But even with the .54 you're looking at 230 gr !
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PostSubject: Re: Got out with the 58!   April 23rd 2013, 1:37 pm

That's what he said.

btw..It's 225 gr.

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PostSubject: Re: Got out with the 58!   April 23rd 2013, 5:35 pm

Ive heard that guy was mostly FOS and ruined a lot of barrels by using his theory. I'd have to guy the book and take a look at it myself to rule on that.
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PostSubject: Re: Got out with the 58!   April 25th 2013, 9:42 am

Highest load i've ever used in my .54 Hawken (1:60) was 160gr and that gave a healthy slap with that curved butt plate.... Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Got out with the 58!   April 30th 2013, 2:11 pm

I just stopped by the "Track of the Wolf" store today. I needed to get equipped to shoot my .58 Call Flintlock. I dropped $70.00 so I can now shoot that bad boy. They were out of the Hornady round balls so I bought 50 of their hand cast round balls. I weighed a few and they averaged 276 grains. I'm going to "start" out with 70 grains of the Pyrodex P and see what that does. Hope to get to the range this week.

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PostSubject: Re: Got out with the 58!   April 30th 2013, 2:27 pm

Does it shoot well with Pyro? Flintlocks usually have a hard time with it, and want real BP.

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PostSubject: Re: Got out with the 58!   April 30th 2013, 2:40 pm

I don't know Muley, I've never shot a flintlock. Pyro RS and Pyro P is what I have on hand. I did buy some GOEX black powder FFFFG to prime the pan. If you are recommending I go back and get some real black powder I will. 2F? or 3F?

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PostSubject: Re: Got out with the 58!   April 30th 2013, 2:42 pm

3F Goex will work better. The Pyro will have a longer delay than real black on ignition. If it fires at all. Just depends on the lock.

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PostSubject: Re: Got out with the 58!   April 30th 2013, 2:46 pm

OK thanks, I'll get some 3F.

I'm open for advice. At my age I don't need to learn everything the hard way anymore! Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Got out with the 58!   April 30th 2013, 2:53 pm

Get the 3F, and compare it to the Pyro. Then you'll understand the difference better.

Flintlocks are picky. Keep the flint sharp, keep the touch hole clear, keep the powder dry, find what the gun likes as far as priming the pan, and when you get it all working right. Repeat everything exactly the same everytime.

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PostSubject: Re: Got out with the 58!   April 30th 2013, 11:23 pm

Flinty's are great fun to shoot . I'll get some 2f as well just in case the .58 does'nt like the 3f.
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PostSubject: Re: Got out with the 58!   May 1st 2013, 9:18 am

3F will ignite quicker, and have less fouling. Better for a flintlock.

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PostSubject: Re: Got out with the 58!   May 1st 2013, 11:51 am

Pete i went to the range today and was shooting my 1:76 twist .54 , think i have to agree with Jon on Sam being FOS.

I used loads up to 150 gr BP but after 130gr 2F Wano the velocity stopped rising. A change from 120 - 130 gr netted a 106 fps increase but from 130 - 140 gr only 6 fps.

So i think he was wasting powder like mad .
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PostSubject: Re: Got out with the 58!   May 1st 2013, 12:26 pm

I have no idea. I was too afraid to go that far past what the manufacture recommended as the max load.

Besides, 80 gr of Swiss killed an elk with a PRB, so why bother?

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PostSubject: Re: Got out with the 58!   May 2nd 2013, 10:07 am

It's a custom gun that's rated for 150 gr but imo it's silly to use that much when 120gr will give nearly the same velocity.
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PostSubject: Re: Got out with the 58!   May 2nd 2013, 10:15 am

He never mentioned the loads being safe or not. He never talks about the guns used either.

He did talk about a hunter killing an elephant though. I remember it was a 600 gr conical, and some stupid amount of powder. It must have kicked like two mules.

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PostSubject: Re: Got out with the 58!   May 2nd 2013, 10:25 am

Yeah a 600 gr'er does give a healthy push Smile
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