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PostSubject: 6.5x50 Arisaka   August 15th 2013, 2:58 pm

I will be heading to Texas to hunt some meat hogs for the freezer.   I already have a 7.7mm Arisaka rifle my F-I-L gave me, so when a friend offered me a chance at a 6.5 version- well.   I am picking up a sporterized 6.5 Arisaka rifle  tomorrow.  Ammo has been hard to find and the brass is expensive (about $1.65 per- JUST FOR THE BRASS), but a local place had some FMJ ammo.  I plan to use the FMJ, then reload the brass.  While in Texas I may even try the 6.5 out on a hog or two.  With FMJ I will be taking head shots.
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PostSubject: Re: 6.5x50 Arisaka   August 15th 2013, 5:12 pm

Give 'em a headache Professor!

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PostSubject: Re: 6.5x50 Arisaka   August 15th 2013, 5:20 pm

good accurate gun. I remember some years ago at the Whittington Center a guy asked my brother in law and I to give it a try. Not sure if he couldnt shoot for damn but when I put my shot within 1 1/2" of the bulls eye and just of just had a laugh like.. huh, SOB.  LOL.
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PostSubject: Re: 6.5x50 Arisaka   August 15th 2013, 8:20 pm

nuprofessor: I hope those FMJs aren't Berdan-primed. A lot of FMJs in that caliber are military issue and foreign made. Also a possibility for having corrosive primers.

I got stuck with 1000 ".308s" made in China with corrosive Berdan primers. I finally "donated" them to a guy with a selective-fire M-14 in exchange for some work. He shot them up in a weekend. Shooter

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PostSubject: Re: 6.5x50 Arisaka   August 15th 2013, 8:36 pm

I would have freakin bought those 308's!
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PostSubject: Re: 6.5x50 Arisaka   August 15th 2013, 9:52 pm

Can't recall the exact name brand- PRECISION something (yellow and black box).  It is remanufactured ammo and if I remember correctly there is no warnings on the box about corrosive or Berdan primed & is uncrimped boxer primed (have it packed away with my stuff out in the garage).
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PostSubject: Re: 6.5x50 Arisaka   August 16th 2013, 7:44 am

I.ve got a 6,5x58 Portuguese Mauser and can tell you first hand that them 6,5's are exceptionally accurate:)
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PostSubject: Re: 6.5x50 Arisaka   August 16th 2013, 8:21 am

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I would have freakin bought those 308's!
I wish I'd have known that 2 years ago. The shipping would have been a bugger though. Two boxes of 500 each weigh a LOT!!
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PostSubject: Re: 6.5x50 Arisaka   August 16th 2013, 10:57 am

oh i know it but its well worth it now. I have a 308 semiauto that hasnt been fed a single bullet in at least 3 years.
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PostSubject: Re: 6.5x50 Arisaka   November 23rd 2013, 9:35 pm

Rifle had some minor issues.  Mainly I could not get the safety to engage properly.  Took it to a gunsmith that found when the previous owner had the bolt handle changed from straight to bent, the weld was placed too low (action lugs would not engage).  Had it redone along with polishing the chamber.  Still needs the crown redone (said metal cleaning rod made it slightly oval), but gunsmith did not have a 6.5mm centering bit.  Still shoots pretty accurate at 100 yards (3" group w/ iron sites), but at 200 fliers everywhere (can't even call it 'groups')- 24" square target w/ 48" backer and as much as 26" between shots.  Gunsmith told me that would probably be the case.  He has a centering bit on order- said it should be here just before Christmas.  Also bought a 4x12x40 scope for it.
Now to find ammo at reasonable price.  Bought some 140gr FMG to mess around with (saving brass) then planning to reload 129gr SST.
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PostSubject: Re: 6.5x50 Arisaka   March 12th 2014, 7:51 pm

Consider having it rebarreled?  Any .308 or #X57 based cartridge will fit really nicely in that action.  I have one in .308 and another in 6.5-257 Roberts improved.  Timney is selling triggers again with Remington style safeties so you could bypass the factory safety if you like.

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PostSubject: Re: 6.5x50 Arisaka   March 13th 2014, 9:44 am

Archie sometimes half the fun of shooting the old ladies is making up ammo for them , most all my CF rifles are on the obsolete list.
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PostSubject: Re: 6.5x50 Arisaka   March 13th 2014, 5:20 pm

@Spitfire wrote:
Archie sometimes half the fun of shooting the old ladies is making up ammo for them , most all my CF rifles are on the obsolete list.
Any favorite old ladies Question
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PostSubject: Re: 6.5x50 Arisaka   March 14th 2014, 4:19 am

Marty the 577/450 Martini Henry , 450 no 2 , 45-70 ,  .577 Snider Enfield of which I have three variants , 6.5x58 Port Mauser and the .310 Rook are just some of my favourites.
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PostSubject: Re: 6.5x50 Arisaka   March 14th 2014, 12:20 pm

Only in Africa would someone have a  cherry  450  cherry  lying around...and brave enough to use it. Laughing 

Now I'm curoious about the 450.  Double or single, and what load have you settled on...particularly the powder  Question
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PostSubject: Re: 6.5x50 Arisaka   March 14th 2014, 1:45 pm

Both the 450's are single shot Martini rifles and I use 100gr 2F Wano (Grafs) with a .448 (PP to .462) 480gr lead bullet in the .577/.450 .

 The .450 no 2 use 80gr 2F Wano with the same bullet PP to .460
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PostSubject: Re: 6.5x50 Arisaka   March 15th 2014, 11:12 am

@Spitfire wrote:
Archie sometimes half the fun of shooting the old ladies is making up ammo for them , most all my CF rifles are on the obsolete list.

Correct-a-mundo sir!  I have been loonie for pre-WWI military rifles for as long as I can remember.  Locating or even handcrafting hard to find cartridge cases is one of the most rewarding experiences of gun ownership IMNSHO.  The Martini action has been on my mind lately.  I would love to find an orphaned donor action to build a sporter on.  I have done the same on Mausers, Springfield 03's & 17's, #3 & P14 Enfields and recently the 1884 Springfield trapdoor.  With that being said I would never destroy a complete rifle, that would just be so wrong.

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PostSubject: Re: 6.5x50 Arisaka   March 15th 2014, 11:41 am

Yep I agree with you fully on destroying good rifles.....sacrilege !

I'm in the process of barrelling a  Mk 2 Enfield to 45-70 , should also be a blast to shoot.
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PostSubject: Re: 6.5x50 Arisaka   March 16th 2014, 8:39 am

I love the idea of the .45-70 on that action.  Are there feeding issues with magazines and feed rails?

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PostSubject: Re: 6.5x50 Arisaka   March 16th 2014, 9:10 am

Not a lot , the .45-70 and .303 have nearly the same rim diameter. Had to modify the feed ramp and mag follower to accept the .45-70 though.
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PostSubject: Re: 6.5x50 Arisaka   March 16th 2014, 9:36 am

"Had to modify the feed ramp and mag follower to accept the .45-70 though."

That's what I mean, is it an extensive modification? I have seen the Siamese Mausers rebarreled for the .45-70  cheers and there are feeding issues there also.  Nothing insurmountable or overly complicated.

In regards to the No.4 MKII Enfield action, are there pressure limitations?

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PostSubject: Re: 6.5x50 Arisaka   March 16th 2014, 11:14 am

The No4 Mk2 can take a lot more pressure than the rest of the Lee actions ,don't know the pressure limit though.  We use the No4 and P14 or P17's when building to take the .303 Epps Improved cartridge.
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PostSubject: Re: 6.5x50 Arisaka   March 16th 2014, 7:01 pm

I have had a few P14's that I thought about reaming to the improved Epps case but sold them for a profit before doing it.  I think the .303 is one of the best cartridges to improve because the velocity potential and the long throats of the Enfields allows for seating the bullets out further.

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PostSubject: Re: 6.5x50 Arisaka   March 17th 2014, 3:48 am

You're right , by turning the .303 into an Epps Improved you can nearly duplicate .300 H&H Mag ballistics with hot handloads.

The P14 action we use for most any big bore calibre , but they take a heck of a lot of reworking to make them look nice but they are very strong.
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PostSubject: Re: 6.5x50 Arisaka   March 17th 2014, 8:26 am

They do take a lot of work and I think that is the main reason I hesitated to sporterize them.  I put a 1917 Springfield magazine box in one and that gave me even more room to extend OAL.  When my machinist gunsmith started taking about costs of rebarreling and milling ears etc. that was enough to prompt the sale.  If a guy wants a truly big bore bolt gun from a surplus rifle action that is the way to go.

Speaking of Arisaka's, those little gems take a bit of extra machine work to rebarrel also.  All the younger smiths around here want a premium to do the job.  I ran into an older guy who had done hundreds of them back in the 1950's and 1960's and he did two for me for a very reasonable cost.  He did a .308 win and a 6.5-257 Roberts improved (6.5x57 imp) for me both on type 38 actions.

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