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PostSubject: Lyman, shocked by what I got   November 6th 2013, 7:11 pm

I have a Lyman deerstalker and really like it. I ordered a GPR left handed percussion and got it today. When I pulled it out of the box  I immediately noticed 3 of the 4 screws securing the ramrod holder to the barrel were missing and the piece was flopping around. When I went to put the barrel in place it wouldn't sit in the stock properly.  I noticed the snail, the piece the nipple screws into did not fit into the cutout on the lock assembly. The snail was sitting on the forward edge of the cut out. I did some quick checks and was sure I was laying the barrel in there properly. I bought the gun thru midsouth shooters supply. I contacted them and they immediately sent me a shipping label for a return and replacement. I was shocked to get this from Lyman I even asked midsouth if this was a previous return.  I suppose this happens every now and then.
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PostSubject: Re: Lyman, shocked by what I got   November 6th 2013, 7:21 pm

Man that blows. In today's economy American companies need to standout for quality and value or they will be replaced by imports. I hope this was an isolated incident, not the norm! 

What are you a flight engineer on? In my military days I was a C5 FE.

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PostSubject: Re: Lyman, shocked by what I got   November 6th 2013, 7:26 pm

That's not normal. I've bought 3 GPR's, and they were all perfect. I think you're right about getting a returned gun.

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PostSubject: Re: Lyman, shocked by what I got   November 6th 2013, 7:30 pm

@MLN1963 wrote:
Man that blows. In today economy American companies need to standout for quality and value or they will be replaced by imports. I hope this was an isolated incident, not the norm! 

What are you a flight engineer on? In my military days I was a C5 FE.
Mark ,
I was a flight engineer on the mighty P-3 Orion. Retired after 30 yrs in the Navy. I do love the Orion! C-5 now that an awesome plane.
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PostSubject: Re: Lyman, shocked by what I got   November 6th 2013, 7:39 pm

30 years? You make me feel like a quitter with only 23 years in! Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Lyman, shocked by what I got   November 6th 2013, 8:04 pm

Sadly, I am seeing this quite often on the traditional forum I am a member of. I don't know what the hell their "lyman" problem is lately.

Hopefully midway will take care of you and send you a good one.
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PostSubject: Re: Lyman, shocked by what I got   November 6th 2013, 10:11 pm

Sound like they've got a quality control problem.
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PostSubject: Re: Lyman, shocked by what I got   November 7th 2013, 3:38 am

Lyman has sucked for several years now .. at least as far as backing their products is concerned.
I bought a reloading die set that would not resize to spec. Everything was too large to chamber. They ignored all my requests for a fix. No response at all. I have read the same on reloading forums. Evil or Very Mad

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PostSubject: Re: Lyman, shocked by what I got   November 7th 2013, 4:05 am

@patocazador wrote:
Lyman has sucked for several years now .. at least as far as backing their products is concerned.
I bought a reloading die set that would not resize to spec. Everything was too large to chamber. They ignored all my requests for a fix. No response at all. I have read the same on reloading forums. Evil or Very Mad
Thank you. You just saved me from buying Lyman reloading dies! I'll stick to RCBS or Lee then.

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PostSubject: Re: Lyman, shocked by what I got   November 7th 2013, 4:24 am

Nothing wrong with either RCBS or Lee , I use them both.
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PostSubject: Re: Lyman, shocked by what I got   November 7th 2013, 8:40 am

Some of Lyman's bullet casting stuff is made in China. Not sure where their guns are made.

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PostSubject: Re: Lyman, shocked by what I got   November 7th 2013, 8:46 am

Far as I know the guns was made in Italy
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PostSubject: Re: Lyman, shocked by what I got   November 8th 2013, 8:29 am

@MLN1963 wrote:
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Thank you. You just saved me from buying Lyman reloading dies! I'll stick to RCBS or Lee then.
I now use RCBS or Redding dies only. They are a bit more expensive but they are made very well.

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PostSubject: Re: Lyman, shocked by what I got   November 8th 2013, 9:39 am

Funny that Lyman allow this shoddy workmanship to slip through because in the end they will be losing money as no one will buy their products scratch
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PostSubject: Re: Lyman, shocked by what I got   February 22nd 2014, 6:39 am

Well, I'm sending a GPR back on Monday. The description, and pictures state that it is made, in Italy, with European walnut. What I got was a very rough piece of mahogany. Not even good mahogany.
 Lyman says they have no control over what gets picked in Italy. But in the end, I have control over what's in my gun racks.
 How's that for a first post on this site? I had to join just to warn everyone else what's going on.
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PostSubject: Re: Lyman, shocked by what I got   February 22nd 2014, 7:26 am

If they take one's money they owe it to you to open the damn box and see what they're selling you are of good quality and if they don't they should be hung from their [email=b@lls]b@lls[/email] from the highest tree you can find Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: Lyman, shocked by what I got   February 25th 2014, 9:45 pm

@falcon wrote:
Some of Lyman's bullet casting stuff is made in China.  Not sure where their guns are made.  

The guns are made by an Italian company by the name of Investarms.  They make BP guns for Dixie Gunworks, Sile, and Lyman. 

If you look closely, the guns are exactly the same, with minor changes, sort of like when GM made the Chevy Geo, when in reality it was a Toyota Corolla, with a slight body and light design differences.

Usually, the quality of Investarms products are excellent.  They supply most of the BP rifles used in Europe.
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PostSubject: Re: Lyman, shocked by what I got   February 27th 2014, 7:08 pm

My Lyman's Deerstalker is just over a year old, and I had to do minor fitting to get it to sit in the stock properly, which isn't a big deal.

But I've had a problem now with a screw that holds a barrel on coming loose. My screwdriver set (Chapman detachable set) doesn't reach down in there so I used a common screwdriver. It came loose again so I'll try locktite. 

Other than that I really like my rifle.
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PostSubject: Re: Lyman, shocked by what I got   February 27th 2014, 7:13 pm

Rodwha, pretty common thing, bed the tang and put a little down in the hole, just make sure to add release agent to the screw threads so its not stuck for good.
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PostSubject: Re: Lyman, shocked by what I got   February 27th 2014, 7:26 pm

I hate to say it, because I love the GPR, but...................TC made a better sidelock.

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PostSubject: Re: Lyman, shocked by what I got   February 28th 2014, 10:01 am

Gander: I must profess my ignorance. Can you describe a little more what it is you speak of?
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PostSubject: Re: Lyman, shocked by what I got   February 28th 2014, 10:16 am

Yeah Pete some guns are made with more care.
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PostSubject: Re: Lyman, shocked by what I got   November 6th 2014, 5:31 pm

IMHO, what you ordered was a "kit".
That requires work & fitting. Lyman does not knock off $100 just so anyone can use a screwdriver. All the sanding, shaping & fitting is on the customer.
I read so many of these complaints in the forums, & don't understand, unless the people are new to the sport & the idea of a "kit".
I hope things work out well, as this is a vey fine production gun.
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PostSubject: Re: Lyman, shocked by what I got   March 22nd 2015, 11:29 am

Follow up: My replacement kit came with a great walnut stock. Took the time to get it perfect. Took the time to sight it in to hit nickels at 80 yards. Proud to hang it on the wall.
 My problem with them was for the one stock in the first box, nothing else.
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PostSubject: Re: Lyman, shocked by what I got   March 22nd 2015, 12:05 pm

Thanks for the follow up on it, and sounds like you have a shooter there.

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