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PostSubject: ..... MLN1963, FALCON, SPITFIRE   November 14th 2013, 4:33 pm

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New front blade arrived today from BROWNELLS. It cost me $18.00 with S/H Rolling Eyes This one is approx. 1/8th" higher the one on the rifle. Hope this does the trick because I don't know if there is one taller out there. This is the biggest that Brownells and Buffalo Arms had. Do I just knock the other one out with a hammer and slide this one in or is there a trick to it Question 
Thanks for the tip on the front site cheers 

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PostSubject: Re: ..... MLN1963, FALCON, SPITFIRE   November 14th 2013, 5:41 pm

That's all you do Ray. Use a brass punch, and remove it from left to right looking from the rear of the gun. Install from right to left.

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PostSubject: Re: ..... MLN1963, FALCON, SPITFIRE   November 14th 2013, 5:59 pm

yep very easy to drift out!
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PostSubject: Re: ..... MLN1963, FALCON, SPITFIRE   November 14th 2013, 6:17 pm

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New front blade arrived today from BROWNELLS. It cost me $18.00 with S/H This one is approx. 1/8th" higher the one on the rifle.
It will work fine.

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PostSubject: Re: ..... MLN1963, FALCON, SPITFIRE   November 14th 2013, 6:25 pm

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Pete, I don't have a brass punch. Will a regular hammer work Question

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PostSubject: Re: ..... MLN1963, FALCON, SPITFIRE   November 14th 2013, 6:46 pm

Not sure how just a hammer will work? You need to tap it out on it's base. The brass punch is so you won't mark it up. Your choice though.

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PostSubject: Re: ..... MLN1963, FALCON, SPITFIRE   November 14th 2013, 10:43 pm

Suppose you can use a 4 lbs. hammer and cold chisel as well Ray....:Hide Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: ..... MLN1963, FALCON, SPITFIRE   November 15th 2013, 9:11 am

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Do you have a Harbor Freight or Sears near you? They will have brass punches. Autozone, O'Rielly's or other automotive places may have them. Another option is aluminum, nylon or other hard plastic punch. It doesn't have to be brass as long as you can get the sight moving. 

Be VERY careful with anything other than non-marring punches like brass, aluminum or nylon. Yes, you can use them, but they may damage your barrel or sight. The brass or nylon will deform and take the punishment where a steel punch won't.

You could always have a gun shop do it. Slide in and buy something and ask them to do it. They may be very cheap. 

There are videos on Youtube if you need help.

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PostSubject: Re: ..... MLN1963, FALCON, SPITFIRE   November 15th 2013, 9:17 am

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Thanks Mark cheers I'll check them out Exclamation Exclamation Exclamation 

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PostSubject: Re: ..... MLN1963, FALCON, SPITFIRE   November 15th 2013, 9:32 am

This link is for pistols but the concept is the same. It also goes into fitting the sight if it doesn't fit. There are lots of good tips in this video that may help you if things don't go as planned. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do8sHBDfIGk

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PostSubject: Re: ..... MLN1963, FALCON, SPITFIRE   November 15th 2013, 6:18 pm

Thanks Mark. Very interesting to say the least. I went to Pep Boys, Auto Zone, Car Quest and Home Depot,  no brass punch's. Only thing they had that they wanted to sell me had points on them. I'll keep looking.

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PostSubject: Re: ..... MLN1963, FALCON, SPITFIRE   November 15th 2013, 6:25 pm

This is what I use Ray. I bought it years ago, and it's come in handy for lots of things.


http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartDetail.aspx/1041/1/TOOL-KEY-B

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PostSubject: Re: ..... MLN1963, FALCON, SPITFIRE   November 15th 2013, 6:57 pm

Home Depot should have them.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-3-8-in-Brass-Punch-4BP10/203580858#.UobQIKU2vKE

Here is an idea that may work. Go to a plumbing store and buy a brass nipple or two. Use a hammer or vice and flatten one end. Bingo, a drift punch.

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PostSubject: Re: ..... MLN1963, FALCON, SPITFIRE   November 16th 2013, 5:02 pm

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Mark, thanks for all the help but let me tell you about today. I went to the range to check my scope at the 130 yard bench and that came out fine. I'm 1" low at 130. My MR is zeroed for 100..
While at the range I asked a few shooters if they had a brass punch and you guessed it. Well we tried and tried to get that front sight out but no luck. Only thing that was happening was that the brass punch was bending. With all that pounding I shot it an it never moved from dead center but at 50 yards I was able to shoot a Birch wood Casey deer target and keep them in the heart, lungs and liver.
I am going to call the HD close to my house in a few and if they have one I'll get it tomorrow.

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Mark,
I just contacted the H/D by my house and they explained they don't carry Klein Tools in the store. That's why I got a no when I stopped there but I can order it and have it delivered to my house or pick it up at the store. I am going to order the 3/8's and have it for the next time.
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PostSubject: Re: ..... MLN1963, FALCON, SPITFIRE   November 16th 2013, 5:43 pm

Were you trying to knock it out towards the right side? (looking from the rear)

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PostSubject: Re: ..... MLN1963, FALCON, SPITFIRE   November 17th 2013, 2:34 am

Pete,
Thanks for the info from track of the wolf. We tried left to right from standing behind the rifle. The guy who's brass punch bent made a comment that he thought the owner might have put RED LOCK TIGHT ON IT" Question Exclamation Question 
I'm going to keep trying.

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PostSubject: Re: ..... MLN1963, FALCON, SPITFIRE   November 17th 2013, 6:20 am

Red Loctite requires about 300* heat to release the bond. You may have to heat the barrel and then try tap it out if it is that tight. Heat the underside of the barrel and let it soak around to the upper side. Don't heat the sight any as it is smaller and will take the heat before the barrel. 

A dove tail is a interference, AKA friction fit, and they may have heated the barrel and used a cold sight at the factory during assembly. Did you try tapping it from the other direction? They may have used a different direction cut. 

Have you looked closely to make sure it isn't pinned too? That you would have to shear or drill out.

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PostSubject: Re: ..... MLN1963, FALCON, SPITFIRE   November 17th 2013, 7:38 am

A hammer and a good brass punch should be able to remove that sight. If you can't find a good brass punch then use a steel punch about 1/4" in diameter; this will most likely mess up the old sight. Be careful to not bugger up the groove in the barrel.

This is probably the same sight that is on your gun. This one came off another TC gun. There was some kind of glue on the sight. Had to hit the drift a good lick with the hammer to get it out.

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PostSubject: Re: ..... MLN1963, FALCON, SPITFIRE   November 17th 2013, 7:53 am

Thanks once again gents. At this point I'm willing to try anything. That sure does look like the front site that's in my rifle.

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PostSubject: Re: ..... MLN1963, FALCON, SPITFIRE   November 17th 2013, 8:16 am

Ray

We're you securing the barrel in a vice when you tried removing the sight?

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PostSubject: Re: ..... MLN1963, FALCON, SPITFIRE   November 17th 2013, 8:35 am

They may have used epoxy to install it. Maybe even soldered it. As was said......heat it up. The sight is no good to you, because it's too short. Might as well use a steel punch to knock it out. Then use the brass punch on the new sight.

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PostSubject: Re: ..... MLN1963, FALCON, SPITFIRE   November 17th 2013, 10:43 am

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No Mark No
 No vise was used. I don't have one and there isn't one at the range. When the brass punch's get delivered, I'll find one and try again. I'm sure one of my neighbors might have one set up and if not I'll try something else. I will get that site off. This time the proper way.........

Thanks goes out to everyone that have been trying to help me in one way or another to get this sight off. If worse comes to worse, I'll buy a vise.

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PostSubject: Re: ..... MLN1963, FALCON, SPITFIRE   November 18th 2013, 6:56 am

I was wondering if a lot of the energy from the hit was being wasted by the barrel moving around? If you have the barrel snugged down in a vice 100% of the energy from the strike should make it to the front sight. 

You could also call TC and ask them which way the sight should be drifted in and out?

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PostSubject: Re: ..... MLN1963, FALCON, SPITFIRE   November 18th 2013, 8:19 am

Very Happy 

Will do as soon as I get back home........Cool 

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PostSubject: Re: ..... MLN1963, FALCON, SPITFIRE   November 18th 2013, 12:59 pm

cheers 
OK guys I got the dam site out. I laid the rifle across my lap and gave it a few good whacks with a steel punch and it came right out cheers cheers cheers cheers 
I cleaned the slot and the dove tails and tried to re insert the new one but no dice.
I took a fine file and removed all unwanted burrs and tried to smooth the slots themselves. New site goes in very little from the right and stops cold. I tried from the left and the slot doesn't line up. Doesn't seem to be the right size. That's why I think it goes in from the right side. Maybe I need to file everything down some more until  I can get it about half way in then pound the rest of it in. I'm learning gents. It's just taking a little time. Has to wait until I get back. Leaving Thursday morning.
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