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PostSubject: Re: Got a Mountain Rifle!    March 9th 2014, 2:03 pm

Heres the barrel, I am doing a little more with the scotch bright pad and adding some more bluing paste to it.
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PostSubject: Re: Got a Mountain Rifle!    March 9th 2014, 10:37 pm

Well, tomorrow looks like its going to be the day to start stripping the finish off the stock and smoothing out some bruises in the wood. Take it one day at a time until shes finished.
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PostSubject: Re: Got a Mountain Rifle!    March 11th 2014, 11:28 pm

whew! Got one side of the forearm all sanded down and smoothed out. Just doing some small detail sanding near the nose cap and tomorrow I can move on to the other side of the forearm and get that smoothed.
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PostSubject: Re: Got a Mountain Rifle!    March 12th 2014, 3:44 pm



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PostSubject: Re: Got a Mountain Rifle!    March 12th 2014, 8:33 pm

Looking good so far! Can hardly wait to see the end results. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Got a Mountain Rifle!    March 13th 2014, 9:48 am

I would've left it looking old and used ....gives it character !
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PostSubject: Re: Got a Mountain Rifle!    March 13th 2014, 10:01 am

I'll bet your fingers are sore from all that sanding.

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PostSubject: Re: Got a Mountain Rifle!    March 13th 2014, 11:35 am

not to bad, just my thumb where it holds the sanding block lol. 60 grit sure eats up skin.
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PostSubject: Re: Got a Mountain Rifle!    March 13th 2014, 1:12 pm

cheers  cheers 


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PostSubject: Re: Got a Mountain Rifle!    April 6th 2014, 10:03 pm

I have a CVA Mountain Rifle I bought new in 1980. I was attracted to the authentic look: browned steel, browned iron triggerguard and buttplate, pewter cap on forend, German Silver patchbox, buckhorn sight mounted low on barrel, ramrod with pewter ends, etc.

It looked far more realistic than a Thompson Center with its modern sight, shiny brass and bluing.
It's been an accurate rifle with a .490 Speer ball in a patch lubricated with Gatofeo No. 1 Lubricant. That's a home-brew lubricant named after me and posted throughout the net: 1 part mutton tallow, 1 part canning paraffin and 1/2 part beeswax. All measurements are by weight, not volume. An excellent lubricant resembling SPG or Lyman Black Powder Gold, suitable for all black powder applications.

The barrel on my Mountain Rifle says Made In U.S.A., though a post on Graybeard Outdoors indicates that ALL CVA Mountain Rifle barrels were made in Spain, just not marked with Spanish marks until later.
The poster knew a neighbor of the man who designed the Mountain Rifle: Don Kammerer, who also built the prototype Mountain Rifle. This neighbor was a fellow gun crank and became good friends with Kammerer; he passed the info on to the poster.
Kammerer and Dave Silk, owner of CVA, went to Spain a number of times to teach them how to build barrels for the Mountain Rifle, the poster said.

Contrary to rumor, the poster claims, production Mountain Rifles never had Douglas barrels. Their barrels were all made in Spain, but didn't bear Spanish proof marks. The first three years or so of production, they were marked Made In U.S.A.
Or so the poster claims. He seems to know what he's talking about, though.

As far as I know, all .50-caliber Mountain Rifle barrels had 1:66 rifling twist. This made them very accurate with balls, but not so good with long conical bullets. However, I've been told that the short Lee R.E.A.L. bullet is accurate in these slow barrels, because it offers a short bearing surface for the rifling, just like a ball.
I've never tried the Lee R.E.A.L., though. I use my rifle for plinking, so I don't need conicals.

My favorite target load is 50 grs. of Goex FFG. This is a good plinking load, or to introduce a newcomer to muzzleloading. Recoil is nearly nonexistent. It's a good load for children, for this reason.

My full load is 85 grains of Goex FFG, with the same patched .490 ball. If I wanted to hunt deer, this is the load I'd use. I've tried more powder, but groups opened.

I prefer Speer balls over Hornady or any other swaged, commercial variety. I always seem to find a few out-of-round balls in a box of Hornadys, but not in Speers.

Shooters should always remember that a projectile spun by rifling is essentially an airborne top, spinning at high speed on its axis. Any imbalance affects the spin. Also, just like a top, bullets need some time to settle into their spin. For this reason, accuracy may not be outstanding at close range, but better at longer range. These warnings apply to all projectiles, traditional or modern.

You're lucky to have the original ramrod with that rifle. The ramrod was rather weak, probably made of any available hardwood rather than the traditional (and justly appropriate) hickory. Mine broke years ago while seating a ball.
I suggest you put that ramrod in the gun safe and purchase a substitute from Track of the Wolf. It offers synthetic ramrods with an 8/32 female thread on one end, and a 10/32 on the other.
One end of the ramrod is cupped, for seating balls.
My only complaint is that its fittings are brass! Ack! I need to dig out some Brass Black and make the brass look like iron. Perhaps someday I'll make a ramrod with German Silver or pewter fittings; many companies sell the fittings and raw hickory stick to make your own ramrod.

The German Silver front sight of the Mountain Rifle gleams like a lighthouse, making accurate shooting difficult in bright sun. Smoke the front sight with a candle stub (lay down a layer of carbon) and you'll see your groups tighten.

Keep any and all sabots, jacketed bullets, plastic patches and other modern geegaws away from that Mountain Rifle. The ancient gods of yore are offended by such abominations.

If you can get it, use real black powder. If not, use Pyrodex RS. I've had good luck with both, but better accuracy with real black powder. Other black powder substitutes have not been nearly as accurate.

Cast or swaged balls? Both are equally accurate if of high quality. I buy Speer swaged balls because I don't shoot my Mountain Rifle much anymore. Not much need to drag out the .490 ball mould.

You have a very good rifle. Treat is well and it will last for generations.
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PostSubject: Re: Got a Mountain Rifle!    April 7th 2014, 7:29 am

Just curious why you don't remove the butt plate and the rest of the metal parts off the stock to sand it down?
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PostSubject: Re: Got a Mountain Rifle!    April 7th 2014, 9:58 am

to prevent removing to much wood. The stain is a bastard to get out and so I have to use rough sand paper which easily will cut the wood down where the steel fittings are if i remove them. Its easier to sand the steel smooth and brown it than to put wood back where it belongs. Plus it makes for a tighter,cleaner lookign fit between the wood and steel.
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PostSubject: Re: Got a Mountain Rifle!    April 22nd 2014, 8:31 pm

Finally got back onto this project and she has 2 coats of Nut brown stain on her. I am not sure how many coats I will put but one thing is certain, I will add at least 1 coat of walnut stain to add a bit of reddish to the overall color, the maple really has some nice pattern in it and is showing well at this point.
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PostSubject: Re: Got a Mountain Rifle!    April 23rd 2014, 4:16 pm

this morning I used 220 grit sand paper and sanded down the stain I applied last night. I wanted a different natural looking color and so I sanded it down to where the stock was almost to bare wood, but had just a darker hint of color to it. After that I applied 3 coats nut brown, 2 coats walnut, let it dry then steel wooled it back and when I tested an area with boiled linseed oil, I got the color I wanted, an ember honey color in the lighter area's and a darker reddish brown where the figure is. She'll look damn good once I apply the Truoil.
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PostSubject: Re: Got a Mountain Rifle!    April 24th 2014, 9:29 am

Pictures ?
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PostSubject: Re: Got a Mountain Rifle!    April 24th 2014, 9:38 am

@Spitfire wrote:
Pictures ?

You know those are coming.

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PostSubject: Re: Got a Mountain Rifle!    April 24th 2014, 10:31 pm

More and more coats to go. This is 3 thin coats.


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PostSubject: Re: Got a Mountain Rifle!    April 24th 2014, 11:35 pm

Yeah but I can't wait to see what it looks like....
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PostSubject: Re: Got a Mountain Rifle!    April 25th 2014, 12:01 pm

That's looking real nice! Doing a great job for sure.
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PostSubject: Re: Got a Mountain Rifle!    April 25th 2014, 12:44 pm

The indoor light makes it look too red. Take it outside so we can see the real color.

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PostSubject: Re: Got a Mountain Rifle!    April 25th 2014, 11:45 pm

I like.
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PostSubject: Re: Got a Mountain Rifle!    April 27th 2014, 4:18 pm

whew! Shes DONE. I am just waiting for the Barricade on the barrel to dry before installing it onto the stock. Extremely happy with the way she came out, she will make a fine muzzle loader for some one very soon.

Before calling the stock good, I wet sanded with 2000 grit sand paper, cleaned it all up and then applied one final coat of truoil by hand.

Furniture i antique browned, same with the nose cap and patch box ( minus the browned part lol) I don't want bright shiny new looking stuff on it, just makes it look cheap IMO.

Tomorrow I will take picture after the stock has time to really set up.
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PostSubject: Re: Got a Mountain Rifle!    April 27th 2014, 4:38 pm

ok some poor inside pictures. The bring back ground makes the wood look a LOT darker than it really is.


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PostSubject: Re: Got a Mountain Rifle!    April 27th 2014, 4:59 pm

Not bad for a kid.

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PostSubject: Re: Got a Mountain Rifle!    April 27th 2014, 5:01 pm

damn! It hit me that I have to order a couple MR ramrods for this one and my hawken since I broke the one that came with this one LOL.

Looks a hell of a lot better than the original orange color on it IMO.
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