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PostSubject: How much Swiss   August 13th 2014, 10:38 am

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Found a Uberti 1860 44 Cal Army, fluted. I will be shooting RB with Swiss. Any input on a load? FF/FFF grs? How you would load.
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PostSubject: Re: How much Swiss   August 13th 2014, 11:15 am

I found 24gr of 2F gives me very good accuracy in my .44 Colt.
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PostSubject: Re: How much Swiss   August 13th 2014, 11:47 am

I shot nothing but Swiss in my 1860's. 35gr, but I didn't like girly loads.  Very Happy 

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PostSubject: Re: How much Swiss   August 13th 2014, 11:50 am

I'd start at 20 gr. of 3F and work up since Swiss is more potent.

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PostSubject: Re: How much Swiss   August 13th 2014, 11:57 am

I only use the light loads in the brass framed guns Pete , in my Remington I also use 35 to 38gr of 3F.
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PostSubject: Re: How much Swiss   August 13th 2014, 12:19 pm

@Spitfire wrote:
I only use the light loads in the brass framed guns Pete , in my Remington I also use 35 to 38gr of 3F.

Ya this one is steel frame. Sounds like 20 to start and maybe 35. Do you believe 35 to be the max?
Also what about wads and grease and all that stuff?? Any little tips??

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PostSubject: Re: How much Swiss   August 13th 2014, 12:27 pm

@Spitfire wrote:
I only use the light loads in the brass framed guns Pete , in my Remington I also use 35 to 38gr of 3F.

Uberti wouldn't make a brass 1860, because there never was a real one. They don't make make believe guns like Pietta.

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PostSubject: Re: How much Swiss   August 13th 2014, 12:29 pm

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@Spitfire wrote:
I only use the light loads in the brass framed guns Pete , in my Remington I also use 35 to 38gr of 3F.

Ya this one is steel frame. Sounds like 20 to start and maybe 35. Do you believe 35 to be the max?
Also what about wads and grease and all that stuff?? Any little tips??

You won't get 35gr in it if you use a wad. As long as you get a full ring of lead when you load the ball you don't need a wad, or grease for that matter, but grease will keep the fouling soft. (and messy)

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PostSubject: Re: How much Swiss   August 13th 2014, 12:30 pm

Depending on which powder you intend to use , with Swiss I'd say maybe 30 should be max.

With the Rem I fill the cylinder to capacity and then ram the ball in compressing the powder till the ball is roughly 3/64" below the chamber mouth , gives a hot load but still very accurate to 55 yds.
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PostSubject: Re: How much Swiss   August 13th 2014, 12:30 pm

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@Spitfire wrote:
I only use the light loads in the brass framed guns Pete , in my Remington I also use 35 to 38gr of 3F.

Ya this one is steel frame. Sounds like 20 to start and maybe 35. Do you believe 35 to be the max?
Also what about wads and grease and all that stuff?? Any little tips??

The max load is whatever the cylinder chamber will hold and still allow the ball to be fully seated. However, accuracy is usually better with a below maximum load.

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PostSubject: Re: How much Swiss   August 13th 2014, 12:39 pm

Pete here on the 'dark' continent we have to take what we can get .....Uberti's don't normally come up for sale on our gun sites
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PostSubject: Re: How much Swiss   August 13th 2014, 2:29 pm

Not sure what that has to do with it? I recommended a load for his gun, because I have thousands of loads through the same gun.

What is done in a brass framed gun is immaterial.

The myth that a Remington can take a heavier load than a Colt is meaningless, because the Colt can handle all the powder you can get in the chamber just fine. If the Remington can handle more it's a mute point, because you can't fit any more powder in it than a Colt.

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PostSubject: Re: How much Swiss   October 28th 2014, 4:50 pm

If you can be seen using "girly loads" (is that what SASS shooters call it?)

take a look at these facts, going from 30 to 15 grains does have an advantage; 30 grain loads per pound = 233 shots.  15 grain loads = 466 shots.

Most national level pistol competitors that win matches use 15 to 20 grain charges, accompanied by a filler, like cream of wheat, and grease on top of the ball. It just depends on whether the ball passes through cardboard or an animal.

This target was shot at 25 yards one hand/offhand with 18 grains of Schuetzen black powder, C.O.W., a 457RB (use only on Rugers OA & Remington Deluxe by Pietta), and axle grease.

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PostSubject: Re: How much Swiss   November 5th 2014, 9:19 am

drummy: You may want to consider trying out Olde Eynsford by Goex. It was designed to compete with it's performance, and gives very similar results comparing by volume. But it costs much less. Love the stuff!
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PostSubject: Re: How much Swiss   November 5th 2014, 9:56 am

@rodwha wrote:
drummy: You may want to consider trying out Olde Eynsford by Goex. It was designed to compete with it's performance, and gives very similar results comparing by volume. But it costs much less. Love the stuff!

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Tried it in my 54 GPR with great results. So close to Swiss it makes for a hard decision.
The price is right.
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PostSubject: Re: How much Swiss   November 5th 2014, 10:18 am

@D. Buck Stopshere wrote:
If you can be seen using "girly loads" (is that what SASS shooters call it?)

take a look at these facts, going from 30 to 15 grains does have an advantage; 30 grain loads per pound = 233 shots.  15 grain loads = 466 shots.

Most national level pistol competitors that win matches use 15 to 20 grain charges, accompanied by a filler, like cream of wheat, and grease on top of the ball. It just depends on whether the ball passes through cardboard or an animal.

This target was shot at 25 yards one hand/offhand with 18 grains of Schuetzen black powder, C.O.W., a 457RB (use only on Rugers OA & Remington Deluxe by Pietta), and axle grease.

How accurate do you want to be?Wink
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I don't shoot CAS anymore, but paper targets was never part of the competition. We just shot gongs at speed. Some of us also tried to simulate what they used back in the days. Plus, we loved blowing smoke all over the guys and gals shooting girly loads. clown

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