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PostSubject: "longer range" muzzleloader   September 25th 2014, 11:18 am

Hey all,

I'm trying to find a new ML for hunting at around 200 yards in open country in Kansas. I have used traditional, but need to go inline to get the extra yardage.
I have found a T/C Omega in camo w/scope for $299 and a CVA Accura V2 for $349 w/mount only. I am also entertaining ideas of the Traditions vortek LDR. Can you offer any suggestions on what would be a great production gun for around the $500 mark with scope? Thank you very much for your help.
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PostSubject: Re: "longer range" muzzleloader   September 25th 2014, 12:33 pm

Accura V2 would be my choice, Superb triggers on them. I've had 3 or 4 of them and the triggers have always been 2lbs or less.
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PostSubject: Re: "longer range" muzzleloader   September 25th 2014, 12:41 pm

@FrontierGander wrote:
Accura V2 would be my choice, Superb triggers on them. I've had 3 or 4 of them and the triggers have always been 2lbs or less.

is it capable of 200 yard "minute of bambi" accuracy out of the box?
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PostSubject: Re: "longer range" muzzleloader   September 25th 2014, 12:46 pm

oh easily. Like all guns you will need to do load development with different powder charges, sabots and such. If you go to Ed's gun shop in the classifieds section, you can ask for Carlos and he'll recommend the good stuff and even develop loads for your gun.
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PostSubject: Re: "longer range" muzzleloader   September 25th 2014, 1:05 pm

awesome, I already noticed that and requested a quote to see if they have the rifle in stock. That's great service, i'm used to having to work up a load in the old traditional way of "blood, sweat and tears."
I really enjoy the tedious process of trying different lead bullets, but I could see it getting expensive with sabots...
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PostSubject: Re: "longer range" muzzleloader   September 25th 2014, 1:10 pm

the 260-300 grain harvester scorpion PT Gold run something like 36-38 cents per bullet, Sabots for a box of 50 are around $7-8.
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PostSubject: Re: "longer range" muzzleloader   September 25th 2014, 1:25 pm

that's not too bad, though not as cheap as my cast round ball!
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PostSubject: Re: "longer range" muzzleloader   September 25th 2014, 5:29 pm

any thoughts on the T/C? Is the Accura miles above it in terms of accuracy?
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PostSubject: Re: "longer range" muzzleloader   September 25th 2014, 7:46 pm

I guess I would hate to spend $300 on the omega and then go throw down another $150 for a scope. That would be around the $500 mark which could get me into the accura v2 with a decent scope or the ldr with the traditions scope.
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PostSubject: Re: "longer range" muzzleloader   September 25th 2014, 7:58 pm

I sent you a PM with some info. I have an LDR and I like it and it will do 200 yards using blackhorn and most bullets I've tried. I've never tried cast lead so can't help you there but would assume it will make it much more difficult especially without a sabot. Knowing that a smokeless muzzleloader is legal in KS that is the route I have taken which with give you better long range performance but will bring the price above $500. 
Definetly give Carlos a call and he will help you out. You will be hard pressed to find better customer service or prices.

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PostSubject: Re: "longer range" muzzleloader   September 26th 2014, 11:24 pm

Well, I ended up picking up the omega tonight. It was actually marked down further and it was $249. I couldn't pass up this price. I may have to replace the scope at some point, but for now I feel like it was a good deal.
It is the omega z5 with weather shield and camo stock. Now I just need to hit the range and work up a load.
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PostSubject: Re: "longer range" muzzleloader   September 27th 2014, 6:01 am

I believe most of the inlines are really accurate from the box and it is a personal choice as to what feels the best. Several guys on here get great results with the CVA Wolf which isn't a high dollar rifle. 
What powder are you going to use with the Z5?  I would suggest blackhorn as it has been the best I have used and the consistency and lack of crud ring are of big benefit. 
Also what bullet are you going to use?  I have had good results with the PT golds and harvester sabots. The. Barnes are a great hunting bullet and POI is similar to the PT Golds in my rifle. Both have worked well on game too!

Good luck with the new rifle and post your results in the shooting range.

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PostSubject: Re: "longer range" muzzleloader   September 27th 2014, 7:06 am

Just to let you know, Carlos has cut M/L barrels down to 20 inches & still shot excellent groups with BH209 at 300yards. Get a good bore polish & clean that bore thoroughly first to polish any imperfections, & then practice, practice, practice!

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PostSubject: Re: "longer range" muzzleloader   September 27th 2014, 12:33 pm

To bad on the chose one should have bought a wolf   I had a few T.C.inlines an most are junk
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PostSubject: Re: "longer range" muzzleloader   September 28th 2014, 1:53 am

If I want to do long range muzzle gun hunting i'll use a Volunteer Rifle or Pedersoli Gibbs in .451 using 475gr paper patched bullets and 110gr of 2F as I know that load will reach out to 600 yards easily.
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