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PostSubject: Sidehammer for kids???   February 10th 2015, 11:49 am

Is/was there ever a sidehammer made with a short barrel and a ~12" LOP that was made for a kid? Someone said that both CVA and T/C made these back when in .32 and/or .36 cal.

I'd like to find one for my granddaughter to start her out on black powder.

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PostSubject: Re: Sidehammer for kids???   February 10th 2015, 12:02 pm

Not sure in that LOP but you can pick up a CVA Bobcat and cut the synthetic stock down to size for her. They are light weight and easy to handle. I think Traditions still even makes something like the Bobcat as well.
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PostSubject: Re: Sidehammer for kids???   February 10th 2015, 12:03 pm

Bob..Traditions made a rifle called the buckskinner years ago..I have one...it has a 20 in barrel...short LOP  only thing is its a .50  and its a nice shooter..has a 1-20 twist so shoots conical nice..

I hope this works ...here is what they look like'

https://www.google.com/search?q=tradition+buckskinner&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=s1TaVOzvGbDIsASGg4KgCA&ved=0CB8QsAQ&biw=1280&bih=631...

dont see many youth BP guns now...

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PostSubject: Re: Sidehammer for kids???   February 10th 2015, 3:11 pm

Gotta agree with going with a bobcat. You can find used ones really cheap so it won't make much difference what you do to 'em.

Most of the .32 and .36 offerings are a little pricey and the LOP is longer than you are looking at. I have an Ohio style rifle in .36 with a Sharron barrel that I bought mainly for what you are talking about -a short LOP rifle for smaller shooters to have as a loaner.
The .50 caliber bobcat can be loaded down, and ramming that bigger ball might be easier than ramming a .36. For sure easier than a .32
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PostSubject: Re: Sidehammer for kids???   February 10th 2015, 6:06 pm

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The old Senecas are very expensive on Gunbroker.... many $750+
These CVAs  Plainsman (I think) don't weight much and this one is evidently both new and cheap. Better hurry if this is true......

http://www.armslist.com/posts/4011305/fayetteville-north-carolina-muzzle-loaders-for-sale--cva--50-cal-muzzle-loader
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PostSubject: Re: Sidehammer for kids???   February 10th 2015, 6:19 pm

Started my boy at age 6 or so w a .32 CVA Squirrel rifle.  Got it out the other day as his son is now 5.  Removed the under rib and rod to lighten it up a tad.
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PostSubject: Re: Sidehammer for kids???   February 11th 2015, 3:37 pm

I just picked up a Bobcat for $100. It should be here next week.

I want to cut down the barrel but it only has one thimble and it is placed well towards the front. I may have to spot weld it or solder it farther back. Deer Creek has almost all the replacement parts for it. A new stock is $35 in case I screw it up when I shorten it.

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PostSubject: Re: Sidehammer for kids???   February 11th 2015, 6:26 pm

Bobcats are big kickers, up-to and including mule.
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PostSubject: Re: Sidehammer for kids???   February 11th 2015, 6:29 pm

Fortunately, I can load it way down. I was thinking of 40 gr. 2F with a PRB.

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PostSubject: Re: Sidehammer for kids???   February 11th 2015, 6:30 pm

That should do it.

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PostSubject: Re: Sidehammer for kids???   February 11th 2015, 6:34 pm

Waugh! She can handle at least 120gr 2f!
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PostSubject: Re: Sidehammer for kids???   February 11th 2015, 6:37 pm

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They aren't heavy at all. I'll bet you leave the length alone, after shouldering it. The one I had shot 180 grain T/C Mag Express XTPs (green sabot 44) as good as any open sight ML I own. Produced a 4" circle at 100 yards, using 70 grains of black.

I was upset when I sold that gun. It was a tack driver. Just hellbent on ridding my gun safe of all those sidehammers I once had. 

You will want to put some fiber optics on it. The factory sights are krap.
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PostSubject: Re: Sidehammer for kids???   February 11th 2015, 7:16 pm

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I just picked up a Bobcat for $100. It should be here next week.

I want to cut down the barrel but it only has one thimble and it is placed well towards the front. I may have to spot weld it or solder it farther back. Deer Creek has almost all the replacement parts for it. A new stock is $35 in case I screw it up when I shorten it.
Why cut down the barrel?
Maybe it's just because I'm used to barrels in the 40 inch category, but I had a devil of a time cleaning my great nephew's Bobcat because of how short the barrel was. That cleaning rod sure cleared the muzzle in a hurry!
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PostSubject: Re: Sidehammer for kids???   February 12th 2015, 10:34 am

"Why cut down the barrel?"


She has skinny little arms and has trouble holding a gun with a long barrel steady. Plus My 2 YO grandson will be ready for it when she grows out of it. (He thinks he's ready now.)

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PostSubject: Re: Sidehammer for kids???   February 14th 2015, 1:34 pm

HEY speaking of short guns, Bobcat and Buckskinners and such I have a CVA Timberwolf, that looks a lot like them two . Does anyone have any info they would be able to share.
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PostSubject: Re: Sidehammer for kids???   February 16th 2015, 1:59 pm

I don't have the Bobcat yet. It's supposed to be here tomorrow.
Here are a couple of pics I got:




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PostSubject: Re: Sidehammer for kids???   February 16th 2015, 2:31 pm

Looks like a good clean rifle. Buy it off gunbroker?
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PostSubject: Re: Sidehammer for kids???   February 16th 2015, 2:35 pm

No, I mentioned it on another forum and a member offered it. I trust individuals more than classifieds.

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PostSubject: Re: Sidehammer for kids???   February 16th 2015, 4:01 pm

I see a "project" rifle on Armslist.  CVA .32 cal caplock squirrel rifle.  He's asking $150 but with the things wrong with it one should be able to get it for half that. 
http://www.armslist.com/posts/3717810/minneapolis-minnesota-muzzle-loaders-for-sale-trade--connecticut-valley-arms-squirrel-muzzle-loader--32-

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PostSubject: Re: Sidehammer for kids???   February 18th 2015, 10:52 am

I got the gun today. Looks real good for the price. The bore is not pristine but is in good shape. This thing is really light weight. I may commandeer it for a hunt next season. Wink

I'll see how she does with it this weekend perhaps.

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PostSubject: Re: Sidehammer for kids???   February 18th 2015, 11:24 am

You can even install the cva crush zone recoil pad on that rifle, fits like a glove.
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PostSubject: Re: Sidehammer for kids???   February 23rd 2015, 8:53 am

Where can you buy those pads, Jon?

Can they be ground down to fit the stock if I shorten the stock thus making it smaller on the end?
Some that I see have screw holes very close to the edge. They might be removed by grinding the pad's edges.

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PostSubject: Re: Sidehammer for kids???   February 23rd 2015, 9:02 am

www.cva.com just look under replacement parts I believe. I dont think you can grind the BACK part where it goes into your shoulder, but the sides shouldnt be a problem.
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