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PostSubject: GRRW IS BACK, NOW CALLED - "GRRW CA" - "Building One Gun At A Time"   January 29th 2016, 11:18 am

SUBJECT: GRRW CA is up and is now running. "Building One Gun At A Time".






I have been asked “how’s the project going with getting the former employees of Green River Rifle Works back together”. Not sure if this was a slam (tongue in cheek thing) or they were really wanting to know what was stated. This idea started between Ron Paull and myself in October 2015, most thought it would be fun to see the group back together building guns. But most agreed it would never happen because of the ages of the old employees now 40 years later. That attitude of “it can be done” has always pissed me off, negative remarks seem to be in their makeup. That’s sad to never have a positive moment, good luck with that mode.

I built a website to gather folks with fond memories of the old firm of GRRW. I found several guys, both collectors, one with a website the other producing a newsletter. I contacted them and they agreed with my idea, they have tried to sell “T” shirts with the logo not having much luck. I told them when you contact one of these firms for supplying such items you need to have a game plan.

1) Look for the best quality items at fair prices. You do not want to be the middleman.
2) The supplier takes the order: collects the funds, handles the shipping.
3) They are the contact person if there’s a problem.

Sounds pretty straight forward until you start contacting these garment folks, they want you to do everything mentioned and have a large inventory like done with the original shirts. After talking to a half dozen companies I found an old friend just retired that had just opened a new company, she liked my thoughts for GRRW hats, shirts and jackets. THE TREADED DRAGON, located in Parker CO. http://www.threadeddragon.com

With starting with this idea one month earlier then announced on this site in November 01, 2015 we have moved forward with an idea that wouldn’t work.

Next I built a website associated with the old firm of “GRRW”, the “GRRW Collector” websites and the “Green River Gazette” newsletter. New site called “GRRW Collectors Association” is found at http://furtradebooks.tripod.com/index.htm

At the same time we started talking about building guns with the man Doc White, owner of the old firm of GRRW. He liked the idea of getting former employees back together again along with possibly using them as custom gunsmith build the old firm’s guns. That’s all I needed to hear and having his approval another website was started with Doc overseeing what was done. Now seen at http://grrw.ca.tripod.com/index.htm

I knew of several old friends that had wanted GRRW guns for years, we contacted them if still interested. The process was now moving with the motto “Building One Gun At A Time”. Three (3) guns were ordered with Doc White, Carl Walker and Ron Paull being put to work.

Mike Nesbitt was contacted, (having columns in several muzzle-loading magazines) to see if he was interested in this idea. He got really excited as he was a fan of GRRW for years. He will write an article to be published in the Spring/Summer 2016 issue of the “Muzzleloader” magazine.

With three models being built at this time, a Jim Bridger Hawken, a Leman Trade rifle and a Poor Boy with orders for several more now on a “Customer Waiting List”.

To read how the Process at  works see a brief resume below or go to the  website.
 



 is just a source for those desiring an excellent copy of the original guns of “GRRW”. Your first contact will by email with our contact person who can answer any questions you may have. "Building One Gun At A Time" is our motto & the way the process is done. When ordering a firearm your name is placed on a “Waiting List”. When the next available gunsmith has finished his last build you will be contacted to start the process. NO backorders - NO deposits. 

PROCESS When your name has been placed on the “Waiting List” you have started the process. When there's an available gunsmith you will be contacted that your build is next in line.

1) If still interested, you will be provided with the gunsmith's email or his phone number in some cases to start talking about your wants and desires.
2) The smith will go over the parts needed for your custom firearm build (build sheet).
3) The gunsmith will provide you with the supplier of choice (determined by your upgrades). A list of parts will be discussed along with any part changes from the normal rifle/pistol parts kits.
4) You the customer orders the required parts kit, pays for the kit at the supplier’s store by phone or on their website & has the kit shipped to your personal  gunsmith's location provided by the smith.
5) You & your gunsmith will keep in contact during the building process for any changes or upgrades desired.
6) Once the firearm is completed the  gunsmith will contact you letting you know your rifle/pistol is ready for delivery. You will pay the gunsmith for his labor & the cost of shipping to your address. 

NO middleman, NO additional charges at the front or the end of your build, just parts, labor & shipping (NO hidden costs or add-ons). A straight forward process for you working with a custom gunsmith & getting what you have dreamed of since the closing of the GRRW. 

Thank you for time folks. Have a Good Day.


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PostSubject: Re: GRRW IS BACK, NOW CALLED - "GRRW CA" - "Building One Gun At A Time"   January 29th 2016, 11:20 am

Jon you asked for it now its yours my friend.

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PostSubject: Re: GRRW IS BACK, NOW CALLED - "GRRW CA" - "Building One Gun At A Time"   March 27th 2016, 10:00 am

Good Morning HAPPY EASTER folks,
UPDATE   I picked up the first produced GRRW.CA rifle a few weeks ago, built *Carl Walker former and first employee of GRRW. I told him it had to match those built by the old firm. He built this rifle as requested, exactly per request. I'll take pictures and post the first gun shortly?

At this time we have a dozen guns scheduled to be built and several waiting on the *customer waiting list.

This is an example of moving forward with an idea even though your being told it won't work. If you have a well thought out idea, give it a try folks. Ask Jon, his cleaning solvent is a good example.













I'm still waiting for better pictures from my cameraman once the weather breaks (rainy days doesn't work well for pictures or finish on guns [email=!@#$%]!@#$%[/email]^).




Like Arnold, "I'll Be Back", thanks for your time.

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PostSubject: Re: GRRW IS BACK, NOW CALLED - "GRRW CA" - "Building One Gun At A Time"   March 27th 2016, 11:07 am

I'm jealous.

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PostSubject: Re: GRRW IS BACK, NOW CALLED - "GRRW CA" - "Building One Gun At A Time"   March 27th 2016, 3:04 pm

Hi Buck! 

Good to hear from you! I was wondering where you went. 

I can not wait to see your new baby. And, find out how much it cost. 
And, if I should act... and if so, how long I would need to wait! (I know...
it is somewhat vague... just an idea.) Fun stuff! Cool

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PostSubject: Re: GRRW IS BACK, NOW CALLED - "GRRW CA" - "Building One Gun At A Time"   March 27th 2016, 8:39 pm

I just had a chance to shoot with Phil Meek and bought my first GRRW. I have wanted one for sometime and found one on Track. I like the Colonel am curious about what the wait time would be to have one built. I will also be waiting to see the pictures of the new gun Thanks Al

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PostSubject: Re: GRRW IS BACK, NOW CALLED - "GRRW CA" - "Building One Gun At A Time"   March 28th 2016, 3:11 pm

@Kentucky Colonel wrote:
Hi Buck! 

Good to hear from you! I was wondering where you went. 

I can not wait to see your new baby. And, find out how much it cost. 
And, if I should act... and if so, how long I would need to wait! (I know...
it is somewhat vague... just an idea.) Fun stuff! Cool

Hey KC,

Here are the first pictures, laying on the TOTW print for their Leman Rifle plan. The GRRW.CA gunsmith did as requested "I want these rifles to be as built in the day at GRRW, PERIOD". Carl Walker did as instructed, a plain Leman Trade rifle like the old dog sitting in my safe since 1974. After the first rifles are built and my cameraman has done his thing for Mike Nesbitt's article I can post those finished guns here (will wait for article to be published first).

The 'Bridger Hawken' is in the finishing stages, the 'Leman Trade Rifle' is completed (as shown), a 'Poor Boy', 'Trapper Pistol' and several 'J & S Hawken' flinters are listed with parts ordered. I have a 'Little Leman Squirrel Rifle' waiting on the "Customer Waiting List", yes even the one with an idea to restart this group has to wait his turn. I made the rules now I'm stuck with them, such is life.

I drive my wife nuts with the time put on the computer working on issues like; supplier shortages on pieces, possible customers with questions, rebuilding price sheets as prices change, you name it - "been there done that". The 35-40 hours a week to keep this project moving forward has been heck, but I have enjoyed ever moment - really. Where else can you play and it cost you nothing, the pay is wonderful (ZERO) that's fine. Better than picking my nose (that usually causes nose bleeds as I recall)? 

KC what are you wanting, send me an email and we can talk, buck@sittingfoxagency.org .


Hey the GRRW.CA hat sales, shirts and jackets are moving, thank you for making those purchases. Come visit our rebuilt (always changing as new information is found) check out http://grrw.ca.tripod.com/index.htm

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PostSubject: Re: GRRW IS BACK, NOW CALLED - "GRRW CA" - "Building One Gun At A Time"   March 28th 2016, 7:55 pm

Message sent. 

I am a little lost about all the things swirling in your post. 
I think you may assume we know more than we do? Smile

I understand holding pics for publication. Congratulations!

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PostSubject: Re: GRRW IS BACK, NOW CALLED - "GRRW CA" - "Building One Gun At A Time"   March 29th 2016, 9:43 am

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Message sent. 

I am a little lost about all the things swirling in your post. 
I think you may assume we know more than we do? Smile

I understand holding pics for publication. Congratulations!


Good morning,



If interested I’ll place your name on the “Customer Waiting List”, I control the list - we had one person put over a dozen names on the list which were not correct, (bad email addresses). some people's kids !$%^



The “Pricing” link is at the bottom of the HOME page; http://grrw.ca.tripod.com/index.htm




Each model gun has a link to the parts list as shown. On the pricing page it shows for EXAMPLE the J & S Hawken (full-stock flintlock) on; http://grrw.ca.tripod.com/page.pricing.htm



Parts kit on this gun will run approximately $750 - $800 and the labor is between $900 - $1,000. Added together a standard J & S Hawken rifle would be $1,700 - $1,800. Any additional add-ons would raise the price. The pre-carved non-inlet lock area stocks we have used are plain maple (a little figure but not curly), the standard stock is $125 while a curly maple stock is $60 higher.



The “Process” link; http://grrw.ca.tripod.com/page.process.htm is also found at the bottom of the HOME page, this page shows the (6) item list for building a gun.



You will start this Process once a gunsmith is available, you will be moved from the “Customer Waiting List” and put in contact with that smith, I'm out of the picture from here on.

 

1) If still interested, you will be provided with the gunsmith's email or his phone number in some cases to start talking about your wants and desires.



2) The  smith will go over the parts needed for your custom firearm build (build sheet).



3) The gunsmith will provide you with the supplier of choice (determined by your upgrades). A list of parts will be discussed along with any part changes from the normal rifle/pistol parts kits.



4) You the customer orders the required parts kit, pays for the kit at the supplier’s store by phone or on their website & has the kit shipped to your personal gunsmith's location provided by the smith.



5) You & your gunsmith will keep in contact during the building process for any changes or upgrades desired.



6) Once the firearm is completed the gunsmith will contact you letting you know your rifle/pistol is ready for delivery. You will pay the gunsmith for his labor & the cost of shipping to your address.





NO middleman, NO additional charges at the front or the end of your build, just parts, labor & shipping (NO hidden costs or add-ons). A straight forward process for you working with a custom gunsmith & getting what you have dreamed of since the closing of the GRRW.



GRRW.CA - per Doc White wants to keep these guns at reasonable price for custom built arms, "Building One Gun At Time". As mentioned the J & S Hawken shown as an example is at the same or below value of a good condition used GRRW gun built 30 years plus ago.



The first few guns of each model will increase in value according several GRRW collectors over later ones. I would think that's correct, but who knows in today's market. Personally I have experienced better returns on antiques sold over what my stocks are doing or savings at the bank. When still at Cabela's Gun Library collectors would repeat the same thought, changing the direction of their 401K's into good clean firearms of all types.



Hope this helps.





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PostSubject: Re: GRRW IS BACK, NOW CALLED - "GRRW CA" - "Building One Gun At A Time"   April 30th 2016, 5:50 pm

Hey Buck... 

related post... Here's a Really Rare Find

Take a look, please?

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PostSubject: Re: GRRW IS BACK, NOW CALLED - "GRRW CA" - "Building One Gun At A Time"   May 2nd 2016, 6:53 am

Couldn't find the link KC? How have you been, keeping out of trouble I hope.

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PostSubject: Re: GRRW IS BACK, NOW CALLED - "GRRW CA" - "Building One Gun At A Time"   May 2nd 2016, 7:45 am

 Here's A Really Rare Find. Green River Rifle Works


Can you jump over to that thread? On this forum? 


I need to know your thoughts and whether you think 
Doc will allow a GRRW stamp if the GRRW CA guys 
assemble it.


I have NOT been staying out of trouble...
Bought that kit...

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PostSubject: Re: GRRW IS BACK, NOW CALLED - "GRRW CA" - "Building One Gun At A Time"   May 2nd 2016, 9:56 am

Give him a link knucklehead. You know old farts can't find anything.

http://www.frontiermuzzleloading.com/t9977-here-s-a-really-rare-find-green-river-rifle-works

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PostSubject: Re: GRRW IS BACK, NOW CALLED - "GRRW CA" - "Building One Gun At A Time"   May 2nd 2016, 11:04 am

Muley wrote:
Give him a link knucklehead. You know old farts can't find anything.

http://www.frontiermuzzleloading.com/t9977-here-s-a-really-rare-find-green-river-rifle-works

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PostSubject: Re: GRRW IS BACK, NOW CALLED - "GRRW CA" - "Building One Gun At A Time"   May 2nd 2016, 11:29 am

I found the link you two turds. Isn't it nice to see the love these two have for each other....  Laughing lol!

Isn't that the kit that Tom Watson is trying to sell? I got an email that he had an old GRRW Hawken kit for sale a few months ago. Untouched, just wanted to do something else, or interests changed?
Sorry to be so uninvolved with you guys at this time, been busy with the GRRW.CA project. Keeping smith's working, looking for parts when normal sources are out. Talking to interested parties with questions and more questions on guns. Now building a FAQ page to help answer the most common concerns with building the models carried by the old firm. If you think of a question let me know, may be one that I have forgotten to put on new page. Thanks for your time.

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PostSubject: Re: GRRW IS BACK, NOW CALLED - "GRRW CA" - "Building One Gun At A Time"   May 2nd 2016, 11:35 am

I believe thats the same one. I got that link in the Gazette email.
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PostSubject: Re: GRRW IS BACK, NOW CALLED - "GRRW CA" - "Building One Gun At A Time"   May 2nd 2016, 11:49 am

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I believe thats the same one. I got that link in the Gazette email.


Good Jon that's what I had figured, then had second thoughts there may be another one floating around?

Have you seen the first GRRW.CA Trapper Pistol that Ron Paull built, its a beauty with extra features like engraving and checkering.




Two original GRRW barrels were found on an auction site, purchased both - one had been cut 22 inches while the other was 36 inches. The 22 inch barrel is now a GRRW.CA "Trapper Pistol" while the longer barrel will become a "J&S Hawken" shortly. Both built by Ron Paull (former employee of old firm of GRRW). This is a set marked [1 of 2] and [2 of 2].


This is a letter for this gun, a "Certificate of Purchase" provided with each firearm we build. The letter should be passed on if the gun is ever sold.


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PostSubject: Re: GRRW IS BACK, NOW CALLED - "GRRW CA" - "Building One Gun At A Time"   May 2nd 2016, 11:50 am

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PostSubject: Re: GRRW IS BACK, NOW CALLED - "GRRW CA" - "Building One Gun At A Time"   May 2nd 2016, 12:11 pm

That is gorgeous. I love the engraving!

Tom Watson is the seller. So, you seem to have the right end of the stick. 
He told me that he wanted to work only on long rifles so he was letting 
this one go.

If you scroll to the last post on the thread at the link Muley posted, you will see pics of 
the whole original kit.

Two questions: 

One, did I do right in buying it? You are in a position to know.

Two, do you think Doc would approve stamping this rifle with an original 
GRRW stamp if built by an original GRRW gunsmith?

Any other thoughts about this specific Kit/style of Hawken you can offer? 

I am on the GRRWCA waiting list. This will take care of the parts 
needed, I assume.

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PostSubject: Re: GRRW IS BACK, NOW CALLED - "GRRW CA" - "Building One Gun At A Time"   May 3rd 2016, 12:20 pm

KC,

I can get that stamping done for you, send me a PM so I can make a note on the "GRRW.CA Customer Waiting List" as a reminder to me what we have talked about. I get several special requests weekly asking for different things and I don't want to screw this up.

If your who I think you are (I know you told me once - that was before I found I forget things and didn't write it down like now being done). This memory crap sucks ... If I'm correct your coming up for me to contact you once the current guns on the smith's benches have been completed.

These former employees of GRRW have become very picky with their skills over the years wanting everything to look just right (good for the customer) but can drive me nuts at times with scheduling, just kidding. We want these guns to be "right on the money" and be as close as possible to the original GRRW firearms.

Once Nesbitt's article comes out it will be a full time job for me to keep everything straight and loading work, reason for working on the FAQ page now. For an "idea that wouldn't worked" it has gotten some interest which really surprised Doc and a few of the smiths. They thought they had been shoved under the carpet years ago. What gets me is for the number of guns they built back in the day - 5,500 plus - that only a few have appeared today (there is a large number of these guns sitting in gun cabinets, closets or hanging on the wall that owners don't have a clue of their value). This was the original intent in starting to talk about them in our search as to where they went?


I think what you paid Tom for this gun and what it is, is probably close to true retail value, he has never given anything away that I have seen. Mr. Watson has been a good source for information and fair with his dealings. So even as said RETAIL VALUE will just increase over the next few years where you'll be in good shape KC with your purchase.

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PostSubject: Re: GRRW IS BACK, NOW CALLED - "GRRW CA" - "Building One Gun At A Time"   May 3rd 2016, 2:24 pm

Buck, 

This is quite comforting as I made the 'leap of faith' and bought the Money Order 
before your response! Boy! Am I relieved! Yes. Tom 'squeezed the orange' 
for all it was worth.

I will respond to your questions shortly. I am a little distracted myself. '6th' on the waiting list 
comes to memory. The type of rifle will now conform to the kit. I would love to know what that is...

I am SO pleased at the original GRRW stamp possibility! Wheeee! I played poker with this one. 

This means we may be able to make this a special tribute rifle. What does that mean? Engravings? 
Joint publishing potential? Who knows? I really would like to celebrate the roots of this if we can.

Maybe this can be a one off...  GRRW AND GRRW CA stamp? IDK. 

WAY fun though! A simple BP lover has stumbled onto a special rifle thanks to listening 
to his friends! 

There is a story there...

(Even though that means Muley may get some credit, too... Well, you can't win them all! jocolorjocolorjocolor

THIS IS EXCITING! cheers


PS. I sent you an e-mail to help remind you. I did not PM you.

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PostSubject: Re: GRRW IS BACK, NOW CALLED - "GRRW CA" - "Building One Gun At A Time"   May 4th 2016, 8:59 am

Just so everyone knows...

I have had a reply via e-mail to this. 
It was all good news, but some things need 
to be confirmed/thought through. So, I won't 
comment on that. 

But, yes! Still exciting!

I still do not even know the exact Hawken type 
in the kit. Laughing  It is a .58 calibre.

Talk about a leap of faith based on the GRRW brand, 
GRRWCA, Buck, Muley and what I have read from here 
and other places...

This is not at all like me... 
Keep me away from Vegas. 
I seem to have contracted a gambling bug. 
Thank God I have been winning!

This should be a lot of fun. This is going to be 
a special rifle.

Thanks.

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PostSubject: Re: GRRW IS BACK, NOW CALLED - "GRRW CA" - "Building One Gun At A Time"   May 4th 2016, 9:14 am

Conner........What real Hawken was used as a model for the guns you sell?

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PostSubject: Re: GRRW IS BACK, NOW CALLED - "GRRW CA" - "Building One Gun At A Time"   May 4th 2016, 9:35 am

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Conner........What real Hawken was used as a model for the guns you sell?

There are several pictured on the link he gave above... Let me look.
(Muley, this may not answer your question now that I re-read your post.)

The J&S Hawken (a full stock Hawken... Not mine... I don't have the wood in the kit for it, I think)




The Hawken Half-Stock (I think this is the kit I have, but not sure. Guessing from the pics as I do not have it in my hands, yet.)




The Jim Bridger Hawken (Also a half stock...)

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PostSubject: Re: GRRW IS BACK, NOW CALLED - "GRRW CA" - "Building One Gun At A Time"   May 4th 2016, 11:17 am

I'm looking for a specific gun.

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