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PostSubject: Re: NRA endorses Trump   May 21st 2016, 9:41 pm

Sanders it is then folks....


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PostSubject: Re: NRA endorses Trump   May 21st 2016, 9:48 pm

"NRA facing member backlash over Trump endorsement
The early endorsement was a push for GOP unity. But not all NRA members are eager to fall in line. - Politico

"The backlash, which also played out in a pitched debate among the rank-and-file on NRA’s Facebook page, is a sign that GOP unity cannot be rushed, even by groups with the credibility of the NRA.
“You can endorse anyone you want including the lying, progressive, anti-gun democrat DJ Trump, but you don't get to tell your dues paying membership ‘get over it,’” posted David Davis, who said he was ending his 30-year membership. “I didn't leave the NRA, the NRA left me.”

There are some, of course, who are for Trump. I am not among them.

My answer to can a VP choice change your mind and cause you to vote for Trump? Would they keep him away from our nukes and our military? No. Trump is unfit for the office of President of the United States and should never have his ignorance, arrogance, thin skin, vindictiveness, and mercurial nature married to real power. 

He is a walking human zit. It is why his last wives are all immigrants: proving once again that there are some jobs Americans just won't do.

God himself would need to visit me and command me to vote for Trump before I would do so... and then only as an act of faith in God.... and even then I would act with reservations.

Please, remember... I was asked.

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PostSubject: Re: NRA endorses Trump   May 22nd 2016, 12:50 am

Colonel who you and I vote for is none of anyone elses business. While I agree with alot points made here there are some that are pure speculation. I remember when Reagan ran for office and no one wanted him elected either. The claim of nukes and the military came up then with Reagan. Most all of these candidates make claims they never follow thru with. Obama has done the same thing. Were still at war with Isis which is nothing more than a name change of the same people we been throwing bullets at since Bush was in there. Obama said he would get us out and were right back in there again. If you wish to think that bombs and the army will be thrown about if Trump gets elected I cant change your mind but I think its really speculation to think that.  And no Im not trying to change your vote just commenting on the Nukes. Al

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PostSubject: Re: NRA endorses Trump   May 22nd 2016, 6:58 am

@Kentucky Colonel wrote:
"NRA facing member backlash over Trump endorsement
The early endorsement was a push for GOP unity. But not all NRA members are eager to fall in line. - Politico

"The backlash, which also played out in a pitched debate among the rank-and-file on NRA’s Facebook page, is a sign that GOP unity cannot be rushed, even by groups with the credibility of the NRA.
“You can endorse anyone you want including the lying, progressive, anti-gun democrat DJ Trump, but you don't get to tell your dues paying membership ‘get over it,’” posted David Davis, who said he was ending his 30-year membership. “I didn't leave the NRA, the NRA left me.”

There are some, of course, who are for Trump. I am not among them.

My answer to can a VP choice change your mind and cause you to vote for Trump? Would they keep him away from our nukes and our military? No. Trump is unfit for the office of President of the United States and should never have his ignorance, arrogance, thin skin, vindictiveness, and mercurial nature married to real power. 

He is a walking human zit. It is why his last wives are all immigrants: proving once again that there are some jobs Americans just won't do.

God himself would need to visit me and command me to vote for Trump before I would do so... and then only as an act of faith in God.... and even then I would act with reservations.

Please, remember... I was asked.

You answered nothing that I asked. You just repeated what you've already said over and over.

Trump did teach you one thing. How to side step questions.

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PostSubject: Re: NRA endorses Trump   May 22nd 2016, 7:44 am

I am voting for the party more so the candidate....as we can see what Obama has done to the country ..another Dem will follow his lead and appoint SCJ judges that will be the demise of us all...

also if Trump does get in..I think he will be mentored as what has to be done..lets face it..Trump does not like to look bad....he likes to win and be popular..its his ego...I believe he will try to please the people ..he will have help from his VP and cabinet...last thing he wants is to look bad to the people and himself...

I am not thinking about how it effects me..I am old now..I am thinking how it will effect the future for my kids and grand children...it is not about us ..its about the future...
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PostSubject: Re: NRA endorses Trump   May 22nd 2016, 7:57 am

He doesn't seem to be bothered that much about looking bad for the last year. I worry that he won't accept any help. As of right now he has no foreign policy advisor, and it sure shows.

I think it's why he flip-flops so much now. he just talks off the top of his head, and then realizes later he screwed up and changes his mind. He needs help, and i'm not sure he'll accept it.

I'm waiting to see who he picks as a running mate. That will help to see if he can make right decisions.

I have to snicker at those who worry about him giving nukes to the wrong countries. He won't have the power to do that if he wanted to. He'll get impeached before it happens anyway.

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PostSubject: Re: NRA endorses Trump   May 22nd 2016, 8:11 am

Muley, 

I was responding to another's question. I felt yours was already adequately answered. 
I have been very direct and side stepped little. I don't know how I could be more clear.

(Chuckles) I doubt that anyone does not know how I feel or where I stand and why. 

Knowing how big a train wreck one candidate is when there is only one other option to 
choose from means little needs to be said about the lesser evil.

It is like you have to choose from a child molester and an alcoholic to baby sit. 
You know that the child molester is the worse choice, but your spouse does not understand 
that he is a child molester. So, all your energy is spent warning about the greater evil even though 
the second choice has severe short comings. Those short comings are known and accepted, but still the lesser evil.

However, if you want an evaluation of Hillary? It would take a lot of space. 
But, she does not terrify me the same way because she has restraint. (Say 
what you will about other things, this is true.)

Yes, I trust Hillary with the nuke launch codes much more than I do Trump. I doubt a 'tweet' would 
send her over the edge and make her launch something. I think Trump is stark raving and 
driven entirely by self-centered impulse. He's like that inappropriate and abusive drunken Uncle at a wedding 
who sits at the bar shouting at and groping everyone. Everyone wishes someone would throw him out.

I am not the biggest fan of Hillary, but she is clearly a better choice than Trump. Almost anyone would be. 
That bar is appallingly low. Hell, I know 12 year olds I would trust more than Trump. 
(He does not 'tell it like it is.' He is just appallingly ignorant and speaks when wiser men would 
know to be silent. He has verbal diarrhea and then stands by everything he has randomly trotted out- 
as if it came down from Olympus.)

Is Hil a crook, too? Yes. Does she flip-flop, too? Yes. (Just not three different ways in the span of two hours or two days.) 
Is she self serving, too? Yes. Will she allow new gun restrictions, too? Yes.

Oh, we are royally screwed with our choices. (The Social Democrat is the pro-gun guy left in the race! Seriously!? 
Who saw that coming? But, Vermonters love their guns and hunting, too.)

We have been offered a choice between having our dinner served with an entree of 
a parasite ridden sh*t sandwich or an off-smelling seafood dish. 

There is still a clear choice here, but bon appetite.

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PostSubject: Re: NRA endorses Trump   May 22nd 2016, 9:08 am

Hillary was for the Iraq war. Trump wasn't. Who's the one with restraint?

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PostSubject: Re: NRA endorses Trump   May 23rd 2016, 1:19 pm

New Headline: Clinton Will Be a Better Gun Salesman Than Obama

Obama set a record for "encouraging" the most gun sales ever ... Clinton could beat his record easily.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/hillary-clinton-could-topple-obamas-090004527.html

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PostSubject: Re: NRA endorses Trump   May 23rd 2016, 3:18 pm

I seldom get to vote FOR a candidate in November. In the primaries I vote my consience and in November I vote AGAINST the liberal communist bastards. It will be the same this year. Piss on sone third party candidate, people voting for Ross Perot gave us Slick Willy and the Hilldabeast. IMO Hilldabeast and third party voters are traitors and non voters are only half as bad.
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PostSubject: Re: NRA endorses Trump   May 23rd 2016, 4:43 pm

As I have said I vote party...I want a repub SCJ..congress and senate...the Dems think our constitution is an old worthless paper thats outdated...every thing to them has to be politicly correct...no Merry Christmas banner..no pledge of alegence in schools...they want goverment control of every aspect of our lives...

and if any one thinks a president can launch a pre empted nuclear attack is crazy...there is lots of safe guards for that...
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PostSubject: Re: NRA endorses Trump   May 23rd 2016, 7:19 pm

Anyone who votes 'party only' has surrendered their thinking and is not exercising 
due diligence. 

ANYONE. ANY PARTY. 

I have done it for minor races. It is easier than learning everything about every 
candidate in every race. I was wrong.

How many dems are arrested for outrageous crimes? How many reps have been arrested 
for outrageous crimes?

Gonna vote for them?

Think. Before it is too late and illegal.

And, NO. The President as Commander in Chief has the authority and the launch codes. 
That is the definition of the 'Commander in Chief.' Look it up. That is the 'football.'

Sorry, Al. I get that you want your values represented by all branches of government. 
But, voting a party line is NOT EVER going to give that to you or anyone else. And, your 
basic understanding of Commander In Chief is flawed.

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PostSubject: Re: NRA endorses Trump   May 23rd 2016, 8:02 pm

Only the President can direct the use of nuclear weapons, including the Single Integrated Operational Plan (SIOP). While the President does have unilateral authority as commander-in-chief to order that nuclear weapons be used for any reason at any time, the actual procedures and technical systems in place for authorizing the execution of a launch order requires a secondary confirmation under a two-man rule, as the President's order is subject to secondary confirmation by the Secretary of Defense.[citation needed] If the Secretary of Defense does not concur, then the President may in his sole discretion fire the Secretary. The Deputy Secretary of Defense would then assume the office of Acting Secretary of Defense in accordance with the Secretarial order of succession. An Acting Secretary would, likely, face the same test: to countersign the Presidential order or be relieved from office. This potential cycling of Acting Secretaries of Defense could be reminiscent of the so-called "Saturday Night Massacre" at the Department of Justice in 1973. (However, the Vice President and a majority of the heads of the Executive Departments could invoke section 4 of the Twenty-fifth amendment to the Constitution and have the President declared incapacitated. The Vice President would then become Acting President until the President submits a declaration to the Speaker of the House and the President pro tempore of the Senate that affirms his ability to discharge his duties.)


As said he cant launch by him self...he has codes...to authorize a launch...now its up the the others if they launch...or allow it....the 2 man rule...

now if it is a defense strike I can see it happen..but to be the ones for a first strike..nope..

and yes  I want our country run by our consitution...not executive orders that completely violate our rights as Americans...


also...the repubs will give more of my values than a Dem...
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PostSubject: Re: NRA endorses Trump   May 23rd 2016, 8:14 pm

Anyone want to discuss how difficult it is to deny your commander 
in a chain of command?

No. The Senate can't say 'BOO' if the President decides to take an action with 
our military. They only get a say after the fact. The cold war made it that way. 
We needed to be able to act at a moments notice. They vote AFTER.

No one ever envisioned a reckless Trump ever getting NEAR the Presidency 
and our launch codes.

But, look how insane this has gotten. This is the level of our discussion. 
'Does the President have the right to launch... ' It is no longer even about 
'does he have the judgement to know when to launch and when not to.' 
We know Trump does not. This is a huge flaw in any Presidential candidate.

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PostSubject: Re: NRA endorses Trump   May 29th 2016, 4:03 am

Be hard headed and not vote just hand it too Clinton I'd rather have Trump at 50/50 than Clinton at 100%. You like these sights and your right to keep your guns? if not vote Clinton
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PostSubject: Re: NRA endorses Trump   May 29th 2016, 7:14 am

Your very right ourway...O blama is in bed with the owner of google..he is a big contributor to the Dem's..at one time O blama wanted google to put in a filter on the the search engines to filter out gun posts..but it got shot down..
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PostSubject: Re: NRA endorses Trump   June 1st 2016, 9:25 am

I've been biting my lip about Trump. I was hoping he'd change, but he's getting worse and now claims he has no plans to change. His whole campaign is a scam, and America is falling for it.

I've been looking into his Trump University. I knew he had a class action suit against him, but didn't know the details. His target was the seniors. He went after their retirement funds and also pushed them to max out credit cards. They lost everything they had,plus went into debt for a worthless course that could have been found by Googling. It was worthless. Trump claims everybody signed forms claiming a 97% approval rate for the course. What isn't being said is those forms were signed at the beginning before anybody knew what a scam it was. Those same people are suing him now. This shows me he doesn't care squat about people like he claims, and especially the seniors. I won't put the future of my SS check in his hands.

He's nothing but a pompous self-centered lying con man who acts like the spoiled brat that he is. He'll never get my vote. No gun laws could be worse.

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PostSubject: Re: NRA endorses Trump   June 1st 2016, 12:54 pm

All politicians are scum and they are all crooks. Just vote for the crook that you hate the least.

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PostSubject: Re: NRA endorses Trump   June 1st 2016, 1:31 pm

That sure isn't Trump. I can't stand to listen to him anymore. I was trying to keep an open mind, but he's so damn annoying.

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PostSubject: Re: NRA endorses Trump   June 1st 2016, 7:03 pm

Muley wrote:
I've been biting my lip about Trump. I was hoping he'd change, but he's getting worse and now claims he has no plans to change. His whole campaign is a scam, and America is falling for it.

He's nothing but a pompous self-centered lying con man who acts like the spoiled brat that he is. He'll never get my vote.

Yeah, well... I have to agree, Muley. The more you look, the worse he gets.

I sure wish we had better options.

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"That sure isn't Trump. I can't stand to listen to him anymore." - Muley


Yep. I just can't/won't support Trump.

It is like choosing wether to drink raw sewage or pee.

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PostSubject: Re: NRA endorses Trump   June 1st 2016, 7:05 pm

Voted in every national election beginning with 1960.  Sometimes the choices were not too good.  However, this time we have a choice between two world class sleazebags.
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PostSubject: Re: NRA endorses Trump   June 2nd 2016, 6:57 am

The trump tax plan is a real beauty. It gives a huge break for the top 1/10 of one percent. Which of course includes trump.

You ready for this. It will add 11 trillion dollars to the national debt. People who think trump is going to make it better for them better wake up. He doesn't care anything for anybody except himself.

The poor, middle class, and seniors will all suffer with trump.

The lack of capitalizing his name is on purpose. A cap takes respect and he deserves none.

We have a 3rd party and a Libertarian party we can vote for f we must vote. 3rd party will take votes from trump directly. I'm going that way. It will help Hillary. So be it.

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PostSubject: Re: NRA endorses Trump   June 11th 2016, 7:37 am

So my first post  ends up here ! I have read through all the comments and opinions here and do understand all the arguments pro/con. I actually spent time watching the debates of the Libertarian party candidates and they selected former Gov Johnson from NM (again) and Former Gov Weld from Mass. Well listening to them they should be signed up with Bernie ! There was one young guy, Austin Peterson who did actually sound worth-while but they went with their "Romney" a 2nd time. John McAFee was really interesting too!  affraid

So if you looking for a No-H or No-T go to this link and check out the other choices!
2016 Choices !

Sadly , Alfred E Newman has to still be a write-in !

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PostSubject: Re: NRA endorses Trump   June 11th 2016, 4:50 pm

I wanted to contribute an intelligent, well-thought-out and reasoned post about the election and our choices, so I came up with this:



And keeping with the seriousness of the topic:

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PostSubject: Re: NRA endorses Trump   June 11th 2016, 5:22 pm

They cried out for a king.............

I Samuel 8:6-20

6 Samuel was displeased when they said, “Give us a king to govern us.” So Samuel prayed to the Lord.

7 The Lord told Samuel, “Listen to the people in all that they say to you. In fact, it’s not you they have rejected, but rather they have rejected me from being their king. 8 Like all the things they have done from the day I brought them up out of Egypt until this very day, they have forsaken me and followed other gods. They’re also doing the same thing to you. 9 Now, listen to them, but you are to clearly warn them and inform them about how the king who rules over them will operate.”

10 Samuel reported everything the Lord told him to the people who were asking him for a king. 11 He said, “This is how the king who rules over you will operate: He will conscript your sons and assign them to his chariots. He will conscript them as his horsemen, and they’ll run in front of his chariots. 12 He will appoint his officers over thousands and officers over fifties—some will plow his fields, reap his harvest, and craft his war implements and equipment for his chariots. 13 He will take your daughters for perfumers, cooks, and bakers. 14 He will take the best products of your fields, your vineyards, and your olive groves and give them to his servants. 15 He will take a tenth of your seed and your vineyards and give it to his officers and servants. 16 He will take your male and female servants, your best young men, and your donkeys to do his work. 17 He will take a tenth of your flock, and you will become his servants. 18 When all of this comes about, you will cry out because of your king whom you chose for yourselves, but the Lord won’t answer you at that time.”

19 The people refused to listen to Samuel. Instead, they insisted, “No! Let a king rule over us instead! 20 We, too, will be like all the nations! Our king will govern us and go out before us to fight our battles.”

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