Frontier Muzzleloading
Welcome to Frontier Muzzleloading!

Please take the time to either Register or Log In to your user name and join us!


Muzzleloading Forum
 
HomeFAQRegisterLog in
Share
 

 Throwing your Ramrod onto the ball

Go down 
AuthorMessage
FrontierGander
Site
Site
FrontierGander

Male Number of posts : 16345
Age : 35
Location : Boncarbo,Colorado
Registration date : 2008-05-19

Throwing your Ramrod onto the ball Empty
PostSubject: Throwing your Ramrod onto the ball   Throwing your Ramrod onto the ball Empty2016-08-28, 18:27

Tried this out today but first I loaded it normally and with my upper body weight, leaned into the ramrod as usual to compress the powder. This works out roughly to around 70lbs of pressure on top of the ball.

The only mark on the face of the ball is from my short starter.
Throwing your Ramrod onto the ball Snapshot000000

Next I did that mumbo jumbo where you see guys using their ramrods and throwing them down on top of the ball to seat it. The old theory is that if the ramrod bounced, the ball was fully seated. I've tested this (Some years ago) with a ball 3/4 of the way down the barrel, completely aware it was no where close to being seated and guess what? It bounced! Where this theory came up, we'll never know.

Bouncing the ramrod to seat the ball consistently on the powder charge certainly is unattainable because there's not enough weight in the ramrod to seat a patched ball, nor is there any consistency because you are throwing it down the barrel with an unknown, inconsistent pressure with your hand.

In the end, all we did was look funny doing it!
Throwing your Ramrod onto the ball Snapshot000003

And in end, all we did was turn a round ball, into an off balanced semi wad cutter ball. Here's the same picture, only color adjusted to show the damage.
Throwing your Ramrod onto the ball Snapshot000002

Back to top Go down
patocazador

patocazador

Number of posts : 5852
Age : 76
Location : central Florida
Registration date : 2012-08-22

Throwing your Ramrod onto the ball Empty
PostSubject: Re: Throwing your Ramrod onto the ball   Throwing your Ramrod onto the ball Empty2016-08-28, 20:34

I found that I get the most consistent results with my .45 flintlock by dropping the rod from ~6" to seat the ball. When I used more pressure like I use with a percussion gun, the powder would compress and I got inconsistent ignition.

"Works for me."

_________________
Bob

"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government." -Thomas Jefferson
Back to top Go down
lighthorseman

lighthorseman

Male Number of posts : 702
Age : 65
Location : Harrison Idaho
Registration date : 2016-05-18

Throwing your Ramrod onto the ball Empty
PostSubject: Re: Throwing your Ramrod onto the ball   Throwing your Ramrod onto the ball Empty2016-08-28, 20:34

The best measure is a mark on the rod where the ball is seated, as well as where it is empty.....I do it on my ramrod as well as my wiping stick.

_________________
Doug
Christian Outdoor Leadership Training
Pathfinder Adventures


One page of history is worth more than a book of logic
Back to top Go down
FrontierGander
Site
Site
FrontierGander

Male Number of posts : 16345
Age : 35
Location : Boncarbo,Colorado
Registration date : 2008-05-19

Throwing your Ramrod onto the ball Empty
PostSubject: Re: Throwing your Ramrod onto the ball   Throwing your Ramrod onto the ball Empty2016-08-28, 20:37

Bob, that would have to be an awful loose fitting ball for the ramrod to seat on the powder to any degree.

I plan on doing more testing later on with the Ultimate Range rod and mark it along the way for any movement.
Back to top Go down
patocazador

patocazador

Number of posts : 5852
Age : 76
Location : central Florida
Registration date : 2012-08-22

Throwing your Ramrod onto the ball Empty
PostSubject: Re: Throwing your Ramrod onto the ball   Throwing your Ramrod onto the ball Empty2016-08-28, 20:41

Jon, I seat to the witness mark and stop. Then I raise the rod 6" and drop it to make sure the ball is on the powder but not compressing it.  No hangfires or other problems when I do it that way.

_________________
Bob

"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government." -Thomas Jefferson
Back to top Go down
OldMtnMan

OldMtnMan

Male Number of posts : 10418
Age : 76
Location : Buena Vista, Colorado
Registration date : 2010-09-23

Throwing your Ramrod onto the ball Empty
PostSubject: Re: Throwing your Ramrod onto the ball   Throwing your Ramrod onto the ball Empty2016-08-29, 06:18

I've always just put my shoulder on the ramrod. Probably not the safest way to do it, but it's consistent.

I'd see someone bouncing the ramrod and cringe. Black powder can fire with impact and it always bothered me.

_________________
Pete

I'm addicted to black powder.
Back to top Go down
Hanshi

Hanshi

Male Number of posts : 351
Age : 73
Location : Maine
Registration date : 2015-01-21

Throwing your Ramrod onto the ball Empty
PostSubject: "Throwing your ramrod" thread   Throwing your Ramrod onto the ball Empty2016-08-29, 17:13

For some reason the site wouldn't give me the option of a simple "REPLY" but DID give me the option of a new thread.  Sorry about this but it's the only way I was allowed to respond.

Anyway, I seat prb by pushing the ramrod a few inches at a time until I feel a slight "crunch" of the ball on powder.  I do this every time for consistency.  I'll admit to gently "tapping" the rod on the ball once in a while but I never throw the rod or put my weight on it.
Back to top Go down
http://www.martialartsusa.com
FrontierGander
Site
Site
FrontierGander

Male Number of posts : 16345
Age : 35
Location : Boncarbo,Colorado
Registration date : 2008-05-19

Throwing your Ramrod onto the ball Empty
PostSubject: Re: Throwing your Ramrod onto the ball   Throwing your Ramrod onto the ball Empty2016-08-29, 17:27

Thats odd! Is there a box at the bottom of the thread for a quick reply area?
Back to top Go down
Hanshi

Hanshi

Male Number of posts : 351
Age : 73
Location : Maine
Registration date : 2015-01-21

Throwing your Ramrod onto the ball Empty
PostSubject: Re: Throwing your Ramrod onto the ball   Throwing your Ramrod onto the ball Empty2016-08-29, 17:35

No, there was not.  Oddly, after starting a new thread one did appear next to the "topic" button.  Dunno
Back to top Go down
http://www.martialartsusa.com
FrontierGander
Site
Site
FrontierGander

Male Number of posts : 16345
Age : 35
Location : Boncarbo,Colorado
Registration date : 2008-05-19

Throwing your Ramrod onto the ball Empty
PostSubject: Re: Throwing your Ramrod onto the ball   Throwing your Ramrod onto the ball Empty2016-08-29, 18:23

Most likely a glitch. No biggy!
Back to top Go down
Hanshi

Hanshi

Male Number of posts : 351
Age : 73
Location : Maine
Registration date : 2015-01-21

Throwing your Ramrod onto the ball Empty
PostSubject: Re: Throwing your Ramrod onto the ball   Throwing your Ramrod onto the ball Empty2016-08-30, 12:01

Yeah, that was my thinking, too.
Back to top Go down
http://www.martialartsusa.com
Hilljack

Hilljack

Male Number of posts : 234
Age : 68
Location : Central Florida
Registration date : 2014-04-03

Throwing your Ramrod onto the ball Empty
PostSubject: Re: Throwing your Ramrod onto the ball   Throwing your Ramrod onto the ball Empty2016-08-30, 18:38

Consistency is the key to good shooting with BP as we all know....I look at the mechanics and pressing down on the rod with firm pressure and not jarring the load with throwing the ramrod on top of the load...Not saying the method doesn't work, but could have questionable results...in the matter of a hunter or plinker the changes may not be noticeable...Where the difference will probably be seen is the methods that people use if they are competitors, and most of these do not bounce their rods on top of the load...And they will be looking for small points or X's...With myself I like to press the ball down on the load with firm pressure...Thanks for reading my thoughts and opinions....

YMHS
Hilljack
Back to top Go down
Sharpsman

Sharpsman

Male Number of posts : 525
Age : 79
Location : Clear Lake, Louisiana
Registration date : 2016-02-13

Throwing your Ramrod onto the ball Empty
PostSubject: Re: Throwing your Ramrod onto the ball   Throwing your Ramrod onto the ball Empty2016-09-02, 23:56

With some black powder brands they perform best with being slightly compressed!
Back to top Go down
OldMtnMan

OldMtnMan

Male Number of posts : 10418
Age : 76
Location : Buena Vista, Colorado
Registration date : 2010-09-23

Throwing your Ramrod onto the ball Empty
PostSubject: Re: Throwing your Ramrod onto the ball   Throwing your Ramrod onto the ball Empty2016-09-03, 07:40

Compressed yes. Hammered no.

I'll repeat it. Black powder can be fired from impact.

_________________
Pete

I'm addicted to black powder.
Back to top Go down
falcon

falcon

Male Number of posts : 1563
Age : 80
Location : Southwest, Oklahoma
Registration date : 2012-05-28

Throwing your Ramrod onto the ball Empty
PostSubject: Re: Throwing your Ramrod onto the ball   Throwing your Ramrod onto the ball Empty2016-09-07, 18:05

i have hundreds of Civil War battle field pickup bullets.  About 20 percent of the noses are bashed from being whanged with  ramrods.  So much for the Minie bullets being easy to load.
Back to top Go down
 
Throwing your Ramrod onto the ball
Back to top 
Page 1 of 1

Permissions in this forum:You cannot reply to topics in this forum
Frontier Muzzleloading :: Muzzleloading Topic :: Traditional Muzzleloading-
Jump to: