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PostSubject: Double trouble arrived today   Double trouble arrived today Empty2016-09-06, 13:54

Well I was getting some hunting stuff ready when I heard Fedex drop a package off Double trouble arrived today Nonono2

A huge box that weighed about 20lbs ( no not really but felt like it) and I am scratching my head wondering....

What could those be!!
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The new Traditions Mountain Rifles had arrived!
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Yes, I swabbed the percussion out, lubed the lock and took it shooting. First 2 shots out of a NEW rifle from the box printed 1 1/2" at 50 yards with the first load I tried. I just finished adjusting the sight up a bit so hopefully it will be close.
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Are they both .50 cal.? You already have one, don't you?

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PostSubject: Re: Double trouble arrived today   Double trouble arrived today Empty2016-09-06, 14:01

They are both 50s. I have 2 of the hawken woodsman rifles. These are brand new models and as far as i know, im the first to pull the trigger and start the testing.
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PostSubject: Re: Double trouble arrived today   Double trouble arrived today Empty2016-09-06, 14:04

Well, I, for one, am jealous! alien

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Those are very nice rifles.
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PostSubject: Re: Double trouble arrived today   Double trouble arrived today Empty2016-09-06, 18:49

Love it already! I am bringing this one hunting as well. Both the Hawken Woodsman and the new Mountain Rifle shoot the same loads beautifully. I do prefer the sights on the Mountain Rifle. They are a lot easier for my eye to adjust on.

50 yards - Jim Shockeys Gold - .490" round balls - .015" Patches lubed with Frontier's Anti-Rust & Patch Lube.
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75 yards
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The color of the barrel is hard to explain. It does have a very light brown touch to it, depending on what lighting condition you are in, other times, it has a gray color to it as shown below in full light. Yet on the next picture below in low light conditions, it has a very distinct brown color.
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PostSubject: Re: Double trouble arrived today   Double trouble arrived today Empty2016-09-06, 19:33

Nice rifles you have there and the cap/gun appears to be shooter also.

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PostSubject: Re: Double trouble arrived today   Double trouble arrived today Empty2016-09-06, 19:41

I'm looking at the Lyman GPR on my wall as I read this. It is hard to compare the photo of the new Traditions Mountain rifle to the actual GPR. What is your take on the comparison of the two rifles?
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I think the Traditions is closer to the real Hawken.

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If you don't like those rifles, you are on the wrong forum.

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PostSubject: Re: Double trouble arrived today   Double trouble arrived today Empty2016-09-06, 21:42

Ron, its to early to tell. I just shot the percussion model so far. The stocks I do like better than lyman as well as the triggers.

One bad so far is the ramrod. They are beechwood and these if you are not careful, can snap pretty easily due to the amount of flex they have in them. I got by for years with them, but just a heads up to everyone else.
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PostSubject: Re: Double trouble arrived today   Double trouble arrived today Empty2016-09-06, 21:43

Jon
Im curious on how you will like the flinter. Im wanting another flinter as I have a GPR in 54 that has had the L&R lock put in it along with davis deerslayer triggers. Been kind of wanting one in a long rifle but the Hawken style rifle is still what I like the most. Al

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I'll let you know Al! I just got 2lbs of Olde Eynsford in today so I am looking forward to testing it in the MR. So far the flintlock has sparked excellent with almost no damage on the face of the frizzen. This one is a lot harder than my other 2 flintlocks frizzens thats for sure.
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PostSubject: Re: Double trouble arrived today   Double trouble arrived today Empty2016-09-07, 08:22

Here are some Hawkin and Gemmer family rifles in the Cody museum. I am using these rifles to compare to the Traditions, mostly out of curiosity about whether Traditions modeled their new mountain rifle from the Hawkins.
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Ron............Hawken tongue

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PostSubject: Re: Double trouble arrived today   Double trouble arrived today Empty2016-09-07, 09:24

They actually did use the hawken style butt plate, it even has the rounded corners which was a real surprise considering what a pain in the ass it is to do.
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Ron............Hawken  tongue
I can't believe I did that! Embarassed Thanks for the correction. :tup2 I will not repeat that transgression.

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@Jotjackson wrote:
If you don't like those rifles, you are on the wrong forum.
Since I really don't mess with them, and stay mostly with the inlines, and SML, I'm in the wrong place. So be it.
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@cvilorio wrote:
@Jotjackson wrote:
If you don't like those rifles, you are on the wrong forum.
Since I really don't mess with them, and stay mostly with the inlines, and SML, I'm in the wrong place. So be it.

That's why we have separate sub forums for everybody. I'm guessing to hang out mostly in the smokeless forum Carlos. However, everybody is free to post on any forum.

Although, not liking a Hawken is un-American. Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Double trouble arrived today   Double trouble arrived today Empty2016-09-07, 15:16

well I have a report to make.

I had some trouble with the percussion lock today that threw me off.

Every time i'd tighten the screws, the lock panel at the rear would bulge out!

After fiddling around I just about slapped myself for not recognizing the problem earlier!

The rear lock screw was a little to long and hit the hammer, causing the jammer to jam up and the lock to twist! LOL. Common issue with percussion locks when the screws are just a touch to long. I asked my brother to shorten it a bit for me and after he did, everything was perfect.

Now to check the flintlock and see if that has this issue.
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Sorry, but that should have been caught when it was built. The curse of production guns. Not everybody who buys a gun is mechanically inclined. Stuff like this is piss poor quality control.

Rant over. pirat

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Jonathan, is it possible that the 2 lock screws are different sizes? Just switch the screws.
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He'll never tell us that if it's true Ron. Very Happy

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Are either of those Mountain Rifles 48-twist?
What do they weigh?
Is that barrel length 32"?
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No, they are both the same length, I compared them too as I have run into that with some earlier production MR's from CVA. I've had to trim screws on lyman as well, so its pretty much a typical thing to run into. Even had to trim lock screws on a custom made gun I bought some years ago.

The FLINTLOCK is amazing! I had 2 flash in the pans and one fail to fire.

The first 2 flash in the pans were caused by me forgetting powder headslap

The fail to fire was fixed by rubbing my thumb across the frizzen to wipe the heavy fouling off.

Recoil is straight back and easy on you, not much barrel jump at all. I had a blast with it today. I will however have to file a good deal of the front sight down. I am maxed out and still about 3" low of where I want to be at 50 yards.

Ignition wise, she likes about 3 grains of 4fg. Olde Eynsford was very clean burning as well but I noticed at the muzzle, loading was very stiff to the point I got my range rod so I wouldn't chance breaking my wooden ramrod.
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Ron 
I thought the picture of those rifles were the ones you had on your wall you told me about. Jonathan your way to young to be using that forget to put powder in the gun line. Al

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I was excited lol. That flinter was a lot of fun.
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Ron 
I thought the picture of those rifles were the ones you had on your wall you told me about. Jonathan your way to young to be using that forget to put powder in the gun line. Al
Al, I have photos from 2 visits to the Cody museum. They include weapons that were on loan from the Smithsonian. Regrettably for me, the Smithsonian firearms had to go back.
The Cody collection is fabulous! They have firearms going back to the 1400s and others representing every major war involving the USA.
Also, there are Hollywood guns, holsters and gun belts - those from Bonanza, Have Gun Will Travel, and more.
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Well I knew it would happen! Reloading the second shot today with the flintlock, that flexy ramrod broke a few inches above my hand while pushing a ball down. Not sure how it broke above, but it did. Luckily it didn't break below or in my hand because that hurts!

Not a big deal, I knew the ramrods were much to flexy and at some point, will break. I'll be ordering hickory ramrods for all the rifles before hunting season.
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Wood?

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After looking at this gun again Jon I wonder why they didnt use all the same for the hardware. Either all brass or all iron. Not sure about the combination of the two. Al

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GRRW 58 cal
Lyman GPR 54 cal flintlock L&R lock davis deerslayer trigger
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brown and silver goes together nicely. I probably will pull the wedge key plates off some time and polish them nice more of a pop.
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