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PostSubject: Mountain Rifle Sneaks into the House and Decided to Stay   Mountain Rifle Sneaks into the House and Decided to Stay Empty2016-09-28, 19:57

I had resolved not to buy any more front stuffers for a while. After all, I have several of them in a variety of types.
I failed at my resolution. Crying or Very sad I saw a "Hawken" "Mountain Rifle" offered for sale, a really lovely piece. The asking price was reasonable, but too high for my hobby budget. It didn't sell and the price kept dropping until it was too much for me to bear. A nice little consulting project came my way and made it possible to buy this rifle if I could convince my wife that I was under the control of metaphysical powers that drove me to an irresistible urge to add to my collection.
And, here is is:
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It is a .50 cal. I would have preferred a .54, but that is what it had. Tom Watson built it for his son who has now built his own rifle.
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PostSubject: Re: Mountain Rifle Sneaks into the House and Decided to Stay   Mountain Rifle Sneaks into the House and Decided to Stay Empty2016-09-28, 20:11

Gorgeous!

But you got to learn to fight those metaphysical forces that twist and bend you will.  You might find that same rifle in a .54. Then what'll you do??!!  The horror!
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Congrats, that is  beautiful rifle.
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What a beauty, congratulations.
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PostSubject: Re: Mountain Rifle Sneaks into the House and Decided to Stay   Mountain Rifle Sneaks into the House and Decided to Stay Empty2016-09-28, 21:24

Ron she's a beauty. Hope it won't be long before you get the chance to shoot her. Do me a favor though. Check the stock in the 3rd pic right at the front of the lock. Hope that's the wood and not what it appears to be.

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PostSubject: Re: Mountain Rifle Sneaks into the House and Decided to Stay   Mountain Rifle Sneaks into the House and Decided to Stay Empty2016-09-28, 21:42

Ray,
Thank you for pointing it out. There is a flaw there and I asked about it before purchasing. According to the builder, Tom, he stabilized it to make certain there would be no failure. There is a similar line just above  where the ram rod enters the stock. That one is barely noticeable and Tom is the one who pointed it out.
The rifle has been well used by Tom's son in tournaments and those are the only 2 flaws.

It has an original (NOS) 1" Sharon Barrel. The length over all is 49.5" the barrel length is 32.5". The final finish is many coats of Tru-Oil. The length of pull is 14.5" (a little long for me). The weight is 9.6 #. The Lock is a new L & R  with an L & R double set trigger.

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Just didn't know if you knew Ron. If it's taken care of you shouldn't have any problems. Good luck and let us know how she shoots.

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Ron

absolutely beautiful rifle...........and with a gun that pretty I could live with a .50 cal. easily!

t up

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PostSubject: Re: Mountain Rifle Sneaks into the House and Decided to Stay   Mountain Rifle Sneaks into the House and Decided to Stay Empty2016-09-29, 06:34

Wonderful piece...you should be very proud....Those forces can be very hard to combat, but they always give you that AWWWW feeling....Congrats...

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Congrats Ron! There is always room for "just" one more!  Very nice Hawken, beautiful wood.

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Every time I say Im not gonna buy anymore Ron I fail. Nice to know Im not alone. I will be one of the lucky ones here I bet I will see that next time we go to the range. Looks good Ron as it did yours it also caught my eye when it went up for sale. Al

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I don't know if I'm getting better.....but currently I'm saving up to buy my wife a short barreled flintlock smoothie.......no really.....no it's not for me!.....honest Rolling Eyes

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PostSubject: Re: Mountain Rifle Sneaks into the House and Decided to Stay   Mountain Rifle Sneaks into the House and Decided to Stay Empty2016-09-29, 08:56

lighthorseman,
I keep telling my wife that I am going to buy her this or that firearm. She sees right through me. Mad

I think that she holds a grudge from the time she visited me when I was working in South Africa and I introduced her as my "American wife."
Here she is last year at a Colorado Greyhound Adoption function. Keep in mind that she is only a year younger than I am:
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She is very sensitive to my behavior and becomes angry at trivial things, like this:
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She is small, at 5', but our son, who was an MMA fighter and a submission grappling champion, has learned never to make her angry:
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Yep. Now, y'all know why I am the way I am. Rolling Eyes 
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PostSubject: Re: Mountain Rifle Sneaks into the House and Decided to Stay   Mountain Rifle Sneaks into the House and Decided to Stay Empty2016-09-29, 14:28

Beautiful wood and I really like the matte finish on the metal.

Why did she hit your son instead of you? Mothers love their sons much more than their husbands. :shh

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I ducked. Very Happy 

Actually, that was after an MMA meet he was in. The other guy looked worse.
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Tom Watson does great work! Laughing cheers :suhlute
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PostSubject: Re: Mountain Rifle Sneaks into the House and Decided to Stay   Mountain Rifle Sneaks into the House and Decided to Stay Empty2016-10-10, 13:28

What a beautiful mountain rifle!

My dear friend in Blanco, Texas built my mountain rifle from a CVA kit he got back around 1978, and hunted with it every year until he sold it to me a few years back.

Your mountain rifle is the only one I've seen that I thought was a pretty as mine. I can't seem to post a photo in here, sorry.


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PostSubject: Re: Mountain Rifle Sneaks into the House and Decided to Stay   Mountain Rifle Sneaks into the House and Decided to Stay Empty2016-10-10, 14:49

Oh, those rascally rifles. 
Sneaking into your safe. 
IDK how that happens. 

Nice looking rifle, though.
Grats!

Think you could let one into my safe? Very Happy

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I guess it's not going to let me post a photo. Anyway, you have a beautiful Mountain Rifle! I couldn't help noticing how it has the same paint job as the dogs your wife is posing with.
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PostSubject: Re: Mountain Rifle Sneaks into the House and Decided to Stay   Mountain Rifle Sneaks into the House and Decided to Stay Empty2016-10-11, 21:01

@Dead-Eye wrote:
I guess it's not going to let me post a photo. Anyway, you have a beautiful Mountain Rifle! I couldn't help noticing how it has the same paint job as the dogs your wife is posing with.
But the dogs shoot out the other end!
I would like to see your rifle once you work out the logistics of posting a photo.

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I seem to be doing everything right, and the photo is just 152kb, so it's pretty frustrating! I'll keep trying.
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Is that a walnut stock? The stain has brought out the figure in the wood. I suppose that it has an after-market refinishing of the stock.

Did you add the patch box and medallion?

Very nice.
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Looks like one of the guns Jon built.

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nuh uh, it would have a browned barrel had I done it king
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I remember you doing one blued, but I agree it should be browned.

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No, I bought it pretty much the way you see it, with the exception of the coin in the stock. The stock is either walnut or cherry. I'll need to check it carefully to tell. The previous owner, Shandy, had an 1897 coin custom-fitted into the stock, and part of the deal was that he kept the coin. I've been trying to figure out what coin it was, so I could fill the hole exactly, but I haven't been successful until recently, when I bought an 1879 liberty silver dollar. I still have to  complete that inlay job. The coin you see in it right now looks quite good, but it's a 2000 liberty dollar piece. Not very old.

The barrel is like new inside. 

My dear friend Shandy from Texas said he built this rifle from a CVA kit that came out in 1978. He said he spent a lot of time finding extras for it, which, as far as I can tell, means "bling," if you'll excuse the term. However, I've seen the stone-stock mountain rifle with the pewter parts from that kit, and I have to admit that I like what he did to it. He did a re-stain and refinish and in general refurbishing a year or two before I bought it from him. He said he hadn't done any finish work on it since it was first built, so it really needed it. 

Now, I can say with certainty that this rifle has harvested many a deer, as in Texas we usually have somewhere around 11 deer tags placed around the edges of our hunting licenses each year (Funny little deer, great big horns, about the size of a medium dog, took two or even three of them to equal one white-tail or black-tail deer.), and Shandy was an avid hunter. He said he shot a bunch of deer every single year with it, and that it's real accurate.  He was right about that. It took about 8 years to talk him into selling it to me! Sadly, I don't get the opportunity to shoot it here in Washington state as much; not like I did there in Texas. But I don't think I've ever had a rifle that looked this good over my mantle! :rtup

Truthfully, I'm a little ashamed that I turned a hard-working rifle into a wall-hanger. But not so much that I'd give it back!


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You're in Washington. Go elk hunting with it.

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Muley wrote:
You're in Washington. Go elk hunting with it.

You ain't just whistlin' Dixie! I'm fairly new here, trying to meet other smokepole shooters in my area, and the regulations here are insane. I'm pretty sure you have be a lawyer here to hunt. Dunno   Hunting Elk here is my plan, to be sure, and they do have a primitive weapons season here for Elk.
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That is a gorgeous ML Ron. Makes my wall-hanger, brassy Traditions Shenandoah long-rifle look like a dollar store ML.....lol
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I am interested in the medallion, too?

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KFC,
The coin with the coppery/brassy look you see in the stock is (edited!) just a standard Liberty one-dollar piece, mint date 2000, not much bigger than a quarter. Sacagawea's face is on the front. I actually got it in my change from the store with my quarters! It has a nice look. I just edited this, because I realized it was a one-dollar coin, not a two-dollar.
What I bought to replace it was a Morgan Silver dollar with an 1879 date. Lady Liberty's face on the front, a spread eagle on the back. You can get them on EBay for anywhere from 10 to 50 dollars, depending upon the condition. I saw one on there that still looked pretty good, saw the auction was about to end in three minutes, and the bidding was at 13 bucks with no reserve. I bid 14 or 15 bucks as quickly as I could, and a minute later a I got a notice announcing that I was the winner. "Well, that was easy," I said. Something like 18 bucks total with shipping.  Not sure if I should have it "rolled" to follow the stock contour, but it's big enough that I'm considering it. Then the real work begins.
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@RonC wrote:
Is that a walnut stock? The stain has brought out the figure in the wood. I suppose that it has an after-market refinishing of the stock.

Did you add the patch box and medallion?

Very nice.
Ron
Ron, I just took it down and studied it some, and I'm convinced it's neither cherry nor Walnut. It's way too light for walnut, I can tell you that. Has no weight to it. I'm unfamiliar with the wood. What type of wood is your stock?
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early models used maple, especially that year with the 4 screw patch box.
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You know, I just realized that these may look alike, but your rifle is a gen-U-ine GRRW rifle, isn't it, Ron? I can't believe I didn't spot that front stock. Weren't their Indian Trade Rifles made with that style of finish?

Nice!

FG, I think you're right. That's maple grain I'm looking at. The dark stain threw me off.
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Dead-Eye, the barrel is a Sharon. My understanding is that GRRW and Sharon were around for a short period at the same time.
According to the builder:
It has an original 1" Sharon Barrel stamped with the name on the top flat. It has a beautiful CM 4 heavily striped stock and has been stained with LMF maple. The stripe is iridescent, and changes in the sun. The length over all is 49.5" the barrel length is 32.5". The final finish is many coats of Tru-Oil.



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@RonC wrote:
Dead-Eye, the barrel is a Sharon. My understanding is that GRRW and Sharon were around for a short period at the same time.
According to the builder:
It has an original 1" Sharon Barrel stamped with the name on the top flat. It has a beautiful CM 4 heavily striped stock and has been stained with LMF maple. The stripe is iridescent, and changes in the sun. The length over all is 49.5" the barrel length is 32.5". The final finish is many coats of Tru-Oil.

Ron
It's super-detailed up close, as nice as they come. Custom-deluxe, to be sure. I love that finish, and the matte metal.
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It does come with a problem. Now, when I go to Rendezvous, the ladies will notice the attractive rifle before they notice me. Laughing 
Actually, I gave up on them noticing me a long time ago. Very Happy My wife makes certain of that!
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Stuff the rifle in your pants and the women will start looking again.

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I'm happy to have my lady, and I'm happy to have my rifles. Isn't this what we worked all our lives for?

That doesn't mean you can't hang for a while with Annie Oakley if you run into her at the Rendezvous!

You know, discussing loads, trajectories, tips and tricks. . . :rtup
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