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PostSubject: Traded unmentionable, modern firearm for Traditional Flintlock   Traded unmentionable, modern firearm for Traditional Flintlock EmptyDecember 15th 2016, 7:11 pm

I swapped a new-fangled, cartridge firearm for a Schimmel, poor boy flintlock, Pennsylvania-style rifle. This type rifle often is called a barn rifle.

Poor boy is not a model name. It's a term used to describe a very basic gun, a working man's gun used around a farm and hunting for meat. Others terms used would be "barn gun" or "Schimmel" which is a German word meaning moldy. Typically they don't have muzzle-caps or butt plates. They were the work horse of many farms - a very plain  gun left where the farmer could have access to it quickly to eliminate pests or the larder needed refilling.

I have several flintlocks with 39 to 40 inch barrels, but never have owned a rifle with a 42 inch barrel like this Schimmel. That is one characteristic that made it appealing to me.

It has a maple stock, sliding wood patchbox, no buttplate. The barrel is Colerain, 13/16 across the flats, and lock is L&R Durs Egg. Iron mounted southern style.


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PostSubject: Re: Traded unmentionable, modern firearm for Traditional Flintlock   Traded unmentionable, modern firearm for Traditional Flintlock EmptyDecember 15th 2016, 7:55 pm

That's a hell of a good looking so called "poor boy"! What caliber is it Ron? Smoothie?

Looks like it has some wormy wood which IMO is a cool treat to see. That gives it a lot of character!
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PostSubject: Re: Traded unmentionable, modern firearm for Traditional Flintlock   Traded unmentionable, modern firearm for Traditional Flintlock EmptyDecember 15th 2016, 8:52 pm

It is a rifled barrel in 45 cal. The iron furniture is browned. As a result, I had to clean up some "rust" when I first received it.
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PostSubject: Re: Traded unmentionable, modern firearm for Traditional Flintlock   Traded unmentionable, modern firearm for Traditional Flintlock EmptyDecember 15th 2016, 9:20 pm

Looks cool Ron. Now if this is what I get to look forward to in retired life Im thinking I might do it tomorrow. Laughing Al

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PostSubject: Re: Traded unmentionable, modern firearm for Traditional Flintlock   Traded unmentionable, modern firearm for Traditional Flintlock EmptyDecember 15th 2016, 9:44 pm

Beautiful! Ron, who built it?.....it looks like it could be a Jackie Brown gun. Love the sliding patchbox, I've one on my smooth rifle......I find the balance on the longer barrel guns very comfortable.

Congratulations!

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PostSubject: Re: Traded unmentionable, modern firearm for Traditional Flintlock   Traded unmentionable, modern firearm for Traditional Flintlock EmptyDecember 15th 2016, 9:52 pm

Excellent eye! You are absolutely correct, Doug. It was built by Jackie Brown. He is a very interesting fellow.
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We have a "leftie" Jackie built for the ministry. It's really a "proto type" to see if we will want him to build another couple dozen for our students...........yes interesting! t up

Jackie actually made the barrel for my smooth rifle......a really nice octagon to round with a really sharp wedding band. I like it that it has thicker walls than normal smooth bores. It's 46" long!

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PostSubject: Re: Traded unmentionable, modern firearm for Traditional Flintlock   Traded unmentionable, modern firearm for Traditional Flintlock EmptyDecember 16th 2016, 5:00 am

Ron ya did good on that very good lookn barn gun.Time to make some smoke now.Let us know how she shoots. t up
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PostSubject: Re: Traded unmentionable, modern firearm for Traditional Flintlock   Traded unmentionable, modern firearm for Traditional Flintlock EmptyDecember 16th 2016, 6:46 am

I like it Ron!  I'll bet it will be a fun shooter too!  The patch box is a nice little extra detail.

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PostSubject: Re: Traded unmentionable, modern firearm for Traditional Flintlock   Traded unmentionable, modern firearm for Traditional Flintlock EmptyDecember 16th 2016, 8:51 am

After buying a very nice mountain rifle in the last few months, there was little left in the hobby funds. So, when I saw the possibility for a trade, my interest peaked!
Fact is, I haven't fired a cartridge gun for some time due to my infatuation with the front stuffers.
Those modern guns are just a fad, anyway. They will never catch on. Very Happy 
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You can store that in my barn.

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The Colonel's barn: Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Traded unmentionable, modern firearm for Traditional Flintlock   Traded unmentionable, modern firearm for Traditional Flintlock EmptyDecember 16th 2016, 12:04 pm

Looks like the Colonel's barn roof is going to need some shingles.

Beautiful piece there Ron. Ingenious gun hanger there too. Cool
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GoexBlackhorn wrote:

Beautiful piece there Ron. Ingenious gun hanger there too. Cool
I only use the high end, quality materials. Smile
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Jackie has actually sold quite few guns from the worm eaten wood....mostly barn guns/poorboys. Really brings the "believability" factor way up for a poor backwoodsman or frontier farmer. Years ago I was more inclined to go that direction myself, but doing 1750's colonial living history led me in the direction of an upper middle class landed gentleman and local provincial militia commander. The guns we buy from Jackie will go to outfit militia and native allies/enemies.

Ron, look forward to seeing the rest of your shooting gear...i.e. shooting bag, horn etc. :rtup

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PostSubject: Re: Traded unmentionable, modern firearm for Traditional Flintlock   Traded unmentionable, modern firearm for Traditional Flintlock EmptyDecember 16th 2016, 3:52 pm

Doug,
Do you mean items like this:
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All that is on the table (except for the guard cat) came with my first, good muzzleloader.
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Closer up:
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This is the first good muzzleloader rifle I had:
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Yep!...pretty much!  Nice poll axe! t up Here's mine! Started out as a spike axe, but smithie friend of mine made it into a poll axe.....awesome for splitting a breast bone and pelvic.
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@RonC wrote:
After buying a very nice mountain rifle in the last few months, there was little left in the hobby funds. So, when I saw the possibility for a trade, my interest peaked!
Fact is, I haven't fired a cartridge gun for some time due to my infatuation with the front stuffers.
Those modern guns are just a fad, anyway. They will never catch on. Very Happy 
Ron
Easy now Ron I caught hell for the fad thing. I posted a quote from the world champ of BPCR who said smokless is a passing fad and caught hell from the smokeless people. It was all tonque and cheek but I raised smoke hackles none the less. Al

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John Bergmann 54 cal Hawken
GRRW 50 cal
GRRW 58 cal
Lyman GPR 54 cal flintlock L&R lock davis deerslayer trigger
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CVA Hawken 58 cal by Jonathan
Hawken Squirrel Rifle 40 cal by John Bergman
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Thank you, my friend. :tup2 I appreciate the warning. Nowadays, though, I do enjoy stirring the pot. Twisted Evil Very Happy Plus, my skin has grown thicker as I have grown older.
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Congrats on the  very nice flint lock rifle.
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@RonC wrote:
The Colonel's barn: Very Happy
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Oh, yes. Thats my barn. I'll get right on those shingles. (Boy! Talk about the 'glass half empty! Laughing)

But, Ron? Here is my old Kentucky home. 

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Love the shop pic and the shop tabby.
We share a love old WWI and WWII aircraft. 
I loved the Grumman Wildcats, RAF Spitfires, 
bi-planes, Ligntings, and Mustangs.

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"We share a love old WWI and WWII aircraft. 
I loved the Grumman Wildcats, RAF Spitfires, 
bi-planes, Ligntings, and Mustangs."


My dad was a Navy pilot in WWII but never left the States. He was 23 when Pearl Harbor happened and was considered too old to fly combat. They made him an instructor and he spent the war in Pensacola teaching newbies to take off and land from barges that simulated a carrier's deck.

They used pre-war Curtiss planes until they got Grumman Hellcats.

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There was a 95 year old gentleman in my cardiac rehab group after heart surgery. 95! He was a B17 pilot during the last year of WWII. We talked extensively (after the rehab session, of course).
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A gentleman I was in ministry (Trinity Trail Riders) with in Denver with was the #1 P38 Ace in the European theater. My wife and I cared for a retired Col. who flew P51's in South Pacific. My step-father was a belly gunner in a B17....great stories....brave fellows all!

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