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PostSubject: 3 Deer. 3 Misfires. With BH209! Question.   December 18th 2016, 1:47 pm

So, this morning, a friend was driving for me, and out pops a pretty little doe at about 50 yards. I line up on her shoulder, squeeze the trigger, and hear "pop!" No fire.

I was afraid more deer were coming so I reseated the bullet and powder and replaced the primer. Sure enough, a buck walks out at about 100 yds. I put my sight on his shoulder and pulled the trigger and... NOTHING. Just click. No pop. I saw another buck pop out immediately, re cocked and tried again, and only got a click again. I unloaded and reloaded and tried different primers and still couldn't get ignition, even after two more tries with my primers, though I did end up popping my bullet out the muzzle. I did check my flash channel and it looked pretty clear. FINALLY, I had the bright idea to fire a couple primers down my barrel. Then I reloaded, and was able to get a trouble-free ignition.

This has never happened to me before and it's most disturbing. I'd like to get to the bottom of it and hopefully never have it happen again.

Here's the details.

I'm shooting a Traditions Pursuit Ultralight, loaded with 110gr BH209, and using Fiocchi primers and a 260 sabotted Harvester.

Here's what I THINK I did wrong. 5 days ago, I was hunting and it was really nasty, with freezing rain and sleet. The dewpoint was the temperature all morning. At one point, it was raining enough that I pulled out a latex glove and put it over the muzzle. I knocked off without seeing any deer came home, and brought my gun in with me. I did NOT unload it. Then, last night, I pushed the load out from breech to muzzle, and then immediately reloaded with a fresh sabot and powder. I did NOT fire a couple primers down the barrel because I had already done that on Monday and hadn't cleaned the gun yet.

To make matters worse, it was very warm yesterday, and very wet in the evening, but the temperature fell to the upper 20's this morning.

So, what what do you experts think happened? I THINK I got moisture in the barrel on Monday and in letting it sit, I left moist BH209 at the bottom of the barrel. I may have gotten some moisture inside the breech plug too, either directly or condensation. I think the solution is to immediately push the load out after a wet hunt, run a patch through, and either clean the gun or, if hunting just a few days later, just fire a couple primers down to make sure it's dry. Thoughts?

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PostSubject: Re: 3 Deer. 3 Misfires. With BH209! Question.   December 18th 2016, 6:20 pm

So the 209 primer did not fire?
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PostSubject: Re: 3 Deer. 3 Misfires. With BH209! Question.   December 18th 2016, 6:27 pm

First time, it did, but no ignition. Second time it didn't seem to. Which is weird.
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PostSubject: Re: 3 Deer. 3 Misfires. With BH209! Question.   December 18th 2016, 6:35 pm

if 209 didn't fire you have some other issue going on, did you look at primer to see if it fired should be able to tell...definitely need to unload and clean after a wet or very damp day though.
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PostSubject: Re: 3 Deer. 3 Misfires. With BH209! Question.   December 19th 2016, 9:30 am

I personally would use a better primer setup like the CCI M or Winchester W209. Run a 1/8" drill bit down that flash channel as well and clean it out good.
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PostSubject: Re: 3 Deer. 3 Misfires. With BH209! Question.   December 19th 2016, 9:51 am

FG, I thought Fiocchi's were good. This is the first problem I've had with them (still on the last 20 from my first box). Also, I had only fired one shot and a couple primers since my last flash channel cleaning. I figured I was good until the next cleaning, at least.

Is it possible that the moisture messed with the primers too? Maybe leaking into the flash channel? Or possibly condensation?

I'm actually thinking that I may have accidentally gotten MORE moisture into the barrel by putting the latex glove over it. Water may have run down the barrel, gotten into the glove and then rolled in when I slung the gun. Then possibly made worse by condensation when I came in from 32 degrees into a 70 degree kitchen?

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PostSubject: Re: 3 Deer. 3 Misfires. With BH209! Question.   December 19th 2016, 9:55 am

highly possible that condensation got into it. I just don't trust the fiocchi primers near as much as a w209 and especially a cci 209 m.

You could try an experiment and clean the gun fully and put it outside the same way you had it, bring it in and then fire it and see if it does it again. That will give you some clues where the issue could be coming from.
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PostSubject: Re: 3 Deer. 3 Misfires. With BH209! Question.   December 19th 2016, 10:15 am

Fire a couple primers before loading.
Keep that barrel dry during the hunt.
Don't wait "until enough rain falls" to cover the muzzle. That muzzle should have been covered when the rain started.

I only hunt in light rains, not medium nor heavy rains. Plus every time I'm out there in the rain, I'll fire my weapon after the hunt. In situations like yours, I'll fire after the morning hunt - then again after the evening hunt.

The two hottest primers are Federal 209A and CCI-M(ag)
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PostSubject: Re: 3 Deer. 3 Misfires. With BH209! Question.   December 19th 2016, 10:25 am

I should have emptied that breech immediately, no matter what, and then swabbed it. Then, per usual, shot the primers prior to reloading. I was thinking that the sabot would keep the moisture out. I'm now thinking that an anal approach is best... unless I LIKE clicking at deer rather than actually shooting them! LOL

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PostSubject: Re: 3 Deer. 3 Misfires. With BH209! Question.   December 19th 2016, 11:43 am

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I hunted in moist Michigan / Great Lakes region type-weather in 2015 and twice encountered hangfires with Blackhorn 209 and the hottest Federal 209A primers in both my T/C Omega and Knight Vision, both with sealed ignition systems.

I switched to my Goex FFF this season and that powder fires instantly / every time for me.  The good thing about Blackhorn is-it will dry-out and not affect it's future performance. So if you ever face damp Blackhorn again, don't discard it. It's reusable once it dries - so save the dried out powder for a future range day.

Me?..... I'm back to real blackpowder 100% of the time again. Quit the Pyrodex, 777 and American Pioneer scene years ago. Had issues with all (3).
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PostSubject: Re: 3 Deer. 3 Misfires. With BH209! Question.   December 20th 2016, 8:34 am

I've had a couple misfires over the years myself with BH209 and I have always attributed it to "forgetting to fire a couple primers down the barrel before loading" and heading in the woods.  I place a lot of importance on that step now.  I started with CCI Mag primers which was a recommendation from the forum.  I bought a brick of them so I haven't tried other brands.  Also, I never bring the muzzleloader in from the cold while hunting.  I leave in the truck so it stays cold, no sweating.

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PostSubject: Re: 3 Deer. 3 Misfires. With BH209! Question.   December 20th 2016, 8:48 am

I think he only brought it-in to unload it Joe.

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PostSubject: Re: 3 Deer. 3 Misfires. With BH209! Question.   December 20th 2016, 9:38 am

I think I've been very fortunate up to now. It's always been fairly dry when I've been hunting, and not that cold.

Thanks guys. Next year will be better. Smile

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