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PostSubject: Just had 2 lessons on the right to bear arms   January 24th 2017, 9:12 pm

We have a nostalgia channel on cable around here. I watched 2 consecutive "The Rifleman" shows that were clear cut lessons on 2nd Amendment issues.

During the first show, some boys goad young Mark to bring out his father's lever-action Winchester for them to see. One of them grabs for the rifle and a shot is fired, killing one of Marks friends.

For Mark, the rifle now represents death and he wants no part of having or using guns. He wants his father, Lucas McCain, to get rid of the guns in the house.

As you might expect, a confrontation takes place between some very bad guys and the locals. Some of those town people are going to be shot until Mark overcomes his fear of the rifle. He grabs it, throws it to his father and Lucas shoots down the evildoers.

Lucas finishes the show telling Mark that the rifle is merely a tool and has no ability to hurt anyone on its own. It is the person behind the gun that determines whether it is used for good or evil.

The second show has the Marshall leaving town for a few days and reluctantly turning over the Marshall's duty to the blacksmith who has an agenda - to disarm the public.

The blacksmith, now deputized, decides that the way to keep the peace is to have everyone check their guns at the Marshall's office while they are in town. Lucas is reluctant to give up his rifle so he leaves town and retains his firearm.

The bad guys check their guns. The leader of the evil doers says to his buddies that the situation is perfect for a bank robbery because the entire town has been disarmed. So, they come back later saying that they are leaving town and want their guns back. They strap on their guns and go about their thieving, robbing ways and the town people can do nothing because they are disarmed.

Lucas, who still has his rifle, goes after the bad guys and they get their due. When he returns, he confronts the deputy blacksmith who admits that he didn't realize the repercussions of confiscating the guns of the good guys. He gives everyone back their sidearms after learning his lesson the hard way.
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PostSubject: Re: Just had 2 lessons on the right to bear arms   January 24th 2017, 9:21 pm

:rtup

i havent watched the rifleman in a long time. Need to start again it looks like.
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PostSubject: Re: Just had 2 lessons on the right to bear arms   January 24th 2017, 9:59 pm

Those were the good old days! "The Rifleman", "True Grit" and "Stagecoach" were all inspirations for purchasing Clair her first "American rifle"


Those shows would never make it to script these days.

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PostSubject: Re: Just had 2 lessons on the right to bear arms   January 31st 2017, 11:10 am

Demonizing firearms is a favorite Hollywood tactic. You all can imagine what I think of Hollywood and its actors.  :barf

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PostSubject: Re: Just had 2 lessons on the right to bear arms   January 31st 2017, 6:00 pm

Bob, may I gently object? Not all of Hollywood demonizes guns. Some do. 
A clumsy episode of the remake of Hawaii 5.0 comes strongly to mind.

However, may I remind that this thread was started by a person fondly rediscovering 
The Rifleman. I went along for that ride. In fact, when the pic was posted of the rifle type 
from the show, it answered a question I had from my youth. I would love to hold one!

It also reminded me of the Daniel Boone series. I recently revisited an old re-run and was 
reminded of a gun safety rule that I had allowed to fade from my present day thinking eroded 
from 'on the line' gun safety protocol. 

Jeremiah Boone fussed at his young and irresponsible friend for pointing a gun from behind him. Guns in the woods safety lessons.... We move through the world a lot differently with firearms these days. We have to. Society has changed and we are more cramped. It invited reflection. 

Now, it IS interesting that Hollywood figures are so anti-gun rights when their action movies almost always feature guns... sexy guns... guns I had never heard of until the movie. (lol) I suspect strongly that Glock, Remington, Sig, Winchester, H & K, S & W, Colt, and others pay solid coin for product placement to be featured in these movies. I never heard of 'The Swedish K' until the movie Red. I learned about the Benelli M4 Super 90 from looking up the Zombieland guns.

There is a whole Internet Firearms Data Base... It is a lot of fun! Enter "What gun was used in..." name the movie. Enjoy. It is like gun porn. Like Gibbs from NCIS, (I looked up their stuff, too! Rule #9 applies for me) "I don't believe in coincidence."- Gibbs 

On April 21st 2008, a press release went out that NCIS was "upgrading to SIG SAUER" And, sure enough, Hollywood complied... "The SIG-Sauer P228 is the main sidearm of nearly all the NCIS agents in the series including Special Agents Leroy Jethro Gibbs..." - Internet Firearms Data Base. Note the implied recommendation of a beloved fictional hero of a Hollywood series.

Why no public acknowledgment of gun advertising via Hollywood? If you don't publish what you do, your opposition does not know. So, the opposition does not protest. Every show that features a gun is a walking advert.

I often think of Hollywood like I do of Shakespeare... "The lady doth protest too much, methinks." I am convinced that major gun investors/producers/advertising dollars go to Hollywood.

So, enjoy those movies. And, don't worry. The gun industry is very, very happy with Hollywood. 

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PostSubject: Re: Just had 2 lessons on the right to bear arms   February 1st 2017, 5:21 pm

You are right. They show a lot of guns but then they also show improbable or impossible scenarios with them too.
One of the main things that bug me about guns in movies and on TV is the "silenced" revolver. Another is lead bullets hitting the ground and other objects and giving off sparks. The other is using 1873 Colts during and shortly after the Civil War.

I think I will amend my statement in the previous post above and change the sentence to: Demonizing firearms is a favorite NEWS MEDIA tactic.

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PostSubject: Re: Just had 2 lessons on the right to bear arms   February 2nd 2017, 7:42 pm

You are right. Hollywood IS improbable. The bastards... I am still pissed that I can't get my lightsaber to work the way it does on film. They should stick to doing reality right- Oh... Yeah... Film ain't real.  Smile

I feel your pain about goofy gun action in film and TV. Failure to reload is my pet peeve. We- in this group- know so much, a movie can break us out of enjoying the 'ride' of the story when we see something totally unrealistic portrayed as 'real' with a firearm. We all have different levels of sensitivity to that. Most audience members today are unaware of even the basics of handling a weapon. So, they don't know and don't care.

Saving Private Ryan gets it right. At least, I have not found an easy mistake. 

Others? The guns and their usage ain't real. But, let's face it. The women ain't real either. But, it all sure is fun to look at. tongue  

(For any wives/GF, etc who are reading? The guys ain't real neither.)

Can't argue that some news media outlets are very negative about guns. I won't take that bet.

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PostSubject: Re: Just had 2 lessons on the right to bear arms   February 2nd 2017, 9:28 pm

All that said, I never saw so many brass framed revolvers ( Colt 1860 Army with a brass frame) as I have watching back to back episodes of "Hell on Wheels".....or 1866 cavalry carrying '66 Yellowboys...or railroad workers carrying '66 Yellowboys......or Mormons carrying '66 Yellowboys......film set armorer must have stocks in Uberti Arms.......or bought futures in tin and copper!

......I could go on, but there's a certainty that Hollywood or her patrons care one way or the other about historical accuracy, or lead and brass sparks flying from backs of mostly plastic cars or the 2nd Amendment! 2c

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PostSubject: Re: Just had 2 lessons on the right to bear arms   February 3rd 2017, 6:01 pm

Another lesson to be learned from these shows about shooting is how to get extra velocity on your bullets! You just "throw" the bullets from your handgun by pointing the firearm up and rapidly bringing your arm down while firing. This flings the projectile from your gun, adding velocity. Laughing Twisted Evil I have watched this action on the Rifleman, Wanted: Dead or Alive, Gun smoke, Bonanza and several other Old West shows.
What I do find interesting is that there is gun play on almost every episode of these shows. This weekly dose of shooting probably contributed to the fact that I have 1873 Colt SAA replicas, "cowboy" holsters and have participated in cowboy action shooting. However, I never did get used to dressing in "B" movie cowboy outfits.
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PostSubject: Re: Just had 2 lessons on the right to bear arms   February 10th 2017, 5:07 pm

Ron, IIRC, cocking an 1860 Colt with the barrel pointed up lets the spent cap fall free instead of jamming behind the cylinder.

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PostSubject: Re: Just had 2 lessons on the right to bear arms   February 10th 2017, 5:40 pm

You may be correct Joe. However, most were using cartridge guns.
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PostSubject: Re: Just had 2 lessons on the right to bear arms   February 10th 2017, 6:46 pm

All I know is... girls don't know how to make proper gun shooting sounds....and my wife still calls it a "sub-marine gun".  Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: Just had 2 lessons on the right to bear arms   February 10th 2017, 8:42 pm

Well, she has an accent. 

A charming accent. Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Just had 2 lessons on the right to bear arms   February 10th 2017, 9:38 pm

Yep!...she's a southern girl y'all!.........southern Kent that is! Very Happy
She can't wait for the snow to clear so we can shoot some clays with her "poachers gun"!

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PostSubject: Re: Just had 2 lessons on the right to bear arms   March 24th 2017, 7:47 am

I was always a "Rawhide" fan, Rowdy could kick butt and take names.....

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