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PostSubject: Powder horn glue   March 1st 2017, 7:39 pm

I'm looking for a recommendation for the glue to use in building a powder horn. I want to use it around the butt plug and also to attach a small brass tip on the spout end. Thanks
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PostSubject: Re: Powder horn glue   March 21st 2017, 12:52 pm

Hide Glue works very nicely and is historically correct.

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PostSubject: Re: Powder horn glue   May 5th 2017, 8:51 am

Howdy Coalforge
I'm new to this forum, but I'm OLD when it comes to powder horns Smile I started making them in 1973. Buck Conner is absolutely correct, hide glue is historically accurate for powder horns, not that he needs my endorsement. I've been using hide glue since my start. I used to build custom guitars and hide glue is THEE cement of choice for acoustic repair and building I've seen some documents stating that brick glue was also used in the mid 1800's. Not sure how brick glue is made, but I know it does contain brick dust? As for the brass spout. I'd consider using some very small brass or copper pins or tacks through the sides of the spout. Parts assembled with hide glue loosen up when the parts gets warm. Heat is used to "break" hide glue joints when parts need to be removed. On a good hot day your spout may fall off and get lost while trekking through the woods, hence the pin idea. I'm by NO means a historian or an authority, but I have learned a few things in 68 years. I still make powder horns, but these days I concentrate on making custom hunting knives and sheathes. Hope this helps?
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PostSubject: Re: Powder horn glue   May 5th 2017, 10:48 am

I've futzed around making my own horns for a long time too, but never even thought of selling one.  I need them really well sealed because I'm living with 90 inches of rain a year plus snow and high humidity.

All that's background for saying I don't like hide glue in our wet climate.  I've resorted to sealing with beeswax, which of course isn't a glue to hold things in place. Instead I use brass or copper pins or tacks.  Easy, quick, and can be removed to pull the horn apart if you ever feel the need (haven't yet).

Only advice I'll add, when installing pins or brads you aren't going to get away with just hammering them into place. I pre-drill the holes using a bit slightly smaller than the brad or pin, then gently tap them home.
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PostSubject: Re: Powder horn glue   May 5th 2017, 11:06 am

Welcome to the forum stoney1!

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PostSubject: Re: Powder horn glue   May 5th 2017, 11:52 am

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Welcome to the forum stoney1!


Second!

I enjoyed reading this guys. Thanks

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PostSubject: Re: Powder horn glue   May 5th 2017, 1:14 pm

@stoney1 wrote:
  I'm new to this forum, but I'm OLD when it comes to powder horns Smile I started making them in 1973. Buck Conner is absolutely correct, hide glue is historically accurate for powder horns, not that he needs my endorsement.
  I've seen some documents stating that brick glue was also used in the mid 1800's.
  Parts assembled with hide glue loosen up when the parts gets warm. Heat is used to "break" hide glue joints when parts need to be removed. On a good hot day your spout may fall off and get lost while trekking.....
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   Thank you but not needed on hide glue, have had my fingers coated with it more than I like to talk about.

   Wonder where you find a brick when in the forest or on the trail???

   Good suggestion for holding joints together Stoney.

   What part of PA are you in? I was born next to the Paoli Massacre site (now Malvern), where the British routed Anthony Wayne's troops on September 20, 1777.

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PostSubject: Re: Powder horn glue   May 5th 2017, 4:32 pm

@Marty wrote:
Welcome to the forum stoney1!

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PostSubject: Re: Powder horn glue   May 5th 2017, 4:44 pm

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@stoney1 wrote:
  I'm new to this forum, but I'm OLD when it comes to powder horns Smile I started making them in 1973. Buck Conner is absolutely correct, hide glue is historically accurate for powder horns, not that he needs my endorsement.
  I've seen some documents stating that brick glue was also used in the mid 1800's.
  Parts assembled with hide glue loosen up when the parts gets warm. Heat is used to "break" hide glue joints when parts need to be removed. On a good hot day your spout may fall off and get lost while trekking.....
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   Thank you but not needed on hide glue, have had my fingers coated with it more than I like to talk about.

   Wonder where you find a brick when in the forest or on the trail???

   Good suggestion for holding joints together Stoney.

   What part of PA are you in? I was born next to the Paoli Massacre site (now Malvern), where the British routed Anthony Wayne's troops on September 20, 1777.
Hey Buck
 I know where Malvern is, near Philly I believe? I'm from Berwick, Pa. in the North East. Half way between Scranton and Harrisburg on rt 11. I'm 68 yrs. old and had a stroke back in 2013, so I've backed off the triathlons Very Happy Kidding, never did one. If you saw me, you'd know why.
Thanks for the welcome. Not sure about the brick thing? I'm assuming the brick article was from some horner in Boston or one of the cities in York county Pa. who was supplying the Westward travelers with BP accessories? Thanks again my friend.
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PostSubject: Re: Powder horn glue   May 5th 2017, 6:12 pm

Hey Buck wrote:
   I know where Malvern is, near Philly I believe? I'm from Berwick, Pa. in the North East. Half way between Scranton and Harrisburg on rt 11.
   Not sure about the brick thing? I'm assuming the brick article was from some horner in Boston or one of the cities in York county Pa. who was supplying the Westward travelers with BP accessories? Thanks again my friend.
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I know your area, have hunted all over the east coast in PA, NY, and OH as an animal control agent for those states back in the 60's.

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PostSubject: Re: Powder horn glue   May 6th 2017, 7:31 am

@stoney1 wrote:
@Marty wrote:
Welcome to the forum stoney1!

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 Thank you much. I'm harboring about 25 guitars here, Wife wants me to clear them out! I look forward to learning as much as I can from the great guys here on the forum. Name is actually Dave, but I needed a user name, and my band name, (Stoney) was the best thing I could come up with.
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There is/was a Bluegrass band called Stoney Lonesome. Any association with that band?
My wife asked over the years why I need more than one 5-string banjo. Now, at my age, I actually think about thinning out the banjo herd in the house. But, each one has its own special characteristics and I just can't go through with parting with them.
Selling one would make some nice muzzle loaders accessible to me.
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PostSubject: Re: Powder horn glue   May 6th 2017, 7:48 am

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Selling one would make some nice muzzle loaders accessible to me.
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We got guns ...... Very Happy   cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Powder horn glue   May 13th 2017, 10:20 am

@RonC wrote:
@stoney1 wrote:
@Marty wrote:
Welcome to the forum stoney1!

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There is/was a Bluegrass band called Stoney Lonesome. Any association with that band?
My wife asked over the years why I need more than one 5-string banjo. Now, at my age, I actually think about thinning out the banjo herd in the house. But, each one has its own special characteristics and I just can't go through with parting with them.
Selling one would make some nice muzzle loaders accessible to me.
Ron
Hey RonC
Nope, no association to Stoney Lonesome. I was affiliated with Carnival Country for about a year back in the 80's, then Country Classics for 3 years, then Tommy Rynick and the Country Travelers for 2 years, most recently I was in a classic OLD country duet with another teacher from my school for 5 years, we were called Country Memories. We toured all over PA. fairs, carnivals, private parties, street festivals, you name it. We disbanded in 2012 just before my stroke. You can hear some of my music on YouTube. Type in stoney327. You'll find about 5 of my original songs there. I am (was) a singer/songwriter, multi instrumentalist, but the stroke stopped that, now I'm just a tinkerer, dabbling in BP accessories and custom knives. Thanks for asking. God bless.
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Ps: Tell your wife, "you can NEVER have too many banjos."
A friend of mine said one day( in front of my wife) " Why do you need 25 guitars, you can only play one at a time?" Then I said to him ( in front of his wife ) "Why do you need 15 guns, you can only shoot one at a time." Shut him right up! Then his wife made him sell half his guns Wink  Slap fight
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PostSubject: Re: Powder horn glue   May 13th 2017, 11:25 am

I may have posted this before, but it does make a point:

Ron Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Powder horn glue   May 14th 2017, 12:10 pm

Personally ... never found the need for glue on a horn.  But if you've seen any of my horns, you'd know why (all pretty basic & utilitarian with minimal artistic merit).
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PostSubject: Re: Powder horn glue   May 16th 2017, 5:46 am

AZshooter
I'd like to see some of your horns, can you link them? Thank you for your reply. I agree, if the plug is fitted well, there's no need to glue anything. Glue is the Devil's EZ way out. My father in law ( passed 10 years ago) was a hobby "Furniture/Cabinet maker"????? who believed that glue and plastic wood was the answer to ever wood working problem. I tried to explain to him that those items didn't make up for poor workmanship. I don't know if he ever really got it?
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PostSubject: Re: Powder horn glue   May 16th 2017, 5:51 am

@RonC wrote:
I may have posted this before, but it does make a point:

Ron Very Happy
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