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PostSubject: Who has the original patent on in-line muzzle loaders?   March 17th 2017, 4:58 pm

I see posts about in-line muzzle loaders, do you know who the inventor was that still has the original patent on this design is?   affraid

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PostSubject: Re: Who has the original patent on in-line muzzle loaders?   March 17th 2017, 8:49 pm

Conner, I was told that the old H & R center break Huntsman was the first one? 
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PostSubject: Re: Who has the original patent on in-line muzzle loaders?   March 17th 2017, 9:29 pm

Supposedly they go back into the 1700s but obviously were complex and not in widely known of.
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PostSubject: Re: Who has the original patent on in-line muzzle loaders?   March 18th 2017, 5:02 pm

Many refer to in-lines of the past (but they are the breech-loading firearms of the 16th century not true in-line firearms) not like what we think of today.
 
Henry VIII possessed a so called 'in-line', which he apparently used as a hunting gun to shoot birds. Most breech-loading firearms were made in the early 18th century. One such gun manufactured circa 1715, from Madrid Spain came with a ready-to load reusable cartridge. The Ferguson rifle in 1772, the Pauly 1812, Hall rifles of 1833, Houllier 1836 and so on. Later on into the mid-19th century there were attempts in Europe at an effective breech-loader. There were concentrated attempts at improved cartridges and methods of ignition. During the American Civil War at least nineteen types of breech-loader were fielded.

All that said, the modern in-line design was brought about by Doc White when he started working on ideas and his designs as early as 1964 which has now been copied into today modern in-line systems that most of the major manufactures offer today. He never stops reinventing the wheel, has many patents and designs for muzzleloaders as well as medical equipment and still finds time to build muzzleloaders, hunt and writes. Most do not do half what he does at half his age.

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PostSubject: Re: Who has the original patent on in-line muzzle loaders?   March 21st 2017, 11:17 am

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Many refer to in-lines of the past (but they are the breech-loading firearms of the 16th century not true in-line firearms) not like what we think of today.
 
Henry VIII possessed a so called 'in-line', which he apparently used as a hunting gun to shoot birds. Most breech-loading firearms were made in the early 18th century. One such gun manufactured circa 1715, from Madrid Spain came with a ready-to load reusable cartridge. The Ferguson rifle in 1772, the Pauly 1812, Hall rifles of 1833, Houllier 1836 and so on. Later on into the mid-19th century there were attempts in Europe at an effective breech-loader. There were concentrated attempts at improved cartridges and methods of ignition. During the American Civil War at least nineteen types of breech-loader were fielded.

All that said, the modern in-line design was brought about by Doc White when he started working on ideas and his designs as early as 1964 which has now been copied into today modern in-line systems that most of the major manufactures offer today. He never stops reinventing the wheel, has many patents and designs for muzzleloaders as well as medical equipment and still finds time to build muzzleloaders, hunt and writes. Most do not do half what he does at half his age.

And Doc White Rifles and Shotguns I've seen use #11 Caps.

I have a White Shotgun.

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PostSubject: Re: Who has the original patent on in-line muzzle loaders?   March 21st 2017, 11:53 am

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And Doc White Rifles and Shotguns I've seen use #11 Caps.

I have a White Shotgun.

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See http://whitemuzzleloading.com/on-sale/ Doc makes many different ignitions systems, #11 to #209 with lots of differences. My wife's cousin owns the "White Muzzleloading Business", purchased a dozen years ago from Doc.

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