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PostSubject: Weaning Off Weapons?   May 20th 2017, 1:05 pm

Ok I have a CVA 54Cal. Sidelock I really like but have last few years hunted with Inlines and Modern Firearms.

Really wanting to go back to my Sidelocks. I know they will kill but how does a person get it back in their mind they are not underguned?

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PostSubject: Re: Weaning Off Weapons?   May 20th 2017, 2:30 pm

Kill something.

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PostSubject: Re: Weaning Off Weapons?   May 20th 2017, 2:37 pm

Get in to the history
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PostSubject: Re: Weaning Off Weapons?   May 20th 2017, 3:43 pm

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Kill something.



Oh I've killed plenty.













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PostSubject: Re: Weaning Off Weapons?   May 20th 2017, 3:44 pm

Bear Claw wrote:
Kill something.


Dude... you have a .54 caliber weapon in your hands... 
FIFTY-FOUR calibre...
It delivers around 225 grains of lead. That is about 1 half an ounce 
of round ball crashing into your target. How big a bullet do you 
think you will need?

What you have is a mental issue, not a hardware issue. Wink
It is not your fault. More, more, more is an advertiser's mantra. 
Lord knows I like more car, rifle, etc... 
But, a well placed shot is a well placed shot. 

Unless, you are going for grizzly? 
Then I might worry.

If you are troubled, carry a modern side arm if legal in your area. 
I do that for wild boar as they are tough little porky-tanks with big 
tusks and a disrespectful attitude.
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But, just in case this does not comfort you?

"The .54 is the superior round ball hunter... At 100 yards a .54 caliber round ball from a 28" barrel will deliver over 520 Ft./lbs. of energy with a 110 grain powder charge. The .54 has the authority to put large deer and elk down in excellent fashion out to 120 yards using open sights. - Randy D. Smith 

A .54 calibre side lock at 50 yards has velocity that can create over 900 Ft./lbs. of energy.  
I see far more possible on charts elsewhere. Some get higher numbers. Depends on make, length, 
powder, ect.

That is like getting hit with a small sledge hammer. That would put me down. Shocked
That said, I mostly carry .50's and they have not failed me to date. 
I have occasionally failed them. Mad

Helpful? Did the pep talk work?

PS. Yep. You kill things. :Grace

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PostSubject: Re: Weaning Off Weapons?   May 20th 2017, 4:40 pm

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Get in to the history


Maybe I listen to too many others including my wife who says I can no longer handle the cold.



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PostSubject: Re: Weaning Off Weapons?   May 20th 2017, 5:04 pm

You misunderstood me. You said you lost faith in a sidelock. I said.........go kill something. You answer by showing what you killed in the past.

So, i'll rephrase it.  Go kill something now.

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PostSubject: Re: Weaning Off Weapons?   May 20th 2017, 5:16 pm

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You misunderstood me. You said you lost faith in a sidelock. I said.........go kill something. You answer by showing what you killed in the past.

So, i'll rephrase it.  Go kill something now.



Yes Sir! Will do. cheers

Get a chance soon going to do some range time. Tree Rat Season opens next weekend.

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PostSubject: Re: Weaning Off Weapons?   May 20th 2017, 5:42 pm

There's many things I love about traditional mling, the classic clean look is one of them.
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PostSubject: Re: Weaning Off Weapons?   May 20th 2017, 6:29 pm

oneshot 1 wrote:
Ok I have a CVA 54Cal. Sidelock I really like but have last few years hunted with Inlines and Modern Firearms.

Really wanting to go back to my Sidelocks. I know they will kill but how does a person get it back in their mind they are not underguned?

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Traditional...Modern....I go back and forth to keep it interesting.  Actually, I have a new sidelock on my wish list now, but haven't decided on what yet being a lefty.  Can't decide on a .50Cal or a .54Cal.  Plenty of fire power with either.
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PostSubject: Re: Weaning Off Weapons?   May 20th 2017, 8:26 pm

I enjoy all of it, I have even started shooting my recurve again. It's all good, relax and enjoy it.

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PostSubject: Re: Weaning Off Weapons?   May 21st 2017, 10:11 am

Hunt BIG BUCKS only! Let the lesser go by! It'll change your entire outlook on hunting!

Kanbrute by Sharps Man, on Flickr

Clint Eastwood phrased it correctly:

"Every man should know his own limitations!"

There would have never been a Mountain Man left alive if the rifles that they used hadn't been sufficiently adequate to provide them with safety....and meat!

And to top this off....to be able to enjoy the Flinters/Caplocks....one needs to have a certain amount of historical value remaining in their 'gene locker'!!
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PostSubject: Re: Weaning Off Weapons?   May 21st 2017, 10:17 am

Why?

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PostSubject: Re: Weaning Off Weapons?   May 21st 2017, 10:43 am

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Why?

Because!

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PostSubject: Re: Weaning Off Weapons?   May 22nd 2017, 9:36 am

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Hunt BIG BUCKS only! Let the lesser go by! It'll change your entire outlook on hunting!

Kanbrute by Sharps Man, on Flickr

Clint Eastwood phrased it correctly:

"Every man should know his own limitations!"

There would have never been a Mountain Man left alive if the rifles that they used hadn't been sufficiently adequate to provide them with safety....and meat!

And to top this off....to be able to enjoy the Flinters/Caplocks....one needs to have a certain amount of historical value remaining in their 'gene locker'!!

My wife don't want me killing older animals because she says the meat is much better on the young ones but she knows I won't pass an old one.

Killed with Shotgun



Killed with 50Cal. Inline



Killed with 45Cal. Inline




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PostSubject: Re: Weaning Off Weapons?   May 22nd 2017, 4:05 pm

one shot!...kick it up a notch and go flinter......at our time in life, might as well rise to the challenge!!! t up

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PostSubject: Re: Weaning Off Weapons?   May 22nd 2017, 7:45 pm

I like Doug's assessment. He has a good point that would work for all of us, young and older. Push it to another level, I myself have started getting an interest ML pistol hunting, I know my abilities as a rifle hunter, such as they are, ML pistol hunting will create a new mind set for me, looking forward to November in Al. It's good to have a forum where we can express our feelings about our hunting adventures, tools of the trade and share the knowledge of Muzzleloading. 
Thanks Jon, for putting it together and keeping it going forward. 

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PostSubject: Re: Weaning Off Weapons?   May 29th 2017, 7:40 am

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PostSubject: Re: Weaning Off Weapons?   May 29th 2017, 8:18 am

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Well before I was using a Long Bow used just a Stick on Small Game. My Baby Sister still laughs about me slipping up on them. My Dad couldn't ever figure out me using a Rifle for Deer when I would shoot them at Rock throwing distance.

If they was coming let them come. Have shot many at 5 yards from the ground. Bow hunting I always let Deer pass me, shoot them quartering away.

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PostSubject: Re: Weaning Off Weapons?   June 18th 2017, 11:10 am

Here's a thought for a hunting weapon.

   Try an atlatl, not legal in some states, but particular consideration has been given for use on deer. Currently, Alabama allows the atlatl for deer hunting, while a handful of other states list the device as legal for rough fish (those not sought for sport or food), some game birds and non-game mammals.

   Starting in 2007, Missouri allowed use of the atlatl for hunting wildlife (excluding deer and turkey), and starting in 2010, also allowed deer hunting during the firearms portion of the deer season (except the muzzle loader portion). Starting in 2012, Missouri allowed the use of atlatls during the fall archery deer and turkey hunting seasons and, starting in 2014, allowed the use of atlatls during the spring turkey hunting season as well. Missouri also allows use of the atlatl for fishing, with some restrictions (similar to the restrictions for spearfishing and bowfishing).

   The Nebraska Game and Parks Commission allows the use of atlatls for the taking of deer as of 2013.
The "woomera" is still used today by some Australian Aborigines for hunting in remote parts of Australia. Yup'ik Eskimo hunters still use the atlatl, known locally as "nuqaq" (nook-ak), in villages near the mouth of the Yukon River for seal hunting.

   A friend has taken a mule deer, an antelope and several turkeys with an atlati and countless fish (all done with Colorado Fish & Game watching and use of special permits used for considering game law changes). Ken also holds the world record for distance at over 300 yards.

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PostSubject: Re: Weaning Off Weapons?   June 18th 2017, 11:15 am

Isn't that what Tom Selleck used on Quigley with the natives?

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PostSubject: Re: Weaning Off Weapons?   June 18th 2017, 6:10 pm

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Isn't that what Tom Selleck used on Quigley with the natives?

Think your right, forgot about that. 

Atlatl's are really hard to get use to, my friend makes it look easy and he probably stands 6 foot tall and his weight is around 140 lbs, damn kids.

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PostSubject: Re: Weaning Off Weapons?   July 23rd 2017, 11:04 pm

Under gunned with a muzzle loader?
Really?

Rifle muskets were quite efficient during our Civil War.
And in the American west.
And since the firearm was invented.
Holy Black was the only propellant for centuries.
http://civilwarhome.com/casualties.htm
^^read.

Any muzzle loader over .45 caliber will take the biggest deer in the woods.
I have a friend that took a caribou with a .50 using a round ball and 70
grains of black.
I took a nice whitetail at 80 paces as it was standing looking at me.
Ball hit in the chest and dead right there.
I found the ball under the hide of the off side ham near the tail.
A long time ago I took a shot at a deer looking at me at about 130 ish yards.
Hit it high in the chest.
The ball broke at least half the deer's vertebra.
Dead on the spot.
Lyman Great Plains rifle, .50 caliber.
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