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PostSubject: Late model Traditions Hawken   Late model Traditions Hawken Empty2017-05-27, 11:34

Howdy folks.  New guy here with a question.

I've seen a new/late model Traditions percussion rifle called a Hawken but, it doesn't have the designation "Woodsman".  Can someone tell me the difference, if any, between the one I've seen and the Traditions Hawken "Woodsman" model?

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PostSubject: Re: Late model Traditions Hawken   Late model Traditions Hawken Empty2017-05-27, 11:39

Do you have a link to the one that's just Hawken? There should be another name with it. Sometimes guys will leave it off.


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PostSubject: Re: Late model Traditions Hawken   Late model Traditions Hawken Empty2017-05-27, 11:49

It was on one of the on-line sites. 
Pictures of the barrel markings don't show any other "name" and the seller states that it's "just like the Woodsman" without the name "Woodsman".    ??
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PostSubject: Re: Late model Traditions Hawken   Late model Traditions Hawken Empty2017-05-27, 12:01

Basically the name change and a little bit of stock difference over the years. Last year the Hawken Woodsman got an entire new stock thats beefier and blocky around the lock panel.

You'll even find the Traditions Springfield Hawken which uses a single trigger.
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Strange barrel markings.  ??
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PostSubject: Re: Late model Traditions Hawken   Late model Traditions Hawken Empty2017-05-27, 12:09

Thanks FG. 
The barrel markings are a bit strange to me but, I'm new to BP firearms and trying to get educated.  I'm "looking" for a rifle but, in no hurry.  The overall condition of this one caught my eye but, it looked unusual ...especially the abbreviation for caliber .... CL ????
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PostSubject: Re: Late model Traditions Hawken   Late model Traditions Hawken Empty2017-05-27, 12:13

Yeah, some makers do some odd things with stamping stuff in.

Deepriver CT is odd too, must be an oldie as the new traditions say Old Saybrook CT.

Whats the asking price?
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PostSubject: Re: Late model Traditions Hawken   Late model Traditions Hawken Empty2017-05-27, 12:15

It's listed at a starting bid of $235 with no reserve.
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PostSubject: Re: Late model Traditions Hawken   Late model Traditions Hawken Empty2017-05-27, 12:24

A bit high IMO. A new Hawken Woodsman runs $388
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PostSubject: Re: Late model Traditions Hawken   Late model Traditions Hawken Empty2017-05-27, 12:46

@FrontierGander wrote:
A bit high IMO. A new Hawken Woodsman runs $388

Most of the on-line sales sites are a bit high IMO (especially the auctions) ...but, I don't really know enough to have an opinion yet.  That's why I'm asking the experts.  Smile
I've seen the new "Woodsman" for as low as $376 NIB.

When you add shipping, it would run about $270 IF you could get it for the starting/opening bid.  It makes for a tough decision ...used vs. new.  It's supposed to be very close to unfired condition which adds to the dilemma.
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PostSubject: Re: Late model Traditions Hawken   Late model Traditions Hawken Empty2017-05-27, 12:58

Fg has two Woodsmans and I just bought one. Nice gun for the money.

I've been screwed a few times buying used sidelocks. I'd rather pay a little more and get a new one with a warranty.

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PostSubject: Re: Late model Traditions Hawken   Late model Traditions Hawken Empty2017-05-27, 13:10

Bear Claw wrote:
Fg has two Woodsmans and I just bought one. Nice gun for the money.

I've been screwed a few times buying used sidelocks. I'd rather pay a little more and get a new one with a warranty.

Yeah, that's why I'm leery of a gun I can't physically touch and inspect.  I'll probably wait a while longer, save my pennies, and buy a new one.  I really like the new Woodsman and the price is right.

I was very curious about the "Woodsman that's not a Woodsman" and the barrel markings.  I "assumed" (mostly not a good idea) that Traditions didn't make a Hawken before the Woodsman.

I like the look of the new "Mountain" rifle too.
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PostSubject: Re: Late model Traditions Hawken   Late model Traditions Hawken Empty2017-05-27, 13:19

Yes, and even though he claimed it wasn't shot much. If he didn't take care of it the right way it could be pitted. That's what got me in the past. The outside of the gun looked new and the bore was a mess.

I agree the mountain rifle looks good. I have a bum back and can't hold up a longer barreled sidelock anymore. I had GPR's which are similar to the Mountain Rifle. So, I settled on the Woodsman and i'm glad I did. My back thanked me. It has a nice balance to it.

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PostSubject: Re: Late model Traditions Hawken   Late model Traditions Hawken Empty2017-05-27, 14:20

I can understand that.  My back probably wouldn't stand up to toting a 10lb rifle around either so, I'll likely go with the Hawken's 8lbs.  Lighter is better ....except for recoil.  Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Late model Traditions Hawken   Late model Traditions Hawken Empty2017-05-27, 15:20

Not so much carrying it as in shouldering it. The longer barrel just seems to pull hard on my lower back. I take all my shots standing offhand and my lower back suffers. The Woodsman feels much better. Athough, carrying the gun in the Rockies can beat me up too.

Recoil shouldn't be too bad. I haven't shot it yet, but it should be similar to the TC Hawken. My load will be 75gr of Swiss 3F and a PRB for elk and muley's. Get close and double lung shots only should fill the freezer.

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PostSubject: Re: Late model Traditions Hawken   Late model Traditions Hawken Empty2017-05-27, 16:18

Yeah, I can imagine that.

Good luck with the hunting.  All I plan to hunt is paper or metal targets but, you never know.  We have a pretty serious hog problem in TX and if the opportunity presented itself, I might be inclined to eradicate a few.  Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Late model Traditions Hawken   Late model Traditions Hawken Empty2017-05-27, 16:28

Oh you'll have the hog hunting with a side lock! I used a brand new traditions hawken woodsman flintlock and 80gr 2fg on this one at 50 yards. check it out here, https://www.frontiermuzzleloading.com/t9814-the-hog-hunt-story-pics?highlight=oklahoma+hog+hunt
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PostSubject: Re: Late model Traditions Hawken   Late model Traditions Hawken Empty2017-05-27, 19:04

Nice story and you tell it well.  Thanks for sharing. 

Now, all I need is a rifle.  A buddy of mine has a place out west of town and he says it's covered up in hogs.  I hope to find out this fall.  It's getting to danged hot & humid to hunt in TX.  It was 93 yesterday and I think it made it to about 88 or 89 in heavy humidity today.  WX looks cooler for next week but, last I checked we had a 50% to 75% chance of rain every day though the weekend !  We can use the rain but, I'd like it spread out a little.  Smile
I'm keeping an eye on this rifle.  I'm interested in it if the price is right.  Anyone have experience with a "pre-Woodsman" Traditions Hawken?
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PostSubject: Re: Late model Traditions Hawken   Late model Traditions Hawken Empty2017-05-29, 08:17

rowdyjoe
Don't know if this helps or is even relevant?
I just bought a Traditions 50 cal. St. Louis Hawken kit back in February to put together for my doctor. As far as I know, the Woodsman doesn't have brass furniture it's all iron The St. Louis Hawken has the brass furniture.  I can tell you that the price you got is pretty doggoned good, I shelled out just South of $400.00 for the one I got. I'm not impressed with the fact that it came with Plastic sights! TA makes steel sights available for an additional $54.00, which in my opinion, is highway robbery! Why can't TA just include the steel sights? The plastic ones look nice, and from the reviews that I've read they work fine, but when you shell out that kind of money it should be ALL metal....just sayin' Take care, good luck with your purchase.
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PostSubject: Re: Late model Traditions Hawken   Late model Traditions Hawken Empty2017-05-29, 08:31

The Woodsman is all brass.

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PostSubject: Re: Late model Traditions Hawken   Late model Traditions Hawken Empty2017-05-29, 08:37

Thanks for the reply Stoney1 but, now I"m confused.  Every picture and description I see of the Traditions Hawken Woodsman has brass furniture.  The new Mountain version (32" bbl) appears to have dark furniture.  Could that be the one you're thinking of?
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@rowdyjoe wrote:
Thanks for the reply Stoney1 but, now I"m confused.  Every picture and description I see of the Traditions Hawken Woodsman has brass furniture.  The new Mountain version (32" bbl) appears to have dark furniture.  Could that be the one you're thinking of?

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My mistake, I apologize. You are correct, it was the Mountain version that I saw. I just checked out the link to TA here on this site. So, in answer to your question, I HAVE NO FRIGGIN' IDEA of the difference? Embarassed
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@stoney1 wrote:
@rowdyjoe wrote:
Thanks for the reply Stoney1 but, now I"m confused.  Every picture and description I see of the Traditions Hawken Woodsman has brass furniture.  The new Mountain version (32" bbl) appears to have dark furniture.  Could that be the one you're thinking of?

rowdyjoe
My mistake, I apologize. You are correct, it was the Mountain version that I saw. I just checked out the link to TA here on this site. So, in answer to your question, I HAVE NO FRIGGIN' IDEA of the difference? Embarassed
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I owned a St Louis Hawken a few years ago. I wasn't impressed with it at all. Maybe they've improved the latest version, but the one I had had a terrible lock and a sloppy gritty single trigger. Workmanship overall was crude.

I was worried about getting the Woodsman thinking it might be the same gun. It's not. Workmanship is like night and day and I love the lock and trigger. Good metal sights, smooth well machined bore, good wood fit, and after seeing Jon's range reports it's accurate.

 I've owned TC, Lyman, Pedersoli, and the Woodsman is every bit as good. Impressive for the price.

My only gripe is they don't make a .54.

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PostSubject: Re: Late model Traditions Hawken   Late model Traditions Hawken Empty2017-05-29, 10:47

you all saw the build up of my st.louis kit. Excellent inletting and quality. That kit ran $318 + $6 shipping. Hard to beat that!
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I'm sure building the gun will give better results. Mine was a factory build.

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@FrontierGander wrote:
you all saw the build up of my st.louis kit. Excellent inletting and quality. That kit ran $318 + $6 shipping. Hard to beat that!


Unless you spend about $80 more for a factory completed one. 
At my age, I don't know if I have enough time left on earth to complete a kit.  Smile
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I suggest you save your money and buy a factory Woodsman.

$388 with free shipping. Hard to beat.

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LOL Rowdy, its not bad at all. Just mostly removing wood to fit the metal, a little lock and trigger guard inletting. But yes, $80 more and you got a nice looking factory rifle. Kit guns are one of my favorites though. I get to control the wood finish quality, fit, and the stock color.
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You also have a shop to do it. I'd never buy another factory gun if I had your shop.

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I do it in my bed room on top of my antique dresser/gun parts storage lol. A good vacuum is a must at the end of the build.
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What happened to that big shop you built?

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I don't do my building in there yet. Needs a $7000 cement floor still, along with the electric hooked up to the main power source.


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That will be more historic. I'm sure the Hawken Bros had a dirt floor.  Very Happy

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@FrontierGander wrote:
LOL Rowdy, its not bad at all. Just mostly removing wood to fit the metal, a little lock and trigger guard inletting. But yes, $80 more and you got a nice looking factory rifle. Kit guns are one of my favorites though. I get to control the wood finish quality, fit, and the stock color.


Smile  I understand.  From what I've seen you do a beautiful job too.  However, by the time I buy the tools necessary to do a "good" job, I could probably buy two factory guns ....not to mention that it would probably take two kits for me to get one decent gun.  You know, one to "practice" on and one to get it right.  Besides, I'm anxious to start making smoke.  If I already had one I might consider a kit.  That way I could shoot while I build.
You know how excuses go.  "I don't want to loan you my ax".  Why not?  you say.  "Because I'm making soup" I say.  You say ...what's that got to do with me using your ax?  I say "Nothing but, if I don't wan to loan you my ax, any excuse will do".  Smile
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Very Happy

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