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Rifleman1st



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PostSubject: I drew a Colorado Elk tag. Need help. no sabots or pellets allowed in CO   I drew a Colorado Elk tag. Need help. no sabots or pellets allowed in CO EmptyJune 7th 2017, 12:51 pm

New here but I've been muzzle loading for many years. I shoot a 209X50 Encore but I've always used saboted bullets and pellets.

Any recommendations? I'm not set up for casting my own.
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PostSubject: Re: I drew a Colorado Elk tag. Need help. no sabots or pellets allowed in CO   I drew a Colorado Elk tag. Need help. no sabots or pellets allowed in CO EmptyJune 7th 2017, 1:02 pm

For elk you can't beat the Thor bullet. It's a full bore conical made by Barnes for Thor.

https://www.thorbullets.com/

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PostSubject: Re: I drew a Colorado Elk tag. Need help. no sabots or pellets allowed in CO   I drew a Colorado Elk tag. Need help. no sabots or pellets allowed in CO EmptyJune 9th 2017, 4:02 pm

This is a TC so its going to be a picky SOB about bullets.

250-300gr Thor or the 350gr FPB with 90-110gr Blackhorn209 and Winchester W209 primer will do the trick.
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PostSubject: Re: I drew a Colorado Elk tag. Need help. no sabots or pellets allowed in CO   I drew a Colorado Elk tag. Need help. no sabots or pellets allowed in CO EmptyJune 10th 2017, 10:50 am

not at all. TC's have years of issues with their QLA and the bullets mentioned above are the most likely to shoot. TC's generally hate flat based conicals and need the hollow base in order to shoot accurate. Even the loads I gave, may not shoot simply due to the barrel. They are a real coin toss when it comes to conicals and accuracy.
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PostSubject: Re: I drew a Colorado Elk tag. Need help. no sabots or pellets allowed in CO   I drew a Colorado Elk tag. Need help. no sabots or pellets allowed in CO EmptyJune 10th 2017, 1:13 pm

Been there done that with an Encore. 

Years ago i tried the 320 and 370 grain Maxi Balls, the TC Maxi Hunters, the Great Plains bullet and some heavy custom bullets Muley sent me.  All i got for my trouble was a badly leaded bore.   Finally settled on the 350 grain FPB although the accuracy is not that good:   2.5" groups at 100 yards is the norm for me.
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PostSubject: Re: I drew a Colorado Elk tag. Need help. no sabots or pellets allowed in CO   I drew a Colorado Elk tag. Need help. no sabots or pellets allowed in CO EmptyJune 12th 2017, 11:57 am

My Encore loved the 250 grain thors.  Groups stayed between an inch and an inch and a half at 100 yards.  My encore didn't like the FPB's or the Powerbelt bullets. I was thoroughly impressed with accuracy of the Thors.  I had heard their on game performance was fantastic, but I didn't think that they would be comparably accurate to the Barnes 250 with sabot.  I wouldn't hesitate to take them on an elk hunt.

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PostSubject: Re: I drew a Colorado Elk tag. Need help. no sabots or pellets allowed in CO   I drew a Colorado Elk tag. Need help. no sabots or pellets allowed in CO EmptyJune 12th 2017, 12:16 pm

Thanks for the info! What is the FPB bullet?
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PostSubject: Re: I drew a Colorado Elk tag. Need help. no sabots or pellets allowed in CO   I drew a Colorado Elk tag. Need help. no sabots or pellets allowed in CO EmptyJune 12th 2017, 1:55 pm

It's a Hornady bullet. Copper coated lead. They work ok, but hard to get down the bore. They're .508.

The Thor is a much better bullet and you can get them in a size to fit your bore. I'll take all copper over lead any day.

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PostSubject: Re: I drew a Colorado Elk tag. Need help. no sabots or pellets allowed in CO   I drew a Colorado Elk tag. Need help. no sabots or pellets allowed in CO EmptyJune 13th 2017, 9:08 pm

Strong eagle has it down!!
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PostSubject: Re: I drew a Colorado Elk tag. Need help. no sabots or pellets allowed in CO   I drew a Colorado Elk tag. Need help. no sabots or pellets allowed in CO EmptyJune 13th 2017, 9:19 pm

That's not all i said, is there a reason my post changed?
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PostSubject: Re: I drew a Colorado Elk tag. Need help. no sabots or pellets allowed in CO   I drew a Colorado Elk tag. Need help. no sabots or pellets allowed in CO EmptyJune 13th 2017, 9:51 pm

Yes, I pmed you.
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PostSubject: Re: I drew a Colorado Elk tag. Need help. no sabots or pellets allowed in CO   I drew a Colorado Elk tag. Need help. no sabots or pellets allowed in CO EmptyJune 18th 2017, 10:32 am

Bear Claw wrote:
The Thor is a much better bullet and you can get them in a size to fit your bore. I'll take all copper over lead any day.

Take Bear Claw's advise, after retiring went to work for Cabelas, started in the hunting department of the store before being moved to the Gun Library.

In the "hunting department" we would hear all kinds of poor and good information from the customers on what their gun liked or disliked. It was surprising that some were still with us with their poor ideas tried and failed badly (some with serious injuries).

The Thor bullets were always thought very highly over other well known brands for being easy to load to how acturate they performed. Take Pete's advise.

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PostSubject: Re: I drew a Colorado Elk tag. Need help. no sabots or pellets allowed in CO   I drew a Colorado Elk tag. Need help. no sabots or pellets allowed in CO EmptyAugust 5th 2017, 11:53 am

There are barrel makers that make better barrels just for T/C muzzle loader rifles.
They can be that bad.
T/C uses the 1 : 48 twist, the so called "compromise" twist that can shoot both round ball
and conical boolets.

Fact is the things don't shoot either one very well.

I replaced my T/C factory barrels with Green Mountain barrels.

The reason and ONLY reason the original Hawken gun makes rifled with 1 : 48 twist is because
it's the only rifling machine they had.

I have Lyman muzzle loaders that I bought to shoot sabots and boolets because the Lymans
can be had in a 1: 38 twist. Or was it 1 : 32 twist.
I fergit but it's a faster twist and shoots sabots and boolets very well indeed.

Mine is a venison maker. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: I drew a Colorado Elk tag. Need help. no sabots or pellets allowed in CO   I drew a Colorado Elk tag. Need help. no sabots or pellets allowed in CO EmptyAugust 5th 2017, 12:18 pm

1:48 shoots them both superbly in my experience. Even lighter weight sabots, the 1:48 twist does extremely well out to 150 yards. Just all depends on who made the rifle, whos shooting, whos willing to do their homework. On the other hand, that applies to every gun ever made!

Tons of folks think the Mosin Nagants are inaccurate junk and that is completely false as well.
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PostSubject: Re: I drew a Colorado Elk tag. Need help. no sabots or pellets allowed in CO   I drew a Colorado Elk tag. Need help. no sabots or pellets allowed in CO EmptyAugust 5th 2017, 1:37 pm

My T/C s with 1:48 are very accurate with both PRB and Maxi-balls.

I shot three 250 Thors out of one this AM. The 1st one on a clean barrel went 5" left. The next 2 touched each other. This was at 100 yds. with 90 gr. of BH209. I just have to remember to use a fouled barrel when hunting time rolls around.
I didn't shoot any more of them because they're too damned expensive to punch paper.

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PostSubject: Re: I drew a Colorado Elk tag. Need help. no sabots or pellets allowed in CO   I drew a Colorado Elk tag. Need help. no sabots or pellets allowed in CO EmptyAugust 5th 2017, 5:40 pm

@patocazador wrote:
My T/C s with 1:48 are very accurate with both PRB and Maxi-balls.

FrontierGander  1:48 shoots them both superbly in my experience. Even lighter weight sabots, the 1:48 twist does extremely well out to 150 yards.

Agreed, have shot and testing various twist rates over the years (trying to reinvent the wheel). T/C 1:48 shoots just fine and better than most shooter can hold them. I have test results from Muzzle Blasts with testing done from a Ramson Rest proving just that, need to look through my cabinet.

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