Frontier Muzzleloading
Welcome to Frontier Muzzleloading!

Please take the time to either Register or Log In to your user name and join us!


Muzzleloading Forum
 
HomeFAQRegisterLog in
Share
 

 Knives and the Modern Shooter

Go down 
Go to page : 1, 2  Next
AuthorMessage
RonC
Site Moderator
Site Moderator
RonC

Male Number of posts : 1140
Age : 72
Location : Golden, CO
Registration date : 2013-09-09

Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty
PostSubject: Knives and the Modern Shooter   Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty2017-07-19, 17:23

As a muzzleloader fanatic, I understand the need for a knife, whether for practical uses like patch cutting or as part of a historical outfit.

But what about these modern shooters at a modern range? It seems that the knife clipped to a front pocket with the clip intentionally prominent, or a big knife in a belt sheath is part of the current costume of the day.
Even the gun periodicals often have an article on a tacticool knife.

If you like knives, that's great. I do too. But it seems that the knife clipped to the pocket is just decoration.
I was curious, so on several occasions I went around the outdoor range I belong to and asked if the knife owners had taken a defensive knife course or something similar. None. Not one. Most were middle aged guys. I have to assume that the knives are there for show, not practical use.

I carry a knife, but as part of a multi-tool. I also know that if confronted by someone who can really use a knife, I probably would be trimmed, fileted, carved and circumcised by the time the fight was over. If my CCW firearm doesn't do its job, then my knife wouldn't save my hide.

Maybe I am missing something. Maybe I am wrong in my assumptions. What think you all?
Ron

_________________
RonC

Outside of a Dog, a Book is Man’s Best Friend. Inside of a Dog, It’s Too Dark to Read. Groucho Marx (or possibly someone earlier)
Back to top Go down
patocazador

patocazador

Number of posts : 5852
Age : 76
Location : central Florida
Registration date : 2012-08-22

Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Knives and the Modern Shooter   Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty2017-07-19, 17:32

I never go anywhere without a folding knife in my left pocket and a mini .22 in my right pocket. Sometimes I also have a Diamondback DB9 in the right rear pocket. I use the folding knife at least 6 times/day. It is a tool not a weapon. The other articles are weapons that are almost never used.

PS: I don't depend on keys or mace as defenses. IMO they are next to useless.

_________________
Bob

"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government." -Thomas Jefferson
Back to top Go down
Sharpsman

Sharpsman

Male Number of posts : 525
Age : 79
Location : Clear Lake, Louisiana
Registration date : 2016-02-13

Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Knives and the Modern Shooter   Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty2017-07-19, 18:58

There be lots of old boys like onto myself probably that use a knife daily....several times! My old Dad could be asked...."Dad...have you got your knife on you?" And the reply back would be "I've got my britches on don't I?" I've toted a knife since I was six years old.....even to school....and skinned a few squirrels with it on the way home from school because I carried my .22 rifle to school on the school bus and left it in the cloak room while class was in session so I could hunt walking home! Quite a few boys did the same thing! A knife doesn't have to be a weapon.....more often just a tool! Oft times it's difficult for folks that have grown up on concrete and asphalt, tall buildings, honking horns, gobs of people, sirens screaming and daily shootouts affraid ....to relate to us old country boys! And thank the GOOD LORD for delivering me from all that! :suhlute :suhlute

And....on the backside of all the above I NEVER go anywhere without a .380 Ruger pistol in my pocket and oft times a M1911 Colt .45 on my person! Uncle Sam taught me that the best defense is to SHOOT BACK! :suhlute
Back to top Go down
RonC
Site Moderator
Site Moderator
RonC

Male Number of posts : 1140
Age : 72
Location : Golden, CO
Registration date : 2013-09-09

Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Knives and the Modern Shooter   Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty2017-07-19, 19:24

Carrying a knife for daily use makes good sense. That is why I carry a multitool. There is one in my briefcase, one in my range bag, another in the car. The are very useful. As a kid, I carried a Schrade penknife (a large one that I still have) and it was a tool.
The knives presented in articles in the gun magazines are defense oriented rather than tools. At least that is the sense I get. And that is the type of blade seen clipped on the front pants pocket at the range.
Again, I could be wrong, but I would bet that 80% of the knives I see on the range are there for show, rather than practicality. 
I am not criticizing the choice to carry a knife, just wondering why it has become an accessory to the shooting activities. 
Ron

_________________
RonC

Outside of a Dog, a Book is Man’s Best Friend. Inside of a Dog, It’s Too Dark to Read. Groucho Marx (or possibly someone earlier)
Back to top Go down
Buck Conner
Site Moderator
Site Moderator
Buck Conner

Male Number of posts : 3490
Age : 79
Location : UT
Registration date : 2015-10-20

Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Knives and the Modern Shooter   Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty2017-07-19, 20:18

My dad bought me my first knife at age 5 and gave me my first black powder revolver at age 5 (a few months apart). The knife was an "Old Timer" and the revolver an original 1849 Pocket Revolver (non matching numbers with nipples soldered shut). The knife was used daily to make tooth picks for me and my friends, the revolver was my cap gun (dad won't buy a "Roy Rogers crap gun" he called them), but would supply a tin of caps when I ran out. I have never got out of the practice of carrying both, now one of the folding knives that hold the razor blade (to lazy to sharpen) and the handgun a Sig P938. Carry both daily 7 days a week without fail, without either one I feel funny after all these years.

_________________
.
Knives and the Modern Shooter Camp

.
Back to top Go down
BigAl52
Site Moderator
Site Moderator
BigAl52

Male Number of posts : 609
Age : 67
Location : Evans, Colorado
Registration date : 2016-02-03

Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Knives and the Modern Shooter   Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty2017-07-19, 20:24

I carry the Leatherman Skeleton EX and I love it. Im lost without it and Ive tried to lose it sseveral times but have been lucky enough to recover it. I also go no where with out either my Shield 45 ACP or an LCRX 38 special. I even carry when I ride my bicycle. The LCRX is a great carry gun for that. Al

_________________
Have you ever just sat and thought man I've been through a lot of shit



John Bergmann 50 cal Lancaster
John Bergmann 54 cal Hawken
GRRW 50 cal
GRRW 58 cal
Lyman GPR 54 cal flintlock L&R lock davis deerslayer trigger
Lyman Trade Rifle 54 cal
CVA Hawken 58 cal by Jonathan
Hawken Squirrel Rifle 40 cal by John Bergman
Pedersoli Penn Rifle 50 cal flintlock
Back to top Go down
Kentucky Colonel

Kentucky Colonel

Male Number of posts : 1775
Age : 111
Location : Luna
Registration date : 2015-10-28

Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Knives and the Modern Shooter   Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty2017-07-19, 20:41

I think there are a few schools of thought on knives. 

I think there is the 'tactical knife' crowd that see themselves as walking combatants. 
The knife for them is primarily a bad-ass weapon. Many of these are 'posers.' Hearing them talk usually betrays them. 
The ones that aren't are not people I would like to cross.

I think there is the 'fantasy knife' crowd. They have been watching too much Lord of the Rings and other fantasy fare. 
These knives often don't even work well or even hold up. These are most often useless in the practical world. Owners 
are likely to speak Klingon.

I think there is the 'collector knife' crowd who gather knives that are never to be used. 
They wish to display them. They are gold/silver and carving covered beauties. I can never 
afford their houses.

I think there is the 'tool knife' crowd who uses a knife primarily as a practical day-to-day helpmate. 
The most trusted can be an ugly mutt of a knife that really suits the owner. These knife owners can be quite sentimental 
about their knives for a variety of reasons. Owners tend to have hidden skills.

For me, it is about Gibbs' RULE 9. Never go anywhere without a knife. They are just too useful. Often, I will carry two or even three different ones. 
My big hunting knife is not very discrete. My small pocket knife can do small things without even being seen. My neck knife is just so easy to reach. 
I feel like I am not fully dressed without a knife- even a small one will do.

Note:
I gave my niece and nephew a boyscout/girlscout pocket knife for Christmas. Neither of them are allowed to use them because of new rules. (disgusted snort) Apparently, where I see a tool, some see a only a weapon.

_________________
"One of the sanest, surest, and most generous joys of life comes from being happy 
over the good fortune of others." 
― Robert Heinlein


Florida Muzzleloaders Association 
Central Florida Muzzleloaders 
Green River Rifle Works Collectors Association
NMLRA
Back to top Go down
RonC
Site Moderator
Site Moderator
RonC

Male Number of posts : 1140
Age : 72
Location : Golden, CO
Registration date : 2013-09-09

Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Knives and the Modern Shooter   Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty2017-07-19, 22:15

Good thoughts on the knife issue! I think I focus too much on the posers.

I find that I use the knife section of the multitool now and again. The socket that permits use of screwdriver bits gets used all the time. The scissors is perfect for trimming nose hairs. Laughing The pliers get frequent use and are just right for pulling teeth. Shocked I can adjust scopes and sights on my firearms with the bits carried in the sheath.

I met Clint Smith's wife when she lived and worked nearby at a gun shop. Word had it that she was quite the master of knife fighting. Although adept at the time at Aikido, boxing and Muay Thai kick boxing, I would have had second thoughts about taking her on if she had a knife in her hand. Wish I had taken her course on defensive use of a knife.

_________________
RonC

Outside of a Dog, a Book is Man’s Best Friend. Inside of a Dog, It’s Too Dark to Read. Groucho Marx (or possibly someone earlier)
Back to top Go down
BrownBear



Number of posts : 320
Age : 68
Location : Alaska
Registration date : 2017-04-19

Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Knives and the Modern Shooter   Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty2017-07-20, 08:27

Kinda funny around here, where guys spend a lot of time in the hills. Sheath knives are pretty rare except among guys who probably own over 50 knives and are looking for their next new one. It's brushy and the bloomin things hang up all the time, so guys mostly quit carrying them. Riverside fish gutting and game dressing are all done with folders. Fillet knives live in tackle boxes or wait at home to be put to work.

My everyday carry is a Leatherman on my belt and a very basic 2.5" Kershaw folding lockblade in my pocket. The Leatherman blades almost never get used, but the other tools are handy. I dressed a deer once with the Leatherman.  I say again, ONCE!!!! Took about as long to clean up the thing and get the fat out as it did to eat the deer. Razz When you learn where the little micro-sutures are in the bones you can easily split the pelvis and chest and disjoint the lower legs of a deer with that little folder, and that's good enough for me. I have a folding saw that goes in my pack for the same jobs on moose and elk hunts.

Around town most guys are more inclined to carry a gun to a knife fight.  Among the lotta folks I know, only one guy thinks he's ready for anything with a fighting knife and he displays it like a face tattoo.  He's as goofy as they come, so maybe he's onto something. Folks are pretty sure he's crazy so they give him a pretty wide berth.  Most everyone else has their shirttails hanging out or a coat hanging below their belt, and you don't really want to find out why.
Back to top Go down
RonC
Site Moderator
Site Moderator
RonC

Male Number of posts : 1140
Age : 72
Location : Golden, CO
Registration date : 2013-09-09

Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Knives and the Modern Shooter   Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty2017-07-20, 10:19

My non-knife concealed carry:

Knives and the Modern Shooter UyUxLp
A brace of 1816/1822 French cavalry pistols in .69 caliber. Shocked Very Happy Converted from flintlock.
Ron

_________________
RonC

Outside of a Dog, a Book is Man’s Best Friend. Inside of a Dog, It’s Too Dark to Read. Groucho Marx (or possibly someone earlier)
Back to top Go down
Buck Conner
Site Moderator
Site Moderator
Buck Conner

Male Number of posts : 3490
Age : 79
Location : UT
Registration date : 2015-10-20

Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Knives and the Modern Shooter   Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty2017-07-20, 11:00

@Kentucky Colonel wrote:
For me, it is about Gibbs' RULE 9. Never go anywhere without a knife. They are just too useful. Often, I will carry two or even three different ones. 
My big hunting knife is not very discrete. My small pocket knife can do small things without even being seen. My neck knife is just so easy to reach. 


Over all the years of hunting I have seen all different lengths of hunting knives, its crazy how long some are. Have been asked "where's your hunting knife" I show them my hand forged knife with a walnut handle that's 8 inches total length. Has a 4 inch handle and a 4 inch slight drop point blade. The comments start about the size .........  The idiots with the longest knives have to show you their favorite weapon (they think they are Daniel Boone ready to fight a bear). Then the next smaller size guys setup and so on. Nobody carries a smaller knife like mind? When looking at the knives mentioned only a few show any signs of being used? They ask to look at my knife, it gets passed around (its liked but goes no further than that).

When asked about the signs of usage I tell them how long I have had the knife and has been used several times each of the 50 years I have owned it (cleaning game for the different seasons each of those years). Several of these guys I have hunted with and know what I said was true as I have cleaned their game along with mine (if you've got blood on your hands - why not continue the process). When I'm gone my grandson wants that little knife as he has seen it used from quail to buffalo several times.

Oh, it was built by a Amish blacksmith near Akron OH that hunted my grandfather's 1,500 acre farm each deer season for 20 years in PA. I use to help him with getting his whitetail out for several years, he gave me the knife on my 25th birthday (pretty cool then and still today I look at that knife and see Mr. Yeater). Smile

_________________
.
Knives and the Modern Shooter Camp

.
Back to top Go down
Buck Conner
Site Moderator
Site Moderator
Buck Conner

Male Number of posts : 3490
Age : 79
Location : UT
Registration date : 2015-10-20

Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Knives and the Modern Shooter   Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty2017-07-20, 11:08

@BrownBear wrote:
I dressed a deer once with the Leatherman.  I say again, ONCE!!!! Took about as long to clean up the thing and get the fat out as it did to eat the deer. Razz
When you learn where the little micro-sutures are in the bones you can easily split the pelvis and chest and disjoint the lower legs of a deer with that little folder, and that's good enough for me. I have a folding saw that goes in my pack for the same jobs on moose and elk hunts.

That's why I use the knife mentioned as its very easy to clean without other tools in the way.

As you have mentioned Hank, we have always done this as we have some craft folks that buy anything related to animals in the bone line. You have probably seen their native America art crafts at the airports around North America - "Prairie Edge Crafts".

_________________
.
Knives and the Modern Shooter Camp

.
Back to top Go down
Buck Conner
Site Moderator
Site Moderator
Buck Conner

Male Number of posts : 3490
Age : 79
Location : UT
Registration date : 2015-10-20

Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Knives and the Modern Shooter   Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty2017-07-20, 11:11

Ron one would need to be of your mass to conceal such large side arms. Brother they would scare the crap out of these little punk turds when they saw the bore size of your guns. affraid   What a Face   Suspect

_________________
.
Knives and the Modern Shooter Camp

.
Back to top Go down
FrontierGander
Site
Site
FrontierGander

Male Number of posts : 16345
Age : 35
Location : Boncarbo,Colorado
Registration date : 2008-05-19

Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Knives and the Modern Shooter   Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty2017-07-20, 12:04

I used to be one of those guys that thought you needed a big 12" bowie to skin a deer with lol. Im back to using anything from a 4 to 6 inch blade. Nothing bigger is needed. The larger knives IMO are harder to work with.
Back to top Go down
Sharpsman

Sharpsman

Male Number of posts : 525
Age : 79
Location : Clear Lake, Louisiana
Registration date : 2016-02-13

Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Knives and the Modern Shooter   Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty2017-07-20, 12:19

All that's needed....with a shaving edge:

Knives and the Modern Shooter 36007889636_2ebe10a0ba_zUntitled by Sharps Man, on Flickr

I have to be careful opening this blade! I made the mistake of opening it in the kitchen last week and the glint from the blade cut all four legs off my wife's favorite chair!!
Back to top Go down
BrownBear



Number of posts : 320
Age : 68
Location : Alaska
Registration date : 2017-04-19

Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Knives and the Modern Shooter   Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty2017-07-20, 12:35

@Sharpsman wrote:
All that's needed....with a shaving edge:

Knives and the Modern Shooter 36007889636_2ebe10a0ba_zUntitled by Sharps Man, on Flickr

There it is. I dumped the belt clip cuzz it kept hanging in my pocket. But you nailed my choice in best all around.
Back to top Go down
Buck Conner
Site Moderator
Site Moderator
Buck Conner

Male Number of posts : 3490
Age : 79
Location : UT
Registration date : 2015-10-20

Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Knives and the Modern Shooter   Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty2017-07-20, 13:15

@FrontierGander wrote:
I used to be one of those guys that thought you needed a big 12" bowie to skin a deer with lol. Im back to using anything from a 4 to 6 inch blade. Nothing bigger is needed. The larger knives IMO are harder to work with.


Amen  cowyboy hatoff

_________________
.
Knives and the Modern Shooter Camp

.
Back to top Go down
John Neslen



Number of posts : 510
Age : 74
Location : Idaho
Registration date : 2015-02-28

Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Knives and the Modern Shooter   Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty2017-07-24, 08:36

I have carried a knife daily for over 60 years and like stated above, if my pants are on I have a knife. Most have always been about 3 - 3 1/2" with the longest blade having a sharp point. The "Stockman" has a middle blade that is straight and the back side curved. It is the only blade to use when gutting an animal. After making a small incision I insert my first two fingers on left hand and place blade between them and open animal. No chance of cutting something you don't want to!

If my knives don't shave hair on my arm they are not sharp enough!

John
Back to top Go down
patocazador

patocazador

Number of posts : 5852
Age : 76
Location : central Florida
Registration date : 2012-08-22

Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Knives and the Modern Shooter   Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty2017-07-24, 09:15

As a side note, I went to the courthouse the other day to renew my passport. They make you go through a metal detector when entering. I emptied out my pockets and took off my belt and they told me my "Old Timer" knife would have to be put back into the truck before I could proceed. I asked the four deputies there how many of them carried a knife. All four (including a woman) said they did. The nice lady deputy agreed to hold the knife until I returned. 
BTW, all 4 were under 30 years of age. 

However, my metal wires holding my sternum together set off the metal detector anyway.  Rolling Eyes

_________________
Bob

"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government." -Thomas Jefferson
Back to top Go down
Buck Conner
Site Moderator
Site Moderator
Buck Conner

Male Number of posts : 3490
Age : 79
Location : UT
Registration date : 2015-10-20

Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Knives and the Modern Shooter   Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty2017-07-27, 07:04

I have a metal rod in my lower back (may have one the whole length soon), that damn rod sets off their warning devise every time. Then we go to their little room to be checked out, they don't screw around, getting right to the exam.

_________________
.
Knives and the Modern Shooter Camp

.
Back to top Go down
RonC
Site Moderator
Site Moderator
RonC

Male Number of posts : 1140
Age : 72
Location : Golden, CO
Registration date : 2013-09-09

Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Knives and the Modern Shooter   Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty2017-07-27, 08:27

Guns America Specialty Publications has an article, appearing today, called "Where do edged weapons fit with CCW? Fighting with edged weapons." The author recommends knife carry as a back up. However, he is a special forces trained fighter.

On Saturday, I have to go through airport security with my new sternum wire. It will be interesting to see if it sets the alarms off. I never asked whether my sternum is wired together with stainless steel of titanium wire. Fortunately for me, I don't have any metal rods.
Ron

_________________
RonC

Outside of a Dog, a Book is Man’s Best Friend. Inside of a Dog, It’s Too Dark to Read. Groucho Marx (or possibly someone earlier)
Back to top Go down
Buck Conner
Site Moderator
Site Moderator
Buck Conner

Male Number of posts : 3490
Age : 79
Location : UT
Registration date : 2015-10-20

Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Knives and the Modern Shooter   Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty2017-07-27, 19:02

@RonC wrote:
On Saturday, I have to go through airport security with my new sternum wire. It will be interesting to see if it sets the alarms off. I never asked whether my sternum is wired together with stainless steel of titanium wire. Fortunately for me, I don't have any metal rods.
Ron

Good Luck

_________________
.
Knives and the Modern Shooter Camp

.
Back to top Go down
BrownBear



Number of posts : 320
Age : 68
Location : Alaska
Registration date : 2017-04-19

Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Knives and the Modern Shooter   Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty2017-07-27, 19:44

My wife has wire lace in her sternum and it's never set off the alarms, even though a small ring on a finger will do it.
Back to top Go down
patocazador

patocazador

Number of posts : 5852
Age : 76
Location : central Florida
Registration date : 2012-08-22

Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Knives and the Modern Shooter   Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty2017-07-28, 10:08

For the last 40 yrs. I have always carried a NAA mini-revolver in my pocket. It holds five .22 shorts. Years ago when they first installed metal detectors at airports, I went with a friend to pick up his daughter on an arriving flight. We went through the metal detector and everything was fine. While waiting for her to come down the ramp, I put my hands in my pockets and felt the gun there. I just about panicked. I told my friend I had to leave RIGHT NOW. He thought I needed to take a dump. I was relieved when I made it back to his car without being arrested. pale

_________________
Bob

"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government." -Thomas Jefferson
Back to top Go down
Buck Conner
Site Moderator
Site Moderator
Buck Conner

Male Number of posts : 3490
Age : 79
Location : UT
Registration date : 2015-10-20

Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Knives and the Modern Shooter   Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty2017-07-28, 15:49

@patocazador wrote:
For the last 40 yrs. I have always carried a NAA mini-revolver in my pocket. It holds five .22 shorts. Years ago when they first installed metal detectors at airports, I went with a friend to pick up his daughter on an arriving flight. We went through the metal detector and everything was fine. While waiting for her to come down the ramp, I put my hands in my pockets and felt the gun there. I just about panicked. I told my friend I had to leave RIGHT NOW. He thought I needed to take a dump. I was relieved when I made it back to his car without being arrested. pale

Becareful with this little round I know of and have seen a few that depended on this round and when using it found it did nothing more than really piss off the person they shot. Then the crap hit the fan. One officer said this guy would have been better off using the coke bottle laying on the floor, or running away.

_________________
.
Knives and the Modern Shooter Camp

.
Back to top Go down
Sharpsman

Sharpsman

Male Number of posts : 525
Age : 79
Location : Clear Lake, Louisiana
Registration date : 2016-02-13

Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Knives and the Modern Shooter   Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty2017-07-28, 16:03

No sir...don't want a .22 at all but I do carry this in a pocket holster. It's a .380 and with TSX cartridges it's plenty lethal! It's 7 shot...double action every time and the pocket holster protects the trigger which is rather hard but it's designed that way! Also tote a Sig 9MM! I guess you could call me a 'Safety Man'! Quite accurate I might add!

Knives and the Modern Shooter 35395247394_97b41a783c_zUntitled by Sharps Man, on Flickr
Back to top Go down
AndyinEverson

AndyinEverson

Male Number of posts : 76
Age : 50
Location : Washington state
Registration date : 2017-08-12

Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Knives and the Modern Shooter   Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty2017-08-12, 20:22

I usually carry one of these three as a everyday carry knife.
What kills me at work ( I teach in a High School Life Skills Class ) is that someone will ask if I can cut this , slice that , open some other thing etc ...
Then invariably ask "Why do you carry a knife?"
Andy
Knives and the Modern Shooter Dsc06013
Back to top Go down
Buck Conner
Site Moderator
Site Moderator
Buck Conner

Male Number of posts : 3490
Age : 79
Location : UT
Registration date : 2015-10-20

Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Knives and the Modern Shooter   Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty2017-08-13, 07:24

I carry a pocket knife, but why bring a knife to a gun fight? Besides the knife (a folder with the changeable razor blade) I have carried some kind of a firearm for over 50 years. For the past 7-8 years I've carried either a Sig P938 or a Les Baer 1911, sometimes both.


Knives and the Modern Shooter Pix580392550
Sig Sauer P938 with extended mag.


Knives and the Modern Shooter Pix249303964
Les Baer Custom 1911 Government with extended mag.


Both are in Luger 9MM loaded with 124 grain hollow points of one of several different manufactures.

_________________
.
Knives and the Modern Shooter Camp

.
Back to top Go down
Kentucky Colonel

Kentucky Colonel

Male Number of posts : 1775
Age : 111
Location : Luna
Registration date : 2015-10-28

Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Knives and the Modern Shooter   Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty2017-08-13, 09:03

@AndyinEverson wrote:
I usually carry one of these three as a everyday carry knife.
What kills me at work ( I teach in a High School Life Skills Class ) is that someone will ask if I can cut this , slice that , open some other thing etc ...
Then invariably ask "Why do you carry a knife?"
Andy
Knives and the Modern Shooter Dsc06013

That silver one... 

Dad had one like that from the Navy. I took it out and borrowed it and left it outside on the ground in the grass. 
It was not found again until much later. The rust ruined it. I was 11... He still complains about it to this day. 
I can't look at one without wincing. Neutral

_________________
"One of the sanest, surest, and most generous joys of life comes from being happy 
over the good fortune of others." 
― Robert Heinlein


Florida Muzzleloaders Association 
Central Florida Muzzleloaders 
Green River Rifle Works Collectors Association
NMLRA
Back to top Go down
Buck Conner
Site Moderator
Site Moderator
Buck Conner

Male Number of posts : 3490
Age : 79
Location : UT
Registration date : 2015-10-20

Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Knives and the Modern Shooter   Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty2017-08-13, 09:06

You see them all the time at the Army-Navy Surplus Stores, don't be so much of a cheap turd, get him a new one. Very Happy

_________________
.
Knives and the Modern Shooter Camp

.
Back to top Go down
AndyinEverson

AndyinEverson

Male Number of posts : 76
Age : 50
Location : Washington state
Registration date : 2017-08-12

Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Knives and the Modern Shooter   Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty2017-08-13, 09:10

Second the notion to get your dad a replacement ... Issued ones are still to be found and in the $40-$60 dollar range , depending vintage , where I live.

Mine "followed" me home after my service in the Army...Seems like its still in service since.
Andy

_________________
Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves... Very Happy
Back to top Go down
RonC
Site Moderator
Site Moderator
RonC

Male Number of posts : 1140
Age : 72
Location : Golden, CO
Registration date : 2013-09-09

Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Knives and the Modern Shooter   Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty2017-08-13, 10:30

I loves me Leatherman Wave.
Along with the Leatherman, I have an attachment that permits use of screwdriver bits. I use it all the time. Not as useful as the Leatherman, my old Schrade foldable knife is dear to me. Nostalgia equals practicality sometimes
I brought two small multitools on the trip I am on (on the way home at the moment). Useless. Utterly, totally useless. The scissors couldn't cut a nose hair. The blade has no right being called a knife - unless you are cutting butter. The screwdriver was screwed up after the first use.
Ron (on an aircraft flying over Greenland)

_________________
RonC

Outside of a Dog, a Book is Man’s Best Friend. Inside of a Dog, It’s Too Dark to Read. Groucho Marx (or possibly someone earlier)
Back to top Go down
Buck Conner
Site Moderator
Site Moderator
Buck Conner

Male Number of posts : 3490
Age : 79
Location : UT
Registration date : 2015-10-20

Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Knives and the Modern Shooter   Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty2017-08-13, 11:08

@RonC wrote:
The scissors couldn't cut a nose hair......

That's correct, but it will cut your nose tissue when going after hair (damn thing can really hurt you).... affraid  2c

_________________
.
Knives and the Modern Shooter Camp

.
Back to top Go down
AndyinEverson

AndyinEverson

Male Number of posts : 76
Age : 50
Location : Washington state
Registration date : 2017-08-12

Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Knives and the Modern Shooter   Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty2017-08-13, 18:18

A at  one time , every deployment / Field Exercise carry.
Its a BlackJack model 5 , that I carried while in the Army.
5 1/2 carbon steel blade and a stacked leather handle.
Still does service every once in awhile camping , hunting and the like.
Andy
Knives and the Modern Shooter Dsc06016

_________________
Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves... Very Happy
Back to top Go down
csitas



Number of posts : 74
Age : 76
Location : Necedah Wisconsin
Registration date : 2017-08-26

Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Knives and the Modern Shooter   Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty2017-09-25, 20:49

Ron , you might piss someone of that got hit with your concealed carry but, they'll die die from the pneumonia that hey get from the hole it made.Don't have to worry about a quick reload either. 69 cal ==12 gauge wow.







m
Back to top Go down
RonC
Site Moderator
Site Moderator
RonC

Male Number of posts : 1140
Age : 72
Location : Golden, CO
Registration date : 2013-09-09

Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Knives and the Modern Shooter   Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty2017-09-25, 22:14

I get intimidated just looking down the bore of that old cavalry pistol!

Of course, looking down the wrong end of a firearm can give an exaggerated sense of the size of the ammo. When I was held at 12 ga shotgun point while working at a mine site in Brazil, I could have sworn that the gun was equal to an M114 155mm Howitzer. It made me quite anxious. Shocked
Ron

_________________
RonC

Outside of a Dog, a Book is Man’s Best Friend. Inside of a Dog, It’s Too Dark to Read. Groucho Marx (or possibly someone earlier)
Back to top Go down
Buck Conner
Site Moderator
Site Moderator
Buck Conner

Male Number of posts : 3490
Age : 79
Location : UT
Registration date : 2015-10-20

Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Knives and the Modern Shooter   Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty2017-09-26, 07:45

@AndyinEverson wrote:
A at  one time , every deployment / Field Exercise carry.
Its a BlackJack model 5 , that I carried while in the Army.
5 1/2 carbon steel blade and a stacked leather handle.
Still does service every once in awhile camping , hunting and the like.
Andy
Damn Andy you kept that knife, I let mind get away to a nephew. Now seeing yours makes me want my old knife back.....

_________________
.
Knives and the Modern Shooter Camp

.
Back to top Go down
csitas



Number of posts : 74
Age : 76
Location : Necedah Wisconsin
Registration date : 2017-08-26

Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Knives and the Modern Shooter   Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty2017-10-04, 17:36

I'll tell you what , with five 22 shorts in you lungs , I don't see you being very tough for long.Maybe one could go wild and strike the fore head. I lost a cousin with the damm tiny slug. He and another thought the gun was unloaded, a single shot no less. I'm not saying the 22 is not the weapon of choice . I would prefer 22 long rifle,but with one ,I am not backing down.I shoot a bit more than average and can say can that at  10 to 20 feet I can empty a clip and never leave the target. Try that with a 45.
Back to top Go down
Kentucky Colonel

Kentucky Colonel

Male Number of posts : 1775
Age : 111
Location : Luna
Registration date : 2015-10-28

Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Knives and the Modern Shooter   Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty2017-10-28, 20:14

Quote :


Kentucky Colonel
Dad had one like that from the Navy. I took it out and borrowed it and left it outside on the ground in the grass. 
It was not found again until much later. The rust ruined it. I was 11... He still complains about it to this day. 
I can't look at one without wincing. Knives and the Modern Shooter Icon_neutral

Buck Conner
You see them all the time at the Army-Navy Surplus Stores, don't be so much of a cheap turd, get him a new one. Very Happy

AndyinEverson
Second the notion to get your dad a replacement ... Issued ones are still to be found and in the $40-$60 dollar range , depending vintage , where I live.


I took the advice. It took some time to find a replacement. After getting owned on eBay several times for a 
real vintage Camillus, I found this one made by Colonial Knives.

Knives and the Modern Shooter QRiDNN

Dad gets it as a birthday present and it should arrive tomorrow.

_________________
"One of the sanest, surest, and most generous joys of life comes from being happy 
over the good fortune of others." 
― Robert Heinlein


Florida Muzzleloaders Association 
Central Florida Muzzleloaders 
Green River Rifle Works Collectors Association
NMLRA
Back to top Go down
RonC
Site Moderator
Site Moderator
RonC

Male Number of posts : 1140
Age : 72
Location : Golden, CO
Registration date : 2013-09-09

Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Knives and the Modern Shooter   Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty2017-10-28, 20:31

That was very thoughtful of you to spend the time and energy to get your Dad such a nice gift.
Ron

_________________
RonC

Outside of a Dog, a Book is Man’s Best Friend. Inside of a Dog, It’s Too Dark to Read. Groucho Marx (or possibly someone earlier)
Back to top Go down
stoney1
Site Moderator
Site Moderator
stoney1

Male Number of posts : 356
Age : 70
Location : Berwick, Pennsylvania
Registration date : 2017-05-05

Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Knives and the Modern Shooter   Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty2017-11-12, 13:17

@RonC wrote:
As a muzzleloader fanatic, I understand the need for a knife, whether for practical uses like patch cutting or as part of a historical outfit.

But what about these modern shooters at a modern range? It seems that the knife clipped to a front pocket with the clip intentionally prominent, or a big knife in a belt sheath is part of the current costume of the day.
Even the gun periodicals often have an article on a tacticool knife.

If you like knives, that's great. I do too. But it seems that the knife clipped to the pocket is just decoration.
I was curious, so on several occasions I went around the outdoor range I belong to and asked if the knife owners had taken a defensive knife course or something similar. None. Not one. Most were middle aged guys. I have to assume that the knives are there for show, not practical use.

I carry a knife, but as part of a multi-tool. I also know that if confronted by someone who can really use a knife, I probably would be trimmed, fileted, carved and circumcised by the time the fight was over. If my CCW firearm doesn't do its job, then my knife wouldn't save my hide.

Maybe I am missing something. Maybe I am wrong in my assumptions. What think you all?
Ron
Ron
I agree. I think the knives these  days are "window dressing", all for show! I live in Pennsylvania in the heart of Redneck country, so the knives carried here are as much a necessity as pants or shoes. I carry 3 knives everywhere but in school, A Swiss army that I brought back from Switzerland in the 60's, an Opinel carbon steel blade, beech wood handle that I bought in France on the same trip, and a mini Kobalt folding utility knife, PLUS a pair of folding scissors. In addition, I also carry a Beretta .380 or a S&W 9mm auto, I'm ready for just about anything. I've never needed to use any of these items ( hopefully NEVER will). I'm ex-military,(NavSOG) Nam era, so I can use a knife if I have to, but would prefer not to. I'd rather shoot ya.' affraid
Not sure if any of this is relevant? But it's my $.02.
God bless:
Stoney

_________________
Super Heroes don't wear capes, they wear Dog Tags!!!!!
Back to top Go down
falcon

falcon

Male Number of posts : 1563
Age : 80
Location : Southwest, Oklahoma
Registration date : 2012-05-28

Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Knives and the Modern Shooter   Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty2017-11-12, 16:11

i've carried pocket knives since about age five.  Currently carry an old Swiss army knife.  While hunting  i sometimes carry a sheath knife on my belt. 

Yeah, there's currently much ado about something  they call "knife rights".  Lots of knife fighter wannabees out there.
Back to top Go down
stoney1
Site Moderator
Site Moderator
stoney1

Male Number of posts : 356
Age : 70
Location : Berwick, Pennsylvania
Registration date : 2017-05-05

Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Knives and the Modern Shooter   Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty2017-11-12, 16:46

@falcon wrote:
i've carried pocket knives since about age five.  Currently carry an old Swiss army knife.  While hunting  i sometimes carry a sheath knife on my belt. 

Yeah, there's currently much ado about something  they call "knife rights".  Lots of knife fighter wannabees out there.
Falcon
Not aware of that particular title... "knife rights." Except for airlines, I thought you had a right to carry a knife almost anywhere? Shows you how "outta' touch" I am.
Thanks.
Stoney

_________________
Super Heroes don't wear capes, they wear Dog Tags!!!!!
Back to top Go down
patocazador

patocazador

Number of posts : 5852
Age : 76
Location : central Florida
Registration date : 2012-08-22

Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Knives and the Modern Shooter   Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty2017-11-12, 17:36

I used to carry a pocket knife on all flights before the current restrictions. I only had one TSA-type guy who objected. I made him call his supervisor over and the supervisor OK'd it.

As a kid, all of the boys had pocket knives. How else could we play splits at recess?

_________________
Bob

"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government." -Thomas Jefferson
Back to top Go down
Buck Conner
Site Moderator
Site Moderator
Buck Conner

Male Number of posts : 3490
Age : 79
Location : UT
Registration date : 2015-10-20

Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Knives and the Modern Shooter   Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty2017-11-12, 20:31

@csitas wrote:
I'll tell you what , with five 22 shorts in you lungs , I don't see you being very tough for long.Maybe one could go wild and strike the fore head. I lost a cousin with the damm tiny slug. He and another thought the gun was unloaded, a single shot no less. I'm not saying the 22 is not the weapon of choice . I would prefer 22 long rifle,but with one ,I am not backing down.I shoot a bit more than average and can say can that at  10 to 20 feet I can empty a clip and never leave the target. Try that with a 45.

I ran into a guy a few years ago (a friends friend from his questionable past). This guy was walking around with (2) .22 shorts in his lungs and (1) in his kidney that had been removed. He still has the lung slugs and was real proud of them. The dizzy jerk showed us a current and a passed xray of his lungs and how those slugs have been covered with tissue, sick.

_________________
.
Knives and the Modern Shooter Camp

.
Back to top Go down
csitas



Number of posts : 74
Age : 76
Location : Necedah Wisconsin
Registration date : 2017-08-26

Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Knives and the Modern Shooter   Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty2017-11-12, 21:34

Maybe with a little luck ,someday he will get his condition updated. Maybe lr's this time around.
Back to top Go down
stoney1
Site Moderator
Site Moderator
stoney1

Male Number of posts : 356
Age : 70
Location : Berwick, Pennsylvania
Registration date : 2017-05-05

Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Knives and the Modern Shooter   Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty2017-11-13, 04:46

@patocazador wrote:
I used to carry a pocket knife on all flights before the current restrictions. I only had one TSA-type guy who objected. I made him call his supervisor over and the supervisor OK'd it.

As a kid, all of the boys had pocket knives. How else could we play splits at recess?
patocazador
I feel ya.' brother
 I had some health issues that used to require me to carry a lot of first aid related items, mostly bandages. About 10 years ago my wife and I were flying to Jamaica to shoot wedding photos. At the Philly Airport, the TSA. chick made me throw away a $50.00 pair of scissors from my first aid bag... right down the incinerator chute. Then another guy, on the same flight, got to take his Buck folder with him because the TSA guy he had said "you can take that knife as long as you put it in this little box and fly it in cargo, NOT as a carry on!" Wish the "B_ _ _H" had told ME that!
Yeah, when I was a kid EVERY boy carried a pock knife on them. I NEVER left for school without my Barlow trapper, it was just like puttin' on your pants. You dressed, put on your pants and shoes, combed your hair, then made sure your folder was in your pocket! I don't even know at what period in time Pocket knives were outlawed in school?
Be well, Stay warm:
Stoney

_________________
Super Heroes don't wear capes, they wear Dog Tags!!!!!
Back to top Go down
falcon

falcon

Male Number of posts : 1563
Age : 80
Location : Southwest, Oklahoma
Registration date : 2012-05-28

Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Knives and the Modern Shooter   Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty2017-11-13, 08:24

Quote :
Except for airlines, I thought you had a right to carry a knife almost anywhere?

There are knives and there are other "knives".   There is a big push for the legalization of switchblades, gravity knives and big knives.   

https://kniferights.org/
Back to top Go down
stoney1
Site Moderator
Site Moderator
stoney1

Male Number of posts : 356
Age : 70
Location : Berwick, Pennsylvania
Registration date : 2017-05-05

Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Knives and the Modern Shooter   Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty2017-11-13, 09:15

@falcon wrote:
Quote :
Except for airlines, I thought you had a right to carry a knife almost anywhere?

There are knives and there are other "knives".   There is a big push for the legalization of switchblades, gravity knives and big knives.   

https://kniferights.org/
falcon
 I brought a bunch of Switch blades back from Europe in the 60's and 70's, but after all the Hell/Hoopla over the legality of them, I sold them. Looks like I should have kept them. Not sure (given today's societal mindset), what I think about them now? Thanks for the link.  Very interesting reading. I'm just a KNIFE FREAK plain and simple!!! If it's got a cutting edge, I want one!
God bless:
Stoney

_________________
Super Heroes don't wear capes, they wear Dog Tags!!!!!
Back to top Go down
Bazoo



Number of posts : 11
Age : 35
Location : KENTUCKY
Registration date : 2017-11-13

Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Knives and the Modern Shooter   Knives and the Modern Shooter Empty2017-11-13, 20:55

Howdy,   I joined so That I could post in this thread.     I have been carrying a knife since I was a kid.   I have carried everything from stockman pocket knives, to fixed knives to switchblades.      I started when I was about 10.  I wasnt able to carry a knife to school, but after school I knifed up for the whittling and chopping and cutting kids do. 

At current im carrying a leatherman original,  an old timer stockman, a victorinox classic, and a buck 192.     I dont always carry the 192,  sometimes I'll carry a 110 instead, if I need to conceal better. The leatherman and the stockman are my must haves.  The victorinox is easy to add and I use the scissors for trimming nose and beard hairs and such.       

I am sentimental about my knives.  The leatherman was my granny's, and is pretty darn useful.   And the old timer I've carried for 15 years or so.       The 110 was a gift from my wife, and the 192 from her mom.     

I carry a 1911.  I've carried constantly, one gun or another, for almost 10 years.     Both the leatherman and the stockman and my 1911 were on me when my house burnt down 2 years ago.     

Ive carried a benchmade 3310.  Its the out the front dagger with a single edged blade.  I used it as a tool,  not as a weapon.      It was pretty cool, and was given to me by a friend.  I sold it to finance a gun purchase before my house burnt.    It wasnt my style, but I wish I had it back now as my friend has passed. 

Its been my experience that carrying a knife of the folding clip variety is something a lot of folks do now.  Not as weapons, nor as tools,  more like part of the attire.     I've carried, along with the 3310, several other pocket clip knives.  They arent really my style so I dont carry clipper knives much.  I dont own any at present.        

~Bazoo
Back to top Go down
 
Knives and the Modern Shooter
Back to top 
Page 1 of 2Go to page : 1, 2  Next

Permissions in this forum:You cannot reply to topics in this forum
Frontier Muzzleloading :: The Hunting Lodge :: Off Topic-Hunting Lodge-
Jump to: