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PostSubject: Re: MUCH better    August 15th 2017, 9:03 pm

This old badly pitted barrel continues to surprise me with how well it shoots ....considering that it's blowing out patches.  Went to the range Sat. so my son-in-law could get a taste of shooting a muzzle loader and the dang thing produced 2.5 inch groups at 50 yds.  I'm pretty sure that's about as good as it will do but, it amazes me that's it's as accurate as it is.  If this old sewer pipe will do that well (see targets above), I'm expecting at least 1" groups at 100 yds with the new one.  We'll see.  Smile
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PostSubject: Re: MUCH better    August 16th 2017, 6:00 am

RowdyJoe, it's pretty obvious that you know how to handle that rifle.  I can't even get 1" groups with a scoped rifle let alone a muzzy.  Although, I gave my brother a CVA Hawken that I had re-bored to a .58 cal (from .54 to .58) does have a lot finer sights on it than my Cabela's Investarm .58 Hawken.  At 100 yards my front sight covers up quite a bit of the center on a target. 

Good luck with that new barrel!

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PostSubject: Re: MUCH better    August 16th 2017, 3:24 pm

Hi Joe,
     Aiming and squeezing the trigger comes from muscle-memory and discipline.  I was a firearms instructor in the Air Force for 20+ yrs. and have fired much more than a bunch of rounds down range in practice, competitions, and demonstrations. 
  Getting a ML to fire accurately is a new challenge for me but, it appears that I found "the trick" to making this old barrel shoot consistently even though it's not that good.   I'm sure the component mix used in getting the new barrel shooting it's best will be quite different.
    Believe it or not ....the old barrel requires a slightly wet muzzle cut .014" Tshirt patch, a .490 RB, and 70grn of 3F.  Holes are still being blown through the patches.  Shocked ???? 

BTW ....when aiming with open sights, move your aiming point to a 6 o'clock hold instead of center (especially for a "bullseye" target) and watch your groups shrink.  If the group is low, adjust your sights to hit center but, keep your aim at 6.  Remember to focus on the front sight to make sure it doesn't move before the bullet leaves the barrel. Obviously, the other fundamental apply too.  Smile

Scopes are a different animal.  They appear to be very simple but, not necessarily so.  More moving parts to go wrong and trouble shooting can be frustrating.
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PostSubject: Re: MUCH better    August 16th 2017, 5:21 pm

I'd say its the t shirt material not holding up.
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PostSubject: Re: MUCH better    August 16th 2017, 6:22 pm

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I have shot lots of originals with bad bores because a 100 plus years ago the owners just used them and they very seldom cleaned a tool.


From about 1955-1975 i owned dozens of original muzzleloaders.  The vast majority had bad bores.  

In the late 1970s i worked  part time as the mechanic for a trash hauling company.   One day a driver gave me three original guns he found sticking out of a dumpster around Alexandria, VA .   The bores of all three rifles were pristine.   The bores of two were filled with butter  and the third filled with something  lard or tallow.   One of those guns was made by Hacker Martin.
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PostSubject: Re: MUCH better    August 16th 2017, 7:11 pm

Wow, Falcon.

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PostSubject: Re: MUCH better    August 16th 2017, 7:23 pm

@FrontierGander wrote:
I'd say its the t shirt material not holding up.

You're right but, it doesn't matter which material I use.  The bore is so rough that it tears the patch on the way out ....and maybe on the way in.  I've tried a few different patch materials and they all end up with a hole blown through the middle.  Smile
I think the patches are catching on the pits, etc., on the way out and the RB is punching a hole right through it because the RB is moving faster than the patch due to the roughness of the bore. 

The new barrel will end this problem.  I should be able to get it blued over the next few days and mounted in the stock.  I'm anxious to start dialing it in.
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PostSubject: Re: MUCH better    August 16th 2017, 7:34 pm

Ahhhh ok! I thought this was a different barrel lol. Yes, pitting is a bitch indeed.

You can always turn it into a conical shooter. Maybe shoot some lead slugs and let that fill in the pitting.
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PostSubject: Re: MUCH better    August 16th 2017, 7:48 pm

Hadn't thought about using it for conicals.  Good idea.  I may try that after I get the new on shooting well.
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PostSubject: Re: MUCH better    August 16th 2017, 8:03 pm

@FrontierGander wrote:
You can always turn it into a conical shooter. Maybe shoot some lead slugs and let that fill in the pitting.

good point .... sunny

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PostSubject: Re: MUCH better    October 10th 2017, 8:22 pm

The new barrel from Deer Creek is shooting very well.  Using 70gr of 3f, tpick patch lubed w/ballistol and water, and a .495" RB produces a nice 2" group at 75yds.  Further tinkering with the load combo will improve accuracy ...providing I do my part.  I think I've got a keeper.  Smile
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PostSubject: Re: MUCH better    October 14th 2017, 9:59 am

Rowdy what happened with your cleaning and testing?

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PostSubject: Re: MUCH better    October 14th 2017, 11:47 am

Ummmmm .... Cleaning and testing?  Well, the new barrel is a great improvement and is much easier to clean, load, etc. 
I'm still testing though ...changing one component at a time.  I recently began casting my own RB with interesting results.  I'm using a Lee .495" mold and pure lead.  Compared to the .495" Hornady swaged RB I was using before, they shoot close to the same.  However, the cast balls appear to be softer and are easily damaged so, I have be more careful when starting them.  I want to do more testing with the cast RB before I change anything else. 
I'm still using the "dry patch" method and wiping between shots.  Lube is the same ...Ballistol and water and I use a similar mix with less Ballistol for wiping. 

BTW ...I shot my first local ML match on Oct. 1 at my gun club and got lucky.  Out of 12 shooters, I took 2nd place.  Smile    I'm very proud of my new/old rifle.  This match held 3 "first times" for me ... 1) first time I shot the rifle at 25yds  2) first time I shot it at 75yds  and 3)  first time I shot it off-hand.  I still need to figure out where to hold a 25yds but, I took an educated guess and got lucky at 75yds.  It was fun.
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PostSubject: Re: MUCH better    October 14th 2017, 12:37 pm

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I recently began casting my own RB with interesting results.  I'm using a Lee .495" mold and pure lead.  Compared to the .495" Hornady swaged RB I was using before, they shoot close to the same.  However, the cast balls appear to be softer and are easily damaged so, I have be more careful when starting them.  I want to do more testing with the cast RB before I change anything else. 

Have you checked the weight of your own poured round balls? That is the one advantage of the swaged round balls being more consistent in weight over the home poured and not having possible voids found in home grown balls.

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PostSubject: Re: MUCH better    October 14th 2017, 8:18 pm

Yes, I weigh each ball and sort them into groups according to weight.  From the first batch I cast  I ended up with two groups ....first group = 181 - 181.9 ; second group = 182 - 182.8. 
I haven't shot any of the first group yet but, the second group did OK but, not quite as good as the swaged.  I'll try the first group on the next trip to the range.

My second batch of cast RB turned out a bit different.  I got 3 groups out of about 175 cast and most were heavier than the first batch.   First group is 183 - 183.5; second group is 182.5 - 182.9;  third group is 181.5 - 181.9.  Don't know why they came out heavier but, I had lowered the temp in the pot from the first batch.  I don't have a temp gauge so, don't know the exact temperature.  I need to do some research to figure this out. 

The pot is a 10 lb made by Lee.
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PostSubject: Re: MUCH better    October 14th 2017, 9:44 pm

Most times the weight differences is do to moisture in the air and temperature of lead in pot. Winter casting is different than that done in summer, found this when casting large numbers of balls for Crazy Crow and Dixie Gun Works years ago.

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PostSubject: Re: MUCH better    October 14th 2017, 10:28 pm

Well, the temp was about 20 to 25 deg. lower and the humidity was a bit higher for the second batch.  I wonder which way I need to go with the temp to offset the different conditions?  Hmmm, higher temp may reduce the moisture level....I guess (?).
I have a feeling the heavier balls will fit tighter down the bore (?) using the same patch material.  I measured a few of the heavier ones with a caliper and they are a thousandths or two larger. 
It's been ages since I've done any casting and I wasn't nearly as attentive to weight as I am with these RBs.  Some things need to learned again.  Smile

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PostSubject: Re: MUCH better    October 14th 2017, 10:56 pm

shoot, i gave up sorting balls. I now just check for dents, bubbles, wrinkles. Just not worth the extra trouble of weighing them. One day at 150 and 170 yards, I shot them +/- 4 to 6 grains, not a damn thing changed.
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PostSubject: Re: MUCH better    October 15th 2017, 12:52 am

Wow, there goes that theory.  Never would have thought that it wouldn't affect shot groups being that much different in weight.  Did they load any different?  I had one at the range last week that only went down the bore because I hammered it in ....literally.   Shocked  Didn't get a chance to measure it but, sure seems likely is was larger than .495". 
I'm gong to put that theory to the test next trip to the range.  I  plan to shoot all 3 ball weights and see if I'm wasting my time weighing them.  Some folks make a strong case for it and haven't heard too many argue against it. 
I've done my share of reloading but, most always with factory bullets.  The exception was my replica (Pedersoli) Remington Rolling Block in 45-70.  I cast my own bullets for it and used 70gr of 3F in the cartridge with varied results.  There weren't too many mold sizes available for that bullet  back then and I didn't have a resizing die so, some those bullets were so tight in the chamber I had to tap them into the chamber with a leather mallet.  Smile  It was loads of fun to shoot but, I didn't win any matches with it.
I'll let you know how it works out.  It may turn out to be a "hair-splitting" endeavor.
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