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PostSubject: Replacing my Barrel   August 5th 2017, 11:56 am

I have a CVA Hawken with a badly pitted bore and want to replace it.  I have found that Deer Creek Products sells barrels for my rifle and am wondering if anyone has experience with them.  The barrels appear to be NOS and they are "white" so, they will need bluing/browning.  I have no experience with any "after market" barrels and would appreciate any advice, suggestions, opinions etc. about these barrels.  I'd like to have a direct replacement (28" barrel, 1 in 48 twist) and these folks appear to offer what I'm looking for

Any help will be appreciated.
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PostSubject: Re: Replacing my Barrel   August 5th 2017, 12:13 pm

Yep, i've used their barrels a lot of times. Great place to do business with. ALWAYS call and see if they have bigger calibers for the barrel channel width you need. They don't always have everything listed.
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PostSubject: Re: Replacing my Barrel   August 5th 2017, 12:17 pm

Great Jon.  Thanks for the reply.  Do the barrels need to be drilled and tapped for the under-barrel rib? 

Also, is the adjustable rear sight mounted in a dove tail or is it held on with screws?  (too lazy to take it apart and check if myself Smile  )
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PostSubject: Re: Replacing my Barrel   August 5th 2017, 12:21 pm

Nope, everything is dovetailed, drilled/tapped as they do at the factory. Just have to blue the barrel and add your under rib, sights, tenon, nipple.

Its a hybrid set up actually. When you remove the sight, there's a screw AND a dovetail insert.
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PostSubject: Re: Replacing my Barrel   August 5th 2017, 12:56 pm

RowdyJoe, is your barrel a 15/16" or 1" across the flats.  Those barrels come up on ebay fairly regular.  Also, I see a few nice rifles on gun Broker.   I'm just saying if you got an original barrel from a near new rifle or a complete rifle you wouldn't have to prep anything to it except put it on your rifle and go shoot.

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PostSubject: Re: Replacing my Barrel   August 5th 2017, 1:00 pm

@FrontierGander wrote:
Nope, everything is dovetailed, drilled/tapped as they do at the factory. Just have to blue the barrel and add your under rib, sights, tenon, nipple.

Its a hybrid set up actually. When you remove the sight, there's a screw AND a dovetail insert.


Excellent.  Thanks again Jon.  Just what I needed to hear.  I'll place one on order Monday after I find out if they have on in stock.
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PostSubject: Re: Replacing my Barrel   August 5th 2017, 1:12 pm

@Smokin' Joe wrote:
RowdyJoe, is your barrel a 15/16" or 1" across the flats.  Those barrels come up on ebay fairly regular.  Also, I see a few nice rifles on gun Broker.   I'm just saying if you got an original barrel from a near new rifle or a complete rifle you wouldn't have to prep anything to it except put it on your rifle and go shoot.

Hi Joe.  Thanks for the tips.
It's 15/16" with a hooked breech and 1 in 48 twist but, I want to go with a new barrel and ensure it's treated correctly right from the start.  The barrel on this rifle is so pitted it's tearing the patches apart as it leaves the muzzle although, it's produced some surprising groups at 50 yds. 
I got this rifle on Gun Broker and it had many warts.  Can't complain though 'cause the price was definitely right.  So far, I've replace the trigger assy. , the lock, and the barrel will be next.   The only original parts left will be the stock, brass furniture, sights, rib, and tenon.  Smile

Even after replacing the barrel I'll have less money in it than a new one would cost ...and I've gained a ton of experience working on it.
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PostSubject: Re: Replacing my Barrel   August 7th 2017, 1:02 pm

New barrel ordered from Deer Creek Products today.
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PostSubject: Re: Replacing my Barrel   August 7th 2017, 2:05 pm

Glad to hear it, good luck with your barrel! Looking forward to the range report once it is ready.

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PostSubject: Re: Replacing my Barrel   August 7th 2017, 2:40 pm

Thanks Joe. 
I'll try to remember to post progress on getting the barrel ready to shoot and the range report when complete.
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PostSubject: Re: Replacing my Barrel   August 7th 2017, 2:41 pm

good deal! did you get a 54?
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PostSubject: Re: Replacing my Barrel   August 7th 2017, 2:59 pm

No, bought a .50.  I don't plan to hunt with it so, don't see the need right now.  I'll hang on to the old one as I might want to have it bored to a larger cal. some day.  It would be nice to have the choice of two calibers.

Hey Jon.  What should I expect to see when the new barrel arrives?  The pictures on their web site look like the barrels may be stained or rusty on the outside.  Are they?  Will I need to do some sanding to remove any nastyness ?
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PostSubject: Re: Replacing my Barrel   August 7th 2017, 3:15 pm

Probably a little surface rust. Wrap some 100, 150 and 220 grit sand paper around a flat file and hit all the barrel flats to prep them for bluing.
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PostSubject: Re: Replacing my Barrel   August 7th 2017, 4:08 pm

I bought a CVA Mountain pistol kit from Deer Creek. I had to file like crazy to get through the pits that the rust caused while in storage there.

I should have sent it back and requested one with no pits.

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PostSubject: Re: Replacing my Barrel   August 7th 2017, 4:10 pm

@FrontierGander wrote:
Probably a little surface rust. Wrap some 100, 150 and 220 grit sand paper around a flat file and hit all the barrel flats to prep them for bluing.

Ok Jon.  Thanks.
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PostSubject: Re: Replacing my Barrel   August 7th 2017, 4:13 pm

@patocazador wrote:
I bought a CVA Mountain pistol kit from Deer Creek. I had to file like crazy to get through the pits that the rust caused while in storage there.

I should have sent it back and requested one with no pits.


OUCH !  That would not make me happy either. 
You should have returned it as I have no doubt they would have replaced it.  I returned a part due to a broken piece and they didn't hesitate to send a replacement.
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PostSubject: Re: Replacing my Barrel   August 9th 2017, 6:16 pm

I ordered a .54 barrel for my CVA Hawken on Thursday night and it arrived on Saturday. Great service!!

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PostSubject: Re: Replacing my Barrel   August 10th 2017, 12:09 pm

Ordered mine on 8/7 and it is on the truck for delivery today (8/10).  They ship fast.  Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Replacing my Barrel   August 10th 2017, 2:22 pm

Yeeeee Hawwwww !!  New barrel arrived about an hour ago and it is in excellent condition.  It has some oil/grease on it and in it but, that is easily wiped off.  I ran a dry patch down the barrel and WOW what a difference .....smooooooth.  Smile  No rust or stains anywhere.   
Can hardly wait to get it mounted and shooting.  I'm very pleased.
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PostSubject: Re: Replacing my Barrel   August 31st 2017, 10:04 pm

OK, barrel is "blued/blacked" and all parts are installed.  Now I need to get it to the range to sight it in and start the search for best accuracy.  Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Replacing my Barrel   August 31st 2017, 10:10 pm

Good luck! Its always exciting to go out and shoot a new rifle. May want to remove the nipple and clean that out as well, that area LOVES to hide oil and metal shavings.
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PostSubject: Re: Replacing my Barrel   August 31st 2017, 10:26 pm

@FrontierGander wrote:
Good luck! Its always exciting to go out and shoot a new rifle. May want to remove the nipple and clean that out as well, that area LOVES to hide oil and metal shavings.


Thanks Jon.  I've replaced the factory nipple with a Spitfire.  It worked well in the old barrel and should do the same in the new one.  If not, I have a couple of Traditions stainless nipples to try. 

BTW ... I had to shim the front sight to get it tight.  It took about .008" to tighten it up.  The rear sight mounted right up with no problem.  The under rib was a bit choosey about which mounting holes it liked but, I got it figured out. 

Thanks to everyone for all the help and support.  This project has been fun and a great learning experience.  I'll try to remember to take some pictures in the daylight and post them here.
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PostSubject: Re: Replacing my Barrel   September 3rd 2017, 8:09 pm

First range trip was Friday, 9/1, and accuracy was promising.  First 5 shots at 50 yds produced a group tight enough to use as a reference to adjust he sights.  Those hits were about 3 inches high and 3 inches right.  After sight adjustments, best accuracy was a 2.5" group about 1" high from center with windage right on.  I think the sights are "on" so, next trip I'll start concentrating on tightening the group by adjusting ball size, patch material, and amount of patch lube.
I'll save some of my targets and post them as I progress in the search for accuracy.
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PostSubject: Re: Replacing my Barrel   September 4th 2017, 8:16 am

Great to put bring a mistreated gun back to life, isn't it?  I picked up a 50 cal TC Hawken with a sewer pipe bore, just waiting for me to have it rebored to 54.  You're encouraging me to get busy with that.

Keep us posted as you tune your loads. Even better, post pics of your hunts!
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PostSubject: Re: Replacing my Barrel   September 5th 2017, 9:33 pm

BrownBear,
     Yep.  I rebuilt it, shot it, everything worked as it should, and it didn't blow up in my face.   Don't really know if I should feel proud or lucky.  Smile
     Now I'm thinking about having the old barrel re-bored to .54.  It would be nice to have a choice of caliber.  Both of them fit equally well so there should be no problem swapping the barrels. 

I'll be posting targets as I progress through the process but, doubt I'll do any hunting.  However, if the opportunity presents itself ..... ???
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