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PostSubject: SERVICES: TO MAKE THAT MUZZLELOADER SHOOT BETTER.   October 26th 2017, 11:33 am

SERVICES: PRICE DOES NOT INCLUDE RETURN UPS / USPS OR INSURANCE ON SHIPPING.

[The pictures of firearms are for examples of the work we do ONLY.] FORGET IT THEY ARE NOT FOR SALE!
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ACCURACY

Internal Lock Polishing: $45.xx. CVA/Traditions/Siler/L&R locks only. I will polish all moving/mating surfaces and lock plate for a smooth grit free feel. This speeds up lock time and makes it butter smooth.

Trigger Polishing: $20.xx. Work would include the internals of the lock, the double set triggers MUST be polished for a smooth crisp, grit free feel!

Accuracy Bedding: $60.xx. Needed just like a center fire, your wood stock muzzle loader is actually prone to the tang screw/s loosening due to the weaker wood actually pulling the metal parts up and into the wood under heavy recoil! Loose tang screws are a dead giveaway of this happening only after a few shots, killing your accuracy.

NOTE: Wet weather soaking your wood stock also is a common problem. "In order to do the job correctly you will have to send your complete muzzle loader so I can bed all parts as one for the best accuracy possible."

Coning the Muzzle: $35.xx. This procedure in present day is known as "coning”. It was known in the 19th century as a "relieved" muzzle and also as a "funneled" muzzle. Once the rifle has been “coned” it can be loaded rather easily without using the short starter.
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FINISHES

Barrel Browning: $65.xx. I use nothing but the best to brown all muzzle loader barrels. It’s a slow process which generally takes 3 to 5 days to complete properly. This included sights, tang, screws, etc. If it deals with the barrel/attachment. It is included in the price.

Browning Accessories: Contact for price! Butt plate, trigger guard, nose cap, patch box, Etc. Just let me know what all you have and I will work on a price for you.

Stock Refinish: $125.xx. Have an old beauty of a muzzle loader but the stock is looking a little beat up? No problem! All finishes are hand rubbed from the low gloss, matte to high mirror gloss, I can do it in whatever finish you want. Walnut normally does NOT get stained unless the owner wants it reddish or almost black. Good walnut normally never needs staining.


Brush the Brass: $25.xx. To rid that beautiful rifle of yours and that ugly shiny cheap looking brass, I can also provide a Brushed look to your rifles furniture that will age nicely and cut that cheap shininess out! Stop scaring game with that mirror! It’s a hunting rifle, not a beauty pageant!

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PostSubject: Re: SERVICES: TO MAKE THAT MUZZLELOADER SHOOT BETTER.   October 26th 2017, 11:42 am

Jon,  Had several with questions on the different services that you guys are providing.

ACCURACY - Accuracy Bedding: When having this done will my original stock finish be marked or hurt, want to keep it looking original? 

FINISHES - Stock Refinish: How good will the new finish stand up to normal handling when in the field, want a good hard surface to keep moisture out of wood?

PRICING - Better price if several items are done like: action job, triggers, bedding?

Thanks

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PostSubject: Re: SERVICES: TO MAKE THAT MUZZLELOADER SHOOT BETTER.   October 26th 2017, 11:49 am

conner wrote:
Jon,  Had several with questions on the different services that you guys are providing.

ACCURACY - Accuracy Bedding: When having this done will my original stock finish be marked or hurt, want to keep it looking original? 

FINISHES - Stock Refinish: How good will the new finish stand up to normal handling when in the field, want a good hard surface to keep moisture out of wood?

PRICING - Better price if several items are done like: action job, triggers, bedding?

Thanks

No, barrels and stocks are taped then waxed to prevent anything from sticking on them or getting onto them. I also try to remove as much visible bedding compound as much as possible.

I use truoil for stock finishes unless the customers asks for something else. Stock channels and barrel channels also get waxed afterward to help seal them. It makes for super easy cleaning too in the lock area if fouling ever works its way into there. When I do truoil, it goes on super thin and can have as many as 20 to 30 coats, providing a great looking & feeling stock without feeling tacky or have a plastic feel. I like some to have that boil linseed oil look, but have much better protection against foul weather.

I do make deals if the fellow wants the whole works, but the price is given once I am able to see some pictures and get more info on what I will be working with. Sometimes there are findings that need attention before I can start.
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PostSubject: Re: SERVICES: TO MAKE THAT MUZZLELOADER SHOOT BETTER.   October 26th 2017, 12:17 pm

Thanks kid, that should answer the visitors questions that look at the form on a regular bases.

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PostSubject: Re: SERVICES: TO MAKE THAT MUZZLELOADER SHOOT BETTER.   October 26th 2017, 12:26 pm

I'll get some pictures of how I remove some of the bedding once the barrel is in place. I love the solid bedding jobs, but do not like to see it unless its a very large gap, then I can deal with it lol.
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PostSubject: Re: SERVICES: TO MAKE THAT MUZZLELOADER SHOOT BETTER.   November 10th 2017, 9:53 am

im going to add, cryo treating your barrel. also a 1/32 hole drilled into the back of the combustion chamber for pressure relief when the primer goes off and extremely fast ignition no matter what type of powder you use. would never ever cone a muzzle crown. recommend a good perfect muzzle crown but not coneing it. unless you never shoot at any ranges that far out. if you live in forest country, maybe but not good for accuracy anywheres else. some deer we take here with a muzzleloader is 300 yards out. just helped a utah shooter build a side lock that shoot conicals and real black. he is getting hand size groups at 300 yards. it would never do that with a coned muzzle.
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PostSubject: Re: SERVICES: TO MAKE THAT MUZZLELOADER SHOOT BETTER.   November 10th 2017, 12:51 pm

It has been talked about for years, tested and proven (done more times than one wants to know), coning a muzzle has no effect on its accuracy per reports from NMLRA to the NRA. One test about 20 years ago had several championship shooters proved it once again at tests at a Friendship National Match. If you want to see long range shooting with a tradition muzzleloader talk to Doc White.

Here's one of his long range guns that is equivalent of the later 50-140 black powder cartridge, that was a smoker in its day.

#808-  Introducing a flight of the imagination- what might have been!  Bridger Hawken  for   heavy  slugs  up to 600 grains,  half-stock with .500 caliber 1-24,  fast twist,  shallow .040 groove barrel  shoots  elongated lubricated slip-fit bullets, what eventually would have developed in such mountain rifles if cartridges had not come along, Whitworth /White style.


Maple is AAA, conformation classic late  Bridger Hawken. The internal barrel dimensions are the same as any .500 caliber White inline rifle, like the Super 91 or Model 98  and will shoot every bit as well, with the same bullets. 2 inch groups at 200 yards are not uncommon


  

Bullets used  are  slip-fit, sized 1/1oooth less than the land to land diameter of the barrel,  sliding easily down a dirty bore for a quick reload yet super accurate and plenty powerful, with more than 1700 ft. lbs of energy left at 200 yards with maximum loads.


   
Bullets used commonly weigh 400-600 grains and are fired with with up to 150 grains black powder or substitute, easily the equivalent of a 50-140. I am getting to like BlackHorn 209 with a 5 grain black powder igniter.


   
This baby  has got his big boy pants up, with tapered  antique rust blued barrel, case hardened and colored tang, buttplate, trigger guard, rear pipe  and lock,  also fitted  with long bar double bolted long bar DST , 2 under-lugs with keys  and silver surrounds  and  a  heavy ramrod in the best Bridger Hawken fashion.  It’s as truly traditional as I could make it  and  should  shoot  as good as it looks.
  
Not only has  this bad boy  grown up  with color case hardened iron furniture, antique rust blued barrel  and  German  silver roundels   but also has a  real silver plated  fore-end tip,  and a long adjustable rear sight like Gemmer used for accurate long range shooting.
  
 The maple is elegant AAA. If it shoots as good as it  looks, it will  ‘shine’.


Here it is.  Handsome frontier rifles don’t exist.  And shootable!  Fully the equivalent of the later 50-140 black powder cartridge.  POR  OBO

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