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PostSubject: New underhammer question   November 9th 2017, 9:53 pm

Just came in off the truck. Zero markings other than

M2
1977
1:22
45 70

The barrel width is 1 1/8" - Length 30"

This is an underhammer but more of an inline set up with a scope and modern style walnut stock. Super heavy duty like for competition shooting.

Any ideas what I got?

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PostSubject: Re: New underhammer question   November 10th 2017, 2:25 am

"Just came in off the truck. Zero markings other than

M2
1977
1:22 
45 70

The barrel width is 1 1/8" - Length 30"




.45-70? That's a centerfire cartridge.

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PostSubject: Re: New underhammer question   November 10th 2017, 11:09 am

The card on stock has all the load info:

Groove Dia: .457

Patch - .008"

Ball - .437"

Conical - .450"

Black Powder 70GR
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PostSubject: Re: New underhammer question   November 10th 2017, 11:49 am

You got something good, if a bit heavy.
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PostSubject: Re: New underhammer question   November 10th 2017, 6:30 pm

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Just came in off the truck. Zero markings other than

M2  -  1977  -  1:22   -  45 70

The barrel width is 1 1/8" - Length 30"  This is an underhammer but more of an inline set up with a scope and modern style walnut stock. Super heavy duty like for competition shooting.

M2 is probably the serial number, 1977 date made, 1:22 ? twist ?, 45 70 barrel was a surplus barrel that Dixie Gun Works sold 1000's of, of which many showed up as bench guns at Friendship in the 70's and 80's. From the shape of it, from the shape of the rifle it looks like some of the under hammers that Ron Long built and wrote about.

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PostSubject: Re: New underhammer question   November 12th 2017, 6:40 am

with a 1/22 twist you will want to shoot a .440 or a .441 diam paperpatched bullet in front of a 60 thousands wad that is made from fiber or poly. you can dry and not wet wrap with two wraps of number nine paper or one wrap of freezer wrap 18 pound paper. i would do the one wrap of freezer wrap paper. dont shoot over a 425 grain bullet with your 1/22 twist. 400 to 425 is perfect. if the 18 pound paper is a little too thin then go to one wrap of 20 pound computer paper. use 80 grains or real black 2 f behind  the bullet and you will be accurate to a 1000 or 1200 yards. you have a find their, dont know what you paid for it but you have a real shooter. i specialize in getting these guns to shoot and even have built a few. any help i can give you contact me at anytime. this gun is a short range shooter a long range shooter or any range you want to shoot gun. it is built for paperpatch and the single wrap is the best way to go. thanks for letting us see it, strong eagle
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PostSubject: Re: New underhammer question   November 12th 2017, 9:43 am

Jon, several of the muzzle loading builders in Denver built these rifles, some with interchangeable barrel systems for smaller and larger calibers than what you now own.

I had one that the barrel had been turned down to a 1 inch tapered barrel rebored to .500 caliber slug gun style like yours. Heavy slugs up to 600 grains, half-stock - .500 caliber 1-24  fast twist,  shallow .040 groove barrel that would shoot elongated lubricated slip-fit bullets, equivalent to the later 50-140 black powder cartridge. We shot BlackHorn 209 with 5 grain black powder to make this baby go.

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PostSubject: Re: New underhammer question   November 12th 2017, 7:05 pm

go over to castboolits and talk to oldracer, he has several rifles like yours and knows all about what they like to eat.
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PostSubject: Re: New underhammer question   December 11th 2017, 11:23 pm

welp, I got a ton of .440 round balls so I loaded up the rifle with 50gr 3fg GO, .020" patch and .440" round ball. I plan on taking a few shots tomorrow and see how fun she is. With a 1:22 twist, I thought it best to keep the charges light. I may end up keeping her and refinishing the stock to my liking if she shows promise!
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PostSubject: Re: New underhammer question   December 12th 2017, 11:15 am

heres a thought, my thoughts if i owned that gun. the forearm would go away and a very small slim light one would replace it. a lot of wood would come off the back stock. i would shorten the barrel to 26 inches. then as stated above i would paperpatch a .440 or .441 400 grain bullet for it and use it as a really good deer or antelope gun. it would be easier to carry and drive tacks. have the power of a 45/70. also very good for wild hogs. a lot of potential in that gun. i had a 26 inch side lock with a barrel like that. got six deer with it, all with one shot. the shooter i sold it to is using it on hogs down south as i write. he put a 9 power scope on it also.
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PostSubject: Re: New underhammer question   December 12th 2017, 12:04 pm

No stock or barrel work on this one! With the design, its made for a firearm.

Man what a hoot! I shot it at 25 yards to zero the scope and she shoots awesome! A nice loud boom and zero recoil. Accuracy looks outstanding so far, but i am only shooting 25 yrds. I am going to swab the bore, reload my powder tubes and back it out to 50 yards and use my sand bags. It doesnt have an expensive scope, but i am really surprised by the clarity of the glass, very bright and clear.
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