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Kentucky Colonel

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PostSubject: The Worst Hunter in the World   The Worst Hunter in the World Empty2017-11-18, 06:55

The Worst Hunter in the World
 
It was 28 degrees and windy the first day I sat in a blind in Kentucky. By the second day of the start of our season, it was slightly warmer, but still knocking. When I left Florida for the hunt, it was 89 degrees. The weather unexpectedly nose dived in Kentucky right after I arrived so I went out and bought long-johns, wool socks, and a full knit hunter orange cap from Tractor Supply. I also borrowed two extra shirts and was grateful for every layer. Thinsulate in boots Dad gave me from his Color Guard days helped save my poor cold toes.
The Worst Hunter in the World 0yi0sV
I can’t think of anything that can ruin a trip easier than bad feet
 
I was there for deer, but was currently watching three lucky tom turkeys strut to within 10 yards of me. There were feeders active and it is illegal in Kentucky to hunt turkey on a property within 30 days of an active feeder. So, those tasty November birds were safer than a Presidential Pardon with me.
The Worst Hunter in the World QGY3K6
This was a few hundred yards from the blind I sat in
 
Gun shots rang several times through the crisp and colorful woods around me. A couple were close and surely belonged to one of my group of seven hunters. Four of us were the oldest of friends- since the 7th grade. A fifth, I had heard wild stories about for two decades. The last two were new to me, but had the highest of vouches. All told, we had gathered to camp and hunt deer from Montana, Virginia, Kentucky, Indiana, and Florida at the invitation of my old friend, Grumpy. The rest of our party consisted of me, Sluggo, Birdboy, Palehorse, Spartan, and Bear. (Yep. Camp nick-names)
 
The camp was on Grumpy’s private land and he worked hard sowing fields, running game cameras, setting up feeders, setting up blinds, clearing brush, running off trespassers, and making an old retired machine shop on the property habitable for us on this week he has dubbed ‘Heathen Weekend.’ We spent the first two days moving in, prepping food and equipment, and working on the machine shop fixing this and that.
 
I was very grateful for all that effort as I sat with my .50 CVA Hawken on the 2nd day of our hunt hoping for my first chance of the season. The steamy swamps I hunted in Florida the week before had not been kind to me. But, now, I sat far to the north in more familiar, chilly, rolling hills trying to get my chance with the promise of a hot meal, beer, and friends later.
 
Only two of the seven were using black powder rifles. In addition to my CVA, Palehorse had a Lyman .54 percussion cap Trade Rifle. Neither Palehorse nor I had scored a deer. But, four of our modern rifle using friends had downed deer the day before. Three nice sized does and one solid buck: modern 4. BP 0.
 
So, when I got my chance, I was determined. I did not hear the deer approach, but I was down wind- which was good as I had helped dress and skin the day before and my last bath had been a few days earlier. To see the area he appeared in, I had to lean forward and turn to the left which I did slowly from time to time. I was startled to find him there and froze. He was a young spike buck with a large body. I eased my hand to the right to grab my rifle. I had the hammer down so I covered the lock with my gloved hand for noise and… slowly… ‘click!’ He did not seem to be bothered, but he did look up and around. A long weed bobbed from his chewing mouth. His little 7” double spike horns on his big body made him look like an impish devil deer. I waited and he lowered his head… so… ‘click!’ No change… I took my time and drew a bead.
 
I am not overly fond of heights so I have never taken a shot from 20’ in the air before. I was told to correct slightly higher so I did. He was slightly angled, full broadside to me with head pointed to my right… at 15 yards… the perfect shot. I breathed deep and slow and let it out slow. I pulled the set trigger and told myself, “Don’t jerk the trigger… Kiss it...” …BANG!
 
Got him,” I thought to myself, satisfied. “You did everything right.
 
But, the devil deer did not drop. To my great surprise, he ran 10 yards, turned and paused. “Ah, this is where he will drop,” I thought- just before he ran off and out of sight looking completely unfazed. “What?! I missed him?!! How?” I checked my hands for adrenaline shakes as I slowly re-loaded. The hands were steady as a rock. I re-ran the shot in my mind over and over again. Did the angle make me go high?
 
I was not going to rush down and push the deer if I had hit him. I waited 15 minutes before leaving the blind to look for blood. Nothing. No blood. No hair. Nothing. My heart sank. I did not know how, but I had missed the hunting equivalent of a lay-up.
 
I could not try to track him, yet, either. One important rule from Grumpy was that none of us could leave our blinds or stands until after 10:00 am to keep us from wandering into firing lanes and/or spooking another hunter’s deer. It was around 0800 so I had time to try and work out what had happened. I could not believe I had missed that shot. I haven’t missed a paper target that size and that distance in three years. I went back to the blind and physically repeated every move.
 
Then it hit me. I had added a touch of white-out to my front sight for dusk or dawn low light. I could not see that part of my sight against the morning lit background in front of me. I had aimed with the start of the black of the iron sight below the whited out part. That maybe meant that I shot way high?
 
I spent the remaining two hours in the blind beating myself up and deciding I should have picked golf as a hobby.
 
The Worst Hunter in the World KqrCm7
We had the services of a Viking and a Rhino ATV
 
When Sluggo and Bear pulled up in the Rhino, the first thing Sluggo asked me was, “Was that you that shot?” I had decided to say little. (It does happen.) “Yeah, I took a shot. Missed.” There were many more questions. I could see I wasn’t going to escape that easy. I decided to sum it up and cut to the chase. “I was close enough. I am the worst hunter in the world. I don’t know how I could have missed that shot.” Sluggo and Bear are both way more experienced than me. I was embarrassed. “Show me where he was,’ Sluggo said.
 
I walked them through the whole thing while Bear looked for hair and blood. He did not find any. When I was done, Sluggo looked thoughtful and said, “Well, we need you to come with me to help with a big buck and a doe that fell down a ravine.” He looked at Bear and said, “You stay here and try to track. I think there is a chance he hit him.” Bear nodded in agreement. I was surprised, but shrugged and nodded. I would go and help in Bear’s place and let him track my deer. I am much bigger and can be helpful moving stubborn things. My camp nickname was Rhino. (Thundering Rhino when they were making fun of my snoring.)  But, Bear was the much better tracker. He was Guide level. The switch made sense, but I held out little hope.
 
We found Birdboy and Palehorse together near the two downed and field dressed deer. It turns out that Palehorse was the one who scored both deer, but he had switched out his front stuffer for a Ruger American .308 WIN bolt action. It turned out to be a lucky thing for him. He shot the doe and was getting ready to climb down to look at it when a big buck came over the ridge and went to her. Palehorse slowly grabbed his rifle and fumbled a new cartridge into it while keeping his eyes locked on the buck. And, BANG. The biggest buck with the nicest rack of our group was his.
The Worst Hunter in the World P7JJqC
He was simply beautiful and turned out to be the King buck for us
 
Palehorse is one of my three oldest friends. I worked on the family farm with his father in my youth. Palehorse has 30 years of deer seasons under his belt and has taken a lot of deer for food and a lot of nice bucks. This was his biggest ‘trophy’ animal. He was clearly, quietly, very happy. I congratulated him on his doe and his prize buck as we worked to get them secure. He smiled and quizzed me on my shot.
 
When he heard it all, he said, “I think you hit him.” I blinked in confusion because he seemed so confident about it. What on earth in my story convinced him of that? It was clear that I did not believe I hit him. “Why?” I asked. “Deer don’t jump unless they are hit. Was his white tail up when he ran away?” I thought briefly and answered, “No.” He nodded with certainty. “You hit him,” he said. "How can you be so sure?" I asked. "I listened to what you said happened. Then you said, 'I can't believe I missed that shot.' That was a tip off. And... I've seen you shoot," he said. I wasn't certain if he was serious or just trying to make me feel better. Did I hit him? And, if so, did I hit him hard enough to drop him? I didn’t want a wounded deer left in the woods. But, if I did hit him where I was trying to hit him, how could he have stayed on his feet?
 
We went back to the job at hand.
 
Lordy! That big ole boy was across a small chasm with a shallow creek at the bottom. We hauled both the doe and the buck to the narrowest and lowest spot to get it close to the Rhino. Despite the field dress, it still took two of us to drag the buck- and three to get him up over the lip of the ditch. We had just finished getting both into the Rhino when Birdboy looked up from a text on his cell phone. “Spike buck recovered. Bring the Rhino.” I had to ask him to repeat it because I had a hard time believing what I heard. When it got through my thick ears, I let out a yell, did a little involuntary jig, and we all started laughing.
The Worst Hunter in the World LHfs31
Gun and devil deer back at the camp
 
It turns out that my .490 Hornady round ball had torn through him and exited on the other side. It was slightly higher than I tried for and to the left a few inches which was likely caused by the unfamiliar twist and lean to the left and forward from the blind. He was diaphragm and liver shot. Bear tracked him 80 yards before he saw the first blood. That devil deer traveled a total of 180 yards before dropping.
The Worst Hunter in the World AoKtuP
Day two results with devil deer at the bottom
 
When we had loaded the devil deer, we got another text. “Another deer down. Send the Viking.” By the time we all got back to the camp with all our deer, the seven of us had netted eight deer in two days- 4 does and 4 bucks. We had a lot of work to do. We were going to process all our deer right there.
 
The Worst Hunter in the World QDOXbS
Devil deer is in the middle. Grumpy rigged the stand up & we also used a tree.
 
This was a big harvest to deal with. Plus, Grumpy had bought new processing equipment that we needed to sort out and learn. We also had to rotate two of us back into the woods. Birdboy and Bear still had hunting to do. But first, we had to dress and skin.
The Worst Hunter in the World 3QhU1I
Making sure he doesn’t cut off the wrong appendages
 
I dressed and carefully skinned devil deer- I had plans for the hide if I could work it out, but we worked in turns and shifts and sometimes on several deer at the same time. I gutted three and skinned two while listening to pointers. We swapped off turns at cooking food and bringing the occasional beer while stoking the fire. Five of us rotated work at that while two others worked on boning the carcasses. Spartan and I would make supply runs as needed. It was a merry orchestrated chaos.
 
This went on until we called it a night and watched NFL football on a computer with a portable hotspot, a Dish subscription, and a projector as we swapped stories over food and more beer. I sliced up some liver and a heart and fried it in a big cast iron skillet. The heart was a hit. The liver, not so much. I enjoyed it all immensely.
The Worst Hunter in the World XWK7jU
It’s a good play
 
We ran into two big bottlenecks after we finished skinning. The boning took the most skilled hands and that meant Grumpy, Bear, or Palehorse. But, Palehorse needed to supervise assembling half the new equipment with Spartan. That new equipment was our other bottleneck. So, that left me and Sluggo to figure out the other half of the stuff. We also worked the seasoning and measuring for the first round of jerky and sausage because Birdboy was still in the woods trying to fill his tag. We had no way of weighing the pork and venison so we had to figure a work around.
 
The Worst Hunter in the World JWEfCK
It worked out. Our first Jerky
 
But, then we cleared the hurdles and hit a rhythm together and we went into the final trim and grind. Birdboy was back. He was still deerless, but pitched in on the trimming.
The Worst Hunter in the World Zkj5eJ
Meat, Meat, Meat!
 
We made jerky, mild Italian sausage, hot Italian sausage, summer sausage, ground hamburger, and breakfast sausage. None of us have a final weight, but I’m guessing around three hundred pounds of finished, packaged venison.
 
The Worst Hunter in the World EW1fS0
Some summer sausage
 
The Worst Hunter in the World F3ZYbo
            First meat processed and packaged. It’s a sausage party!
 
We staggered to the finish as we cleaned all the equipment with limited water supplies. (I finally bathed using only three 16.9 oz. bottles of water!) Shortly after, we dug into hot venison chili with cold beer when Grumpy shared a surprise with us. He had placed game cams in new places the day before our first hunt. He wanted to see what the deer were doing when we were in the woods and how they shifted after we started hunting. He ran a slide show of the camera’s records and we ticked off the locations. And, surprise! The new patterns revealed the possibility that new bucks were moving into the recently emptied turf including a BIG unknown eleven point.
 
The Worst Hunter in the World T7Btgo
Devil deer 3 days before I met him and before the temperature dropped
 
Birdboy and Bear rushed into their gear and out the door. They had just enough time to get to where they thought they had a chance. They were hunting outside the blinds from the ground now.
 
Meanwhile, with Bear’s help, I had found a place that would tan my pelt. Arlington Cape, LLC walked me through the preparation process. (Not ready for my own brain tan) Don’t freeze it if you don’t want the hair to fall out. Lay it flat, scrape meat and fat, avoid making extra holes, and cover in salt. I used 50 lbs (you may use less) of mineral free, fine salt. If the salt covering shows damp, add more salt. I got mine from Tractor Supply. Leave it in a protected, enclosed environment for a few days. Then hang it fur down and skin up until it turns white and is stiff to fold. Send it flat like a pizza if it gets too stiff to fold.  Ship to a trusted tanner.
The Worst Hunter in the World PD2amG
We’ll see how the devil deer pelt turns out. We won’t move it till December
 
Birdboy did not have any more luck so he came up empty. But, he had missed the whole first day of the hunt traveling back from a Masons event way out of state. The breakdown of who took what is below.
 
Heathen Weekend Results
Deer TakenHunterWeaponAmmo
 Day 1  
DoeSpartanSpringfield Armory M1AHornady 155 GR expanding point (Blew a very large 6.5 inch exit hole)
DoeBearRemington 700 300WSM, Leopold vxl 4.5x14x50Federal Fusion 180 GR
Doe SluggoBrowning A-Bolt 30-06 Springfield, Nikon Buckmaster 4.5-14 scopeHornady Superformance 180 GR SST
Buck (Fork Horn)GrumpyRemington 750 in 30-06 (A Sluggo hand-me-down)Hand loads by Palehorse

 
 
 Day 2  
DoePalehorseRuger American 308 WIN, Wolf Camo pattern stock, Harris mini bipod, Redhead adjustable sling, Nikon Gen2 Prostaff 2-7x32mm scope in Leupold rings Remington PSP Core-Lokt 150 grain
Buck (Spike Buck)RhinoCVA .50 Hawken Percussion CapHornady .490 Round Ball, Goex 2F, Remington #11 caps
Buck (9 pt) PalehorseRuger American 308 WIN, Wolf Camo pattern stock, Harris mini bipod, Redhead adjustable sling, Nikon Gen2 Prostaff 2-7x32mm scope in Leupold ringsRemington PSP Core-Lokt 150 grain
Buck (7 pt)SluggoMarlin 336 XLR 30/30 Win, Nikon 2-7 ProStaff scopeFederal Power Shok 170 GR Soft Point RN
Total8  
Other Guns Used for the Hunt that brought no meat home
Birdboy:
TIKKA T3, .270WSM, Leupold VX-3 4.5-14x40, Federal Fusion 150 GR
&
Marlin 1895GS, 45/70 Govt., Leupold Rifleman 3-9x40, Hornady LEVERevolution 325 GR FTX
Rhino:
Model 71 Winchester by Browning lever action .348 WIN 200 GR FTX Hornady
w/46.6 grain IMR 4320 powder hand loads
Palehorse
Lyman percussion Trade Rifle, .54 1:48 twist over GOEX 2F w/ CCI Magnum Primers and Hornady Great Plains Bullet
 
The Worst Hunter in the World Jv9QTV
High flames and tall tales
 
This was just the best of times with old friends, new friends, and in the best of conditions doing the things we all love. I won’t forget this hunt. Neither will Palehorse. His deer, the Heathen Weekend King Buck, is being European dry mounted at the taxidermist’s as we speak. We spent the last day cleaning the camp, packing, and cleaning guns as we lied to each other about our past conquests. Spartan, the third of my oldest friends, and I even got to take some meat to both our parents before I flew home. 

Just. The. Best. Times. Ever.

The End

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over the good fortune of others." 
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PostSubject: Re: The Worst Hunter in the World   The Worst Hunter in the World Empty2017-11-18, 07:14

You guys had a great time and got some great venison. Congrats
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PostSubject: Re: The Worst Hunter in the World   The Worst Hunter in the World Empty2017-11-18, 08:20

Well, it turns out that you're not the worst hunter after all. Laughing  Congrats on the spike. Good eating awaits.

Two things:
1) All my hunting life the "experts" (magazine writers) said that with either uphill OR downhill shots, aim a little low .. never high. They explained about the relationship of the barrel to the sights to your eyes etc. but I never really understood it .. still don't.
2) "my old friend, Grumpy. The rest of our party consisted of me, Sluggo, Birdboy, Palehorse, Spartan, and Bear." 
Which one are you? Sleepy or Dopey? Wink  (Sorry, couldn't resist.)

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PostSubject: Re: The Worst Hunter in the World   The Worst Hunter in the World Empty2017-11-18, 08:47

BREAKING:
The Worst Hunter in the World WJqfeW
Birdboy's Revenge

I just got a text. "Got a surprise. Was in the house making tea when the deer Birdboy shot with a bow walks up. You can see where he was related to the house. Was still in PJs." 
The Worst Hunter in the World Ef5ogr
Birdboy's redemption 

Sluggo and Birdboy traveled together from Virginia. He was staying the night with Sluggo before heading home. What a season.

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PostSubject: Re: The Worst Hunter in the World   The Worst Hunter in the World Empty2017-11-18, 10:05

Friends in a hunting camp sharing the work and having a good time is as good as it gets, memories forever!
Congrats to you and all your buddies on your harvests and lots of good meat.

If you do not want the "click" when cocking the hammer, pull the trigger back before pulling hammer. When the hammer is back ease the trigger forward. To be safe hold a finger between hammer and nipple to be sure hammer caught on sear.

If you are 20' up in a tree and shooting 15 yards to a target, your projectile will hit where you aim.

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PostSubject: Re: The Worst Hunter in the World   The Worst Hunter in the World Empty2017-11-18, 14:21

Lies, and damn lies Wink

And for the record, I liked the liver.
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PostSubject: Re: The Worst Hunter in the World   The Worst Hunter in the World Empty2017-11-18, 16:36

@Palehorse wrote:
Lies, and damn lies Wink

And for the record, I liked the liver.

Hey! There's the champ! king

You liked the liver? Well, you also like Clamato and peaty Scotch so, I don't know what that says about you. Laughing 
I did not mind the liver. I don't know what that says about me.

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over the good fortune of others." 
― Robert Heinlein


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PostSubject: Re: The Worst Hunter in the World   The Worst Hunter in the World Empty2017-11-18, 17:08

Aiming high:

The real Target is 'inside' the cavity. On a level shot, the 2D Target does not like. But in 3D, the path the vitals is a straight line from the deep center of mass of the volume, through the hide, and on up to the elevated stand.

We had a few folks blow hole out the bottom or side of deer briskets, sometimes only getting a single lung, and generally making a mess. Just remember the vital target is lies several inches inside the thoracic cavity.

Now bullet drop at long ranges at extremes of elevation is probably more of a centerfire discussion.
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PostSubject: Re: The Worst Hunter in the World   The Worst Hunter in the World Empty2017-11-19, 05:20

@Palehorse wrote:
Aiming high:

The real Target is 'inside' the cavity.  On a level shot, the 2D Target does not like.  But in 3D, the path the vitals is a straight line from the deep center of mass of the volume, through the hide, and on up to the elevated stand.

We had a few folks blow hole out the bottom or side of deer briskets, sometimes only getting a single lung, and generally making a mess.  Just remember the vital target is lies several inches inside the thoracic cavity.

Now bullet drop at long ranges at extremes of elevation is probably more of a centerfire discussion.

Simpler, please, big brain. Me no understand

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PostSubject: Re: The Worst Hunter in the World   The Worst Hunter in the World Empty2017-11-19, 07:00

Grate story and nice photoes.Darn good hutn and prossing of game with good friends,Now that would be real hard to beat.'Thanks for a grate post K C. :rtup
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PostSubject: Re: The Worst Hunter in the World   The Worst Hunter in the World Empty2017-11-19, 07:05

"1) All my hunting life the "experts" (magazine writers) said that with either uphill OR downhill shots, aim a little low .. never high. They explained about the relationship of the barrel to the sights to your eyes etc. but I never really understood it .. still don't."


Being a long time bowhunter, I guess I just automatically "see" the internal anatomy of an animal when shooting down or at a forward or backward angle. I shoot to hit right above the heart so as to allow for error. 
As stated, the heart is low in the chest so shooting at the outside point where the heart would be on a 2-D target, the projectile wouldn't enter the chest cavity far enough to penetrate the heart. It would bust out at the bottom of the brisket.

The UP & DOWN I was referring to is with a centerfire rifle with a scope when shooting uphill or downhill and I don't understand that concept worth beans. Fortunately, Florida doesn't have many hills.

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PostSubject: Re: The Worst Hunter in the World   The Worst Hunter in the World Empty2017-11-19, 07:26

The gravity vector perpendicular to the line of flight, equal to the cosine of elevation times G, decreases from a maximum of 1G to 0G as the angle approaches shooting straight up. For example, shooting a deer 300 yards away and 200 feet below you on a mountain side in Colorado, gravity is reduced by 6 percent.

Thus an issue for extreme range, and as patocazador indicates, quite the opposite aiming convention is required for shooting bow/muzzleloader ranges.

Deer flinching and dropping to spring at the sound of the bow string is another wrinkle for archers to contend.
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PostSubject: Re: The Worst Hunter in the World   The Worst Hunter in the World Empty2017-11-19, 07:40

"The gravity vector perpendicular to the line of flight, equal to the cosine of elevation times G, decreases from a maximum of 1G to 0G as the angle approaches shooting straight up. For example, shooting a deer 300 yards away and 200 feet below you on a mountain side in Colorado, gravity is reduced by 6 percent."


OH! I never heard it explained in plain English like that before. How simple.   pale scratch


I got a C- in Trigonometry in college and I dropped my Calculus class before I got an F.

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PostSubject: Re: The Worst Hunter in the World   The Worst Hunter in the World Empty2017-11-19, 11:08

Nice read 'Colonel.  :rtup    Brings back many great camp memories of camp life.

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PostSubject: Re: The Worst Hunter in the World   The Worst Hunter in the World Empty2017-11-20, 07:24

That is a fine writeup! Nicely done, Colonel!

Friends out in the woods, doing an activity all enjoy, working together and enjoying the bounty together - it doesn't get much better.
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PostSubject: Re: The Worst Hunter in the World   The Worst Hunter in the World Empty2017-11-29, 15:39

@patocazador wrote:
"The gravity vector perpendicular to the line of flight, equal to the cosine of elevation times G, decreases from a maximum of 1G to 0G as the angle approaches shooting straight up. For example, shooting a deer 300 yards away and 200 feet below you on a mountain side in Colorado, gravity is reduced by 6 percent."


OH! I never heard it explained in plain English like that before. How simple.   pale scratch

I corralled my big brained friend and forced him to explain it to me slow- on the 'Show and Tell' level. 
Once I got it, I understood why some say 'aim high' from a height and some say 'aim low.' It all 
depends on how you think. It also explains why John Nelson is right, too.

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Shot From the Ground VS. Shot From the Elevated Blind



So, if you look at this pic, you can see why some would 'see' the elevated shot as being 'higher.' The entry point of the bullet is higher on the animal. It can't be the same as the shot from level. That shot does actually enter lower on the animal. Both shots clip the top of the heart. BUT, we don't have to alter our aim. As John Nelson says, "If you are 20' up in a tree and shooting 15 yards to a target, your projectile will hit where you aim." He is right.

I can see why the writing about this is so dang confusing. This pic also explains the shot I took- to me. My next elevated one will be a lot more confidently done.

Palehorse's other explanation about distance shots and angles still needs simplifying. Look, he drinks Clamato and likes it. He ain't normal. We are trying to train him to speak to humans. Laughing

Side Note: I went to the final muzzle loader match of the year with Central Florida Muzzle Loaders. The first shot I tried? The hammer failed to lock back. The firing spring broke. The last shot I made before it broke? Yep. The devil deer shot. If it had failed one shot earlier... no deer for me. Whew!

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Thanks for the very nice account of your hunting camp.   i miss hunting with the  folks back in West Virginia.
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PostSubject: Re: The Worst Hunter in the World   The Worst Hunter in the World Empty2018-05-07, 08:18

@Kentucky Colonel wrote:

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We’ll see how the devil deer pelt turns out. We won’t move it till December
 

I was sent an Tanner's invoice this week from Arlington Cape, LLC of Ohio (I thought they were in Virginia) for the finished pelt. It ended up costing only 68 dollars in the end. (I had been quoted 150!) They put up with a lot of newbish questions, too. The Devil Deer pelt will be shipped to me today. 

I can't wait to see it. bounce

We tried to move it from under the salt to hang it in December. When we hung it, it never turned white. We were advised to pack it up and ship it ASAP. It has been with Arlington since early February.

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PostSubject: Re: The Worst Hunter in the World   The Worst Hunter in the World Empty2018-05-09, 17:54

I just got the package. I have a big, stupid grin on my face.

Its pretty. Its soft, supple, and there appears to be no shed at all! I would have taken a better picture, but the dog is convinced that it is his to hunt. I had to hang it out of his reach.

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I'm very happy with it. Nice how a hunt can bring a big grin long after it is over, eh? This will be very useful and enjoyed for a long time. I am glad I tried it.

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PostSubject: Re: The Worst Hunter in the World   The Worst Hunter in the World Empty2018-05-09, 18:36

Deer hair is brittle. Be careful with it or you will have a ratty-looking hide down the road.

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PostSubject: Re: The Worst Hunter in the World   The Worst Hunter in the World Empty2018-05-10, 08:48

Hair on hide are nice to hang on the wall but don't use them on the floor, over a couch or chair, or lay on them. That's when the "brittle" part comes in and the hair breaks down (the hair is hollow like a straw). You see hair on hides used to display guns, etc. on walls or in display cases.

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PostSubject: Re: The Worst Hunter in the World   The Worst Hunter in the World Empty2018-05-10, 10:36

Thanks, Bob. Thanks, Buck. 

I will use it as a display piece only. I was unaware that the hair was so brittle. It would be a shame to ruin the way it looks. It is very nice. It will set off display items very nicely.

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PostSubject: Re: The Worst Hunter in the World   The Worst Hunter in the World Empty2018-05-10, 12:21

If you manage to kill a Florida deer the first part of Bow season in our area or before October down south, the deer may still be red (in its summer coat). These hairs are not hollow and are much less brittle. They make better hair-on skins.

I knew a fellow who tied flies for fishing. He always came and collected my deer skins to use for mouse-looking flies. He always begged me for a "summer skin". One year I killed a doe the first day of bow season that was still red. I called him and he rushed over. He thanked me about 30 times for that hide because the mouse lures would sink not float like they did with winter deer skins. The winter-killed hides with hollow hair would float. 
He later sold me 5 pistols for $50 each because he didn't use them anymore. One was a .45 Colt auto that was tricked out with target sights and a trigger job. Another was a Walther P-38 that I gave to my son.

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PostSubject: Re: The Worst Hunter in the World   The Worst Hunter in the World Empty2018-05-11, 06:05

@Kentucky Colonel wrote:
Thanks, Bob. Thanks, Buck. 

I will use it as a display piece only. I was unaware that the hair was so brittle. It would be a shame to ruin the way it looks. It is very nice. It will set off display items very nicely.

About the only tanned (hair on) animal hide that I have found that doesn't loose its hair with being use on the ground is buffalo, bear, and sheep. When we still attended rendezvous you would see new comers using deer, elk and antelope for ground covers. In a short time those hides started loosing hair, now that hair is all over the inside of their lodging, in their gear and so on. If you watch what old fur coats are made of you'll find buffalo, bear, and sheep hides being used. Smart move KC, that's a very nice hide.

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