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PostSubject: Re: My New Lyman GPR 50 Cal.   January 16th 2018, 1:50 pm

Let's try to remember that this area is for round ball topics guys. No in lines either.
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PostSubject: Re: My New Lyman GPR 50 Cal.   January 16th 2018, 4:02 pm

you guys have got me going, i dreamed of building a penn. 45 cal round ball side lock last night. 1/56 twist. 42 inch barrel. the only thing that is keeping me from doing it is money. got one more colt to buy and that a uberti 1851 mason 38 special conversion with a short barrel. takes me awhile to save enough for my toys. after that will be the penn long rifle. as far as accuracy goes that is my main goal. many years ago i made a commitment to accuracy and studied every thing poss about it. my guns are accurate. its a matter of right length of bullet for the twist, then the right powder charge. gun has to be built right also. the two brothers who i consulted on bullet and charge made 3 inch groups at a contest at 500 yards from a rest. they really made some old timers mad as they were shooting something different in a bullet then the old timers. i cant claim this one but to show you what can be done a muzzleloader shooter with a paperpatched bullet made  1000 yard shots at a nine inch group to win a match on the east cost a few year back. those guys who shoot bench muzzleloaders and load with a starter do bumble bee size groups at 200 yards. a utah man i consulted on building a sidelock gets 3 inch groups at 200 yards. im not satisfied with that but he is blowing away the local compitition. if any one want to message me a tell me what they have i can help make it better. ask koger who is a menber here. we have hunted together, he is into accuracy also. he got three deer in a nebraska hunt with me a year ago. one at 100 yards with a easy shot. one at 180 yards and another at 190 yards. muzzle loader can do this and way more out their. mine was a good 200 yard shot this year. accuracy isnt rocket science and i know the science of it, round ball or some kind of bullet. just want every one to have fun. strong eagle
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PostSubject: Re: My New Lyman GPR 50 Cal.   January 16th 2018, 4:51 pm

I was fortunate in picking up a used GPR in .54 cal. The owner before me had not only cared for this rifle, but draw filed off all the writing on the barrel and it looks like he refinished the wood. As far as I am concerned, I have a better than new GPR that shoots very well.
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PostSubject: Re: My New Lyman GPR 50 Cal.   January 16th 2018, 6:34 pm

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I was fortunate in picking up a used GPR in .54 cal. The owner before me had not only cared for this rifle, but draw filed off all the writing on the barrel and it looks like he refinished the wood. As far as I am concerned, I have a better than new GPR that shoots very well.
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Sounds like one of my old GPR's. Who did you get it from?

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PostSubject: Re: My New Lyman GPR 50 Cal.   January 16th 2018, 6:57 pm

Pete,
I have to look through my old emails to find the name of the seller. This is the description of the GPR from the seller:


"Lyman GPR  caplock 54 cal rifle
Up for sale is a Lyman GPR , caplock, .54 cal rifle. In excellent used condition, well maintained. It was a kit rifle and the barrel has been "sanitized" per the draw filing method described on this forum with excellent results. The barrel has no rust or pitting. All furniture and barrel is rust browned. It has a beautiful walnut stock. Very accurate with a patched round ball.
 
It has a Hot Shot nipple. Both the front and rear sights were replaced to make the rifle more inline with the originals I had seen pics of. I'd start with 65 grns. of 3F with the balls and patch material I included. I always use Hoppes #9 Plus for a patch lube after being schooled by some good folks on the forum, you can shoot at least 15- 20 shots before it needs a wipe. Good stuff. The trigger is a jewel also, nice feel, I'm sure you will enjoy it as much as I did."


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PostSubject: Re: My New Lyman GPR 50 Cal.   January 16th 2018, 7:12 pm

What caught my eye was the barrel defarbed, but now that I think back that gun was a flintlock.

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PostSubject: Re: My New Lyman GPR 50 Cal.   January 16th 2018, 11:54 pm

Super excited they are sending me a new stock.
However, I was really excited the first time to get rifle back with a new stock but 
that did not turn out well. I keep thinking, is this going to be a finished stock or one from a kit gun.
Fingers crossed  Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: My New Lyman GPR 50 Cal.   January 17th 2018, 7:54 am

You might be better off with a kit stock so you can work it to be a better fit than the factory does. I'm guessing it will be finished.

I have a new Deerstalker that has the worse fit i've ever seen on a Lyman before. Easily fixed with some sanding, but we shouldn't have to do that when we buy a gun.

I'll use the Deerstalker, but i'm saving up for a custom built Isaac Haines flintlock longrifle. The smaller swamped barrel should feel lighter than the Hawken style guns. Even if it is 38" long it should have a lighter feel. Overall weight of gun is just 7 1/2lbs. I also always wanted a flintlock with a good lock and barre. It will have a Siler/chambers lock and Rice barrel. I hope i'll like it.

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PostSubject: Re: My New Lyman GPR 50 Cal.   January 23rd 2018, 3:56 pm

Well, I received my stock.
It is finished with butt plate and nose cap.
But guess what, it also has a crack under the lock  Rolling Eyes
I have not seen yet if anything fits right., not sure if where the crack is will effect anything or not.
I am done with Lyman, bring on the Traditions !
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PostSubject: Re: My New Lyman GPR 50 Cal.   January 23rd 2018, 4:02 pm

oh wow! That's hair pulling time.
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PostSubject: Re: My New Lyman GPR 50 Cal.   January 23rd 2018, 8:58 pm

Well I the crack is where recoil will be an issue  Rolling Eyes
I am not going to try to repair it because of where it is.
Also it will take some work to get everything to fit proper.
I am going to work over my original stock maybe later in the spring.
But for now I am just going to shoot it and have fun.
I will be contacting Lyman to express my disappointment and let them know I am done.
This is such a bummer, the first one I bought many years ago was Awesome.
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PostSubject: Re: My New Lyman GPR 50 Cal.   January 25th 2018, 8:44 pm

OK,
Emailed John at Lyman.
He is going to send me another stock.
Seems they are trying to make this right.
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PostSubject: Re: My New Lyman GPR 50 Cal.   January 25th 2018, 9:39 pm

Can you take pictures of both stocks?
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PostSubject: Re: My New Lyman GPR 50 Cal.   January 25th 2018, 11:35 pm

First stock:



Second stock:

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PostSubject: Re: My New Lyman GPR 50 Cal.   January 26th 2018, 11:26 am

WOW, yeah not good at all! The walnut is bad at cracking and chipping, but that is a bad area to have it in considering that the tang screws run through that area or close by.
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PostSubject: Re: My New Lyman GPR 50 Cal.   January 31st 2018, 10:18 pm

Received my second replacement stock.
It is the worst of all three  Shocked
Apparently no one is inspecting the stocks before they are sent to me.
I just emailed them with pics and will call them tomorrow.
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PostSubject: Re: My New Lyman GPR 50 Cal.   January 31st 2018, 11:08 pm

What a freakin joke! Im making sure to share this on facebook, other forums as well as keeping Lyman informed of the lack of quality/quality control. That thing is junk and looks like it dry rotting with all that crumbly wood.

By the way, I HIGHLY suggest you tell lyman that you want an entire NEW rifle. This is not good!
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PostSubject: Re: My New Lyman GPR 50 Cal.   January 31st 2018, 11:26 pm

I thought these would be better quality being made by Investarms.
My first Lyman GPR several years ago was a Beauty. what the heck happened ?
I won't buy another.
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PostSubject: Re: My New Lyman GPR 50 Cal.   February 1st 2018, 5:46 am

with cracks, i make sure their is no oil in them, just bare wood. then i drill a hole in the middle of them if the crack is hidden. small hole. then i keep putting super liquid glue in the crack via the little hole in the middle. let it dry for a day or so. never had one come apart after that. if the crack is where you can see it on the stock, make sure that area is stained the way you want it as you cannot stain super glued wood. you can stain it before you glue it though. open the crack some with pressure and put in thin liquid super glue. release and let dry. it will stay together. if the crack is the opposite side of the lock on the stock. i glue and pin from the top with a stainless steel sheet metal screw. first glue the crack. then from the top drill a very small hole down through the crack. take a non tappered sheet metal screw and put some super glue on the threads and screw it into the hole flush. that crack will never ever move again. cracks dont bother me. i was given a savage barn 22 gun with the stock in pieces. when i was done with it it was a very good gun to shoot and to look at. my son uses it on his trap line to finish the coons he catches frequently. their are so many frozen coon on the deck that ive stopped counting them. cracks are nothing, just fix them. beech almost never cracks, maple rarely, walnut is prone to it, never make a gun stock out of even a beautiful piece of oak. oak will start coming apart with the first shot you fire.cherry lasts forever and never ever warps.
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PostSubject: Re: My New Lyman GPR 50 Cal.   February 1st 2018, 7:22 am

With a "Brand New" rifle you don't want to be repairing cracks.  You're paying for a brand new stock "with out" cracks.  Lyman should be able to make this right.  An old barn gun is a different story.

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PostSubject: Re: My New Lyman GPR 50 Cal.   February 1st 2018, 10:09 am

shoot, that old shotgun from the 1880s is in better shape than that stock.
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PostSubject: Re: My New Lyman GPR 50 Cal.   February 1st 2018, 10:25 am

I wonder if they changed the wood supplier? They never had that problem in the old days and the old guns had a crazy looking grain. It's pretty plain now.

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PostSubject: Re: My New Lyman GPR 50 Cal.   February 1st 2018, 1:33 pm

I bought a new Lyman GPR last fall around the first of November from Mid South . I haven't looked for cracks in the stock but the wood in my stock has a very open grain and if it is some kind of Walnut it is a poor piece. Other than  wood aesthetics it seems to be OK. I am going to check it out thoroughly this weekend.
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PostSubject: Re: My New Lyman GPR 50 Cal.   February 1st 2018, 2:35 pm

Bear Claw wrote:
I wonder if they changed the wood supplier? They never had that problem in the old days and the old guns had a crazy looking grain. It's pretty plain now.
Yeah, the new stocks hardly have any grain in them at all. Look like old pressboard.

It looks to me like they are working those stocks with too high moisture content and those cracks happen when they finish drying.

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PostSubject: Re: My New Lyman GPR 50 Cal.   February 1st 2018, 5:33 pm

The blanks those stocks were made from were not properly seasoned.  They were probably kiln dried.  They get the blanks on the cheap and then hope no one complains. 

45-50 years ago i cut an sold thousands of walnut stock blanks.
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