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PostSubject: how to reduce the recoil of a rifle   December 5th 2017, 3:44 pm

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nobody wants a muzzle loader that recoil makes you not want to shoot it. if yours is that way do this. go to miday on the internet and order a dead mule. dead mules cant kick. cost about 70 plus dollars. install it under the front forestock, in the the back stock under the butt plate or recoil pad or under the barrel infront of the forestock. make sure the arrow is pointing foreward. they do work and work very well. some guns ive built needed them and some didnt, cant tell you why.they are called a dead mule for a reason.
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PostSubject: Re: how to reduce the recoil of a rifle   December 5th 2017, 10:06 pm

My cva wolf kicked me bad, I ended up putting a Nikon  inline scope on it with the 5 inch eye relief and when I went out to shoot the gun I noticed a big difference in recoil. I am at a loss as to why this is so but I don't really care why I am just happy as heck. possibly holding the gun to my shoulder differently now that I don't have to crawl the stock to get a proper eye relief. I could easily shoot 100 grains of blackhorn now, not before though.
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PostSubject: Re: how to reduce the recoil of a rifle   December 6th 2017, 6:31 am

the weight did it. every little bit helps. another tip for a cheap recoil reducer. a piece of pipe about 6 inches long with a cap on each end. fill it about half full of very small lead shot gun b b/s. tape it to the bottom of your barrel. greatly reduces recoil. the first dr. i ever worked for loved to hunt geese with a 10 guage ,he had one of these taped to the bottom of the 10 gauge barrel of his shot gun. i had at that time a light weight ithica and it helped tame that gun. it will do the same for a bad recoil muzle loader.
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PostSubject: Re: how to reduce the recoil of a rifle   December 6th 2017, 6:40 am

@strong eagle wrote:
 i had at that time a light weight ithica and it helped tame that gun. it will do the same for a bad recoil muzle loader.

Those Ithaca Featherlight pumps will knock the snot out of you. I have a Model 37 12ga. Featherlight and I only use it for dove hunting with 7/8 oz. loads.

I shot a turkey with it using magnum # 4 shot. It killed the turkey. My shoulder thought the turkey got off lucky.  Laughing



Is the "dead mule" a mercury-filled tube or something else?

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PostSubject: Re: how to reduce the recoil of a rifle   December 6th 2017, 7:23 am

i shouldnt tell of my stupidy but i know what your talking about, i broke a nose on mine with a magnum load, bled for 2 days. i have a bump in the middle of my nose from that gun. we live and learn.
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PostSubject: Re: how to reduce the recoil of a rifle   December 7th 2017, 11:18 am

I have a 15 oz Dead Mule recoil reducer in the butt stock of my 416 Ruger #1 It makes a big difference Need to put one in my 9.3x74R Ruger #1 those are the only 2 guns I own that really have a wicked kick. All of my Sharps are nothing compared to them.

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PostSubject: Re: how to reduce the recoil of a rifle   December 7th 2017, 5:48 pm

Recoil Reduction Systems have been around since the late 1950's, used about anything that goes bang in a rifle, shotgun and muzzleloaders.

One of the newer ones to show up is the "BreaKO System" great for the slim forarms of some rifles or shotguns.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1005280015/graco-breako-mercury-recoil-reducer-universal-rifle-9-16-x-5-8-oz


The BreaKO recoil reduction system is designed to reduce recoil acceleration, muzzle bounce, and minimize gun movement during firing. The quality of this unit is evident in the design and workmanship. Mercury is used in the unit because of its natural ability to absorb and dampen shock. Results are less fatigue, better concentration, higher scores, and comfort-able shooting. All steel construction, "mercury" filled, permanently sealed and ready for installation. A 7/8" hole or larger is required for stock mounting. 

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The R8 Recoil Reduction System was developed for thin rifle stocks without a large enough area in the stock to drill a hole to accept the standard recoil reduction units. This system can be installed in the butt stock, or under the barrel on a bolt action rifle. The size of the R8 allows a smaller 9/16" or 5/8" hole to be drilled in a thin rifle stock, or a pocket milled out to fit in the barrel channel. Mounting under the barrel is recommended only for bench rest shooting and hunting guns. The R8 Recoil Reduction System also works well as a stock mounted unit for shotguns with thin stocks. 

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PostSubject: Re: how to reduce the recoil of a rifle   December 15th 2017, 10:50 am

Just another option that hasn't been mentioned here... I added a Limbsaver recoil pad to my rifle this year and it took a 7mm Mag down considerably. Because I have a longer length of pull, I ended up using the slip-on pad that goes over the existing and really liked it, but if you don't want to lengthen your pull, they also have factory replacements. Just another idea for those looking to lessen their recoil.

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PostSubject: Re: how to reduce the recoil of a rifle   December 15th 2017, 11:42 am

thank you, nice buck.
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PostSubject: Re: how to reduce the recoil of a rifle   December 15th 2017, 1:34 pm

@strong eagle wrote:
thank you, nice buck.
Thanks! I shot it on a trip to Montana last year.

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PostSubject: Re: how to reduce the recoil of a rifle   December 15th 2017, 4:20 pm

that one would make anyones heart race as you were aiming. those western mulies can sure get big. was it the badlands near n.dak? their are some big mulies in the badlands. in some places their are 16 deer per square mile. those montana bad lands and n.dak bad lands have a lot of cover and feed for deer.
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PostSubject: Re: how to reduce the recoil of a rifle   December 15th 2017, 4:24 pm

I was actually on a ranch just outside of Belt, which isn't too far from Great Falls, so more Central/Western Montana. It was a fun hunt and I would definitely like to do another Montana hunt in the future.

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PostSubject: Re: how to reduce the recoil of a rifle   December 28th 2017, 8:08 am

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nobody wants a muzzle loader that recoil makes you not want to shoot it.

1) Use less powder
2) Use a lighter bullet
3) Use a longer barrel ML.
4) Wear more clothes for padding
5) Buy a Pachmayer or equivalent slip-on recoil pad.
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PostSubject: Re: how to reduce the recoil of a rifle   January 22nd 2018, 7:12 pm

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nobody wants a muzzle loader that recoil makes you not want to shoot it. 

Just pop caps, its cheaper and no recoil ...   lol!

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PostSubject: Re: how to reduce the recoil of a rifle   January 23rd 2018, 5:56 am

buck, have you found the same thing as me. this is it. the same bullet and load in a cartridge kicks a lot more than if it was in a muzzleloader. the side locks kick a lot less than the inlines also for me that is. i once made a really nice sidelock that took a 680 to 720 grain paper patched bullet in 50 cal. i used 70 grains of real black behind it. got 1200 ft per second out of the barrel all i had was a slip over nice leather pad for the butt end of it. the recoil was to the degree you never ever thought about it. sold it to a rocket science guy who worked at white sands to hunt elk with. he really liked the gun. my side lock 45 with a 1/18 twist that shot a 400 to 500 grain bullet with 100 grains of powder never had much of a kick also. much less that if it was in a cartridge. anyone tell me why? my 45 70 kicks much more that my sidelocks, with lighter loads in it. ??????
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PostSubject: Re: how to reduce the recoil of a rifle   January 23rd 2018, 8:01 am

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buck, have you found the same thing as me. this is it. the same bullet and load in a cartridge kicks a lot more than if it was in a muzzleloader. the side locks kick a lot less than the inlines also for me that is. i once made a really nice sidelock that took a 680 to 720 grain paper patched bullet in 50 cal. i used 70 grains of real black behind it. got 1200 ft per second out of the barrel all i had was a slip over nice leather pad for the butt end of it. the recoil was to the degree you never ever thought about it. sold it to a rocket science guy who worked at white sands to hunt elk with. he really liked the gun. my side lock 45 with a 1/18 twist that shot a 400 to 500 grain bullet with 100 grains of powder never had much of a kick also. much less that if it was in a cartridge. anyone tell me why? my 45 70 kicks much more that my sidelocks, with lighter loads in it. ??????
 
I have told friends and other folks that shot high power (complaining about the pounding they got) to try a traditional muzzleloader just one time. Those that did put away the high power stuff and made the change, plus they got to hunt at a better time of the year. That opened the door to get them to join the state muzzle loading associations, buy muzzle loading magazines and get them involved in clubs with like minds. 

I have one high power rifle in 6.5 Creedmoor and one modern 12 gauge shotgun for long guns. The rest are muzzleloaders that don't make you cry when shot at my age.  pale  Plus they are cheaper to shoot. 

You mentioned having had a .50 caliber, that's probably the most used caliber for competition at national shoots with .45 caliber coming in second. Been that way for at least 50 years. 

In the last two years GRRW Collectors Association has built me three long guns; a J&S Hawken, a H.E. Leman Trade Rifle and now finishing an H.E. Leman NW Trade Gun - all in .50 caliber. Back in the fur trade days through the westward movement there was a push for larger calibers but the 50's held their ground in being one of the most popular calibers.

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PostSubject: Re: how to reduce the recoil of a rifle   January 23rd 2018, 9:25 am

Muzzle-Loader mentioned LimbSaver recoil pads.  LimbSaver pads significantly reduce felt recoil.  IMHO... "nobody" does it better as far as butt pads.

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PostSubject: Re: how to reduce the recoil of a rifle   January 23rd 2018, 2:46 pm

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PostSubject: Re: how to reduce the recoil of a rifle   January 23rd 2018, 3:31 pm

that big 50 with a 720 grain bullet didnt drop as much as people would think. at 300 yards once i shot over a buck when i thought i didnt have enough elevation the way i was aiming. it was a shooter.
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PostSubject: Re: how to reduce the recoil of a rifle   January 23rd 2018, 4:05 pm

I had an H&R 450 marlin ultra hunter that kicked pretty hard with 350gr bullets going 2200+ fps in that light rifle so I added a 1in diameter steel bar the length of the butt stock that helped.
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PostSubject: Re: how to reduce the recoil of a rifle   March 17th 2018, 8:35 am

You folks need to check to see if your pictures posted, some of you are not checking and need to make a  corrections, thanks.

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PostSubject: Re: how to reduce the recoil of a rifle   March 17th 2018, 9:41 am

Shoot a flintlock. The pressure lost out the touch hole reduces recoil.

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PostSubject: Re: how to reduce the recoil of a rifle   March 17th 2018, 12:54 pm

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PostSubject: Re: how to reduce the recoil of a rifle   March 17th 2018, 1:51 pm

They grow back.

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PostSubject: Re: how to reduce the recoil of a rifle   March 17th 2018, 3:00 pm

I have a 54Cal. Side Lock, load it with 100gr. Pyrodex RS. My Brother in Law said looks like it kicks, I let him shoot it and he was surprised it didn't.

I have a White Shotgun, I load it for Turkey and it kills at both ends. It is really light.

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