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PostSubject: Dirty Winchester 45-70 ammo?   Dirty Winchester 45-70 ammo? EmptyDecember 25th 2017, 4:16 pm

Is it normal to find this with Winchester 45-70 ammo? After three shots in a clean bore.
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PostSubject: Re: Dirty Winchester 45-70 ammo?   Dirty Winchester 45-70 ammo? EmptyDecember 26th 2017, 4:44 pm

Looks like an awfully coarse powder that's not burning completely. If you handload for it, you can use a faster burning powder and eliminate a lot of that.

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PostSubject: Re: Dirty Winchester 45-70 ammo?   Dirty Winchester 45-70 ammo? EmptyDecember 26th 2017, 4:57 pm

Well, after looking at winchester ammos facebook page and seeing all the pictures and complaints, We will no longer be using winchester ammo! My dad and brother looked through a box of the current ammo and found dings and wrinkles in the cases. It seems winchester has been letting their QC slips by badly. Folks are posting pictures where the necks are peeled back half the length of the bullet.

Unburnt powder I believe it is. We'll maybe try some remington the next time around.
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PostSubject: Re: Dirty Winchester 45-70 ammo?   Dirty Winchester 45-70 ammo? EmptyDecember 27th 2017, 5:23 pm

Winchester is just copying Remington. I used to be the biggest Remington flag waver but now I believe they're the worst firearm company there is.

My DIL got a new Ruger LCP for Christmas. She also got a new box of Remington .380 shells. Out of a 50 round box 8 of them had cases too long for the slide to close. Talk about poor quality control, try NO quality control. About half of them were tarnished and a few cases were pitted. I would stay away from Remington products completely unless they are at least 15 years old.

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PostSubject: Re: Dirty Winchester 45-70 ammo?   Dirty Winchester 45-70 ammo? EmptyDecember 28th 2017, 8:05 am

Why not load your own Jon?

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PostSubject: Re: Dirty Winchester 45-70 ammo?   Dirty Winchester 45-70 ammo? EmptyDecember 28th 2017, 9:48 am

We will eventually. Just starting off the easy way as there are hundreds of loads listed for this rifle. Plus we need some brass and time for me to dip the rifle in camo.
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PostSubject: Re: Dirty Winchester 45-70 ammo?   Dirty Winchester 45-70 ammo? EmptyJanuary 1st 2018, 7:41 am

Have tested different rounds of 45/70 over the years for the short barreled guns for hunting, the 300 grain bullets worked best for accurate paperwork, hunting and killing power. For those using a tube magazine do not use pointed or sharply shaped bullets (that's a fast way to blow the tube magazine). Jon will provide his findings now that most of his hunting is done until Spring Turkey Season.

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PostSubject: Re: Dirty Winchester 45-70 ammo?   Dirty Winchester 45-70 ammo? EmptyJanuary 1st 2018, 8:43 am

My BIL just bought a 100 round box of Winchester .38 specials. He shot about half of them while he was visiting and had 9 primers fail to fire. He re-shot all 9 and 6 went off on the 2nd or 3rd try. 3 would not fire period.

These ammo companies must be getting poor components or are having them loaded in China or Bangladesh. All they are doing is ruining the good name that they had acquired over 100 years of quality products. It's a shame.

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PostSubject: Re: Dirty Winchester 45-70 ammo?   Dirty Winchester 45-70 ammo? EmptyJanuary 2nd 2018, 7:25 am

@patocazador wrote:
These ammo companies must be getting poor components or are having them loaded in China or Bangladesh. All they are doing is ruining the good name that they had acquired over 100 years of quality products. It's a shame.
It sure makes you wonder about quality control anymore, we would have the same complaints at Cabelas about Winchester and Remington ammo. Never heard anything about performance on Hornady ammo other than the cost being higher.

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PostSubject: Re: Dirty Winchester 45-70 ammo?   Dirty Winchester 45-70 ammo? EmptyJanuary 2nd 2018, 8:15 am

When Winchester decided to stop making the Model 94 they started going in the crapper. I used to love the company and now I ignore it.

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PostSubject: Re: Dirty Winchester 45-70 ammo?   Dirty Winchester 45-70 ammo? EmptyJanuary 3rd 2018, 6:35 am

AGREED - they have gone down hill big time from the good old days ....

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PostSubject: Re: Dirty Winchester 45-70 ammo?   Dirty Winchester 45-70 ammo? EmptyJanuary 9th 2018, 11:46 am

Looks like a Black Powder load to me
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PostSubject: Re: Dirty Winchester 45-70 ammo?   Dirty Winchester 45-70 ammo? EmptyJanuary 10th 2018, 11:58 am

That ammo is loaded at very low pressure with a slow burning powder to keep it safe in an old trapdoor rifle and still have good velocity . So yes it is normal and wont hurt anything. One other thing weak primmer strikes can cause some of that too because of poor ignition.
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PostSubject: Re: Dirty Winchester 45-70 ammo?   Dirty Winchester 45-70 ammo? EmptyJanuary 10th 2018, 12:05 pm

Well it should be a problem no more. Bullets & dies have arrived! 325 Hornady PTX? I believe they are called.
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PostSubject: Re: Dirty Winchester 45-70 ammo?   Dirty Winchester 45-70 ammo? EmptyJanuary 10th 2018, 12:53 pm

Those are FTX and will shoot well with just about any powder that's rated for the 45-70 and that weight bullet.
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PostSubject: Re: Dirty Winchester 45-70 ammo?   Dirty Winchester 45-70 ammo? EmptyJanuary 11th 2018, 1:06 pm

1647 FPS for the Winchester ammo. With our reloads, 2100 fps with 63gr H335 & that big ol 325 hornady ftx. SUPER clean burning as well!

And yes, with my neck the way it is, that 2100 fps load has left me completely numb. I should have stopped after one round.
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PostSubject: Re: Dirty Winchester 45-70 ammo?   Dirty Winchester 45-70 ammo? EmptyJanuary 11th 2018, 1:48 pm

You need something between those two loads.

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PostSubject: Re: Dirty Winchester 45-70 ammo?   Dirty Winchester 45-70 ammo? EmptyJanuary 23rd 2018, 3:49 pm

@FrontierGander wrote:
1647 FPS for the Winchester ammo. With our reloads, 2100 fps with 63gr H335 & that big ol 325 hornady ftx. SUPER clean burning as well!

And yes, with my neck the way it is, that 2100 fps load has left me completely numb. I should have stopped after one round.
Is that H335 is like a flake powder ?  Reason I say like a flake powder is because I've shot tons of of titegroup over the years and hodgdon called it ball powder when I first bought it but now says its flattened ball. Always seemed like a flake powder to me though.
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PostSubject: Re: Dirty Winchester 45-70 ammo?   Dirty Winchester 45-70 ammo? EmptyJanuary 24th 2018, 9:17 am

Checked it out and H335 is a flattened ball powder so that explains its clean burning. Only powder I never tried in a 45-70 so looks like I need to buy some.
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PostSubject: Re: Dirty Winchester 45-70 ammo?   Dirty Winchester 45-70 ammo? EmptyJanuary 24th 2018, 10:17 am

335 is some damn good accurate powder!
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PostSubject: Re: Dirty Winchester 45-70 ammo?   Dirty Winchester 45-70 ammo? EmptyJanuary 24th 2018, 4:54 pm

H335 is the go-to powder for 55 gr. bullets in .223 Remington.

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