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PostSubject: Rotary Capper   Rotary Capper Empty2018-01-25, 18:11

Stoney1 Made this for me back in September! A neat little capping gadget that rotates to reveal the next percussion cap.

His words,

Here's something that I made back in the 70's.

It's a "Rotary Capper"
I can't take credit for its authenticity, but I can take credit for re-introducing it to the Black Powder community. I actually found one of these in a "Mountain Man museum" here in Pennsylvania back in the 70's. Whether or not it was from the imagination of the owner I can’t say?

This was supposedly something that Mountain Men in the 17 and 1800's made and used? I didn't have an opportunity to "handle" it so I had to depend on my memory to recreate it when I got back home.

This is as close as I could get! I hope you find it interesting?

I'd be curious about your thoughts and any information you might have on this Supposed invention. I know it works, I used this one for years. Thank you.
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PostSubject: Re: Rotary Capper   Rotary Capper Empty2018-01-25, 19:19

That's neat.
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PostSubject: Re: Rotary Capper   Rotary Capper Empty2018-01-25, 19:34

He built that? Cool. How about a 'How to?' Or, a picture of all the parts? What did he make it out of?

And, the 'cool factor' of having an engraved personal gift from a man named Two Feathers? Priceless.

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PostSubject: Re: Rotary Capper   Rotary Capper Empty2018-01-26, 11:51

@falcon wrote:
That's neat.
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 Thank you. When I saw it in the 70's I knew I had to make one.
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PostSubject: Re: Rotary Capper   Rotary Capper Empty2018-01-26, 11:59

@Kentucky Colonel wrote:
He built that? Cool. How about a 'How to?' Or, a picture of all the parts? What did he make it out of?

And, the 'cool factor' of having an engraved personal gift from a man named Two Feathers? Priceless.
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Yup...I built it. It's not the easiest thing to make, but it's well within the abilities of any of you crafty folks here on the forum. I forgot all about it for a year, then I made one from memory, (not this one), this one I made for Frontier Gander. The first one I made and used for years is a lot rattier than this nice new one, but it still worked and I still have it. Thanks.
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PostSubject: Re: Rotary Capper   Rotary Capper Empty2018-01-26, 12:20

@Kentucky Colonel wrote:
He built that? Cool. How about a 'How to?' Or, a picture of all the parts? What did he make it out of?

And, the 'cool factor' of having an engraved personal gift from a man named Two Feathers? Priceless.
Kentucky Colonel
Sorry...I missed the other part. A "how to" Hopefully. "Pictures of the parts", Definitely, just as soon as I get back into my shop to do another one. What it's made of? My original is Copper and Leather. This one is Brass and Leather. I'll try to explain it to you. My stroke makes it a little hard to organize my thoughts, but I'll give it a shot. I quit teaching because of my " scrambled brain."
The hardest part is cutting the 2 circles out of Copper or Brass, after that; the rest is tedious, but not impossible.  I use a floor model scroll saw, a drill press, and a belt grinder. I break a lot of blades! I'll try and get some pictures of the parts with measurements and of the whole thing "In progress" will that be acceptable?  Thanks for the interest guys. I really appreciate the support I get here on the forum.
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PostSubject: Re: Rotary Capper   Rotary Capper Empty2018-01-27, 08:26

That is beautiful, I love it and knowing that you made it makes it even better.
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PostSubject: Re: Rotary Capper   Rotary Capper Empty2018-01-27, 12:24

@rebs wrote:
That is beautiful, I love it and knowing that you made it makes it even better.
rebs
 Thank you very much. I appreciate your support.
I plan on doing a little "pictorial tutorial" Wink as soon as I can. I hope people like that idea. I know I'm a firm believer that " a picture is worth a thousand words."
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PostSubject: Re: Rotary Capper   Rotary Capper Empty2018-01-27, 13:24

It sure looks nifty. Maybe you can set up so you can cut out a bunch of the disks at one time and  proceed to each step with multiple repetitive procedures producing several at a time. Then you could sell them. -- Maybe have some friends or relatives do the tricky steps. 

I see a market for these.

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PostSubject: Re: Rotary Capper   Rotary Capper Empty2018-01-27, 13:35

I would definitely buy one
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PostSubject: Re: Rotary Capper   Rotary Capper Empty2018-01-27, 13:47

@rebs wrote:
I would definitely buy one
rebs
 Thank you for the vote of confidence, but they cost too much to make. Waaaaay to labor intensive. I have all the supplies here. The materials are not bad. Being a leather worker, I have tons of scrap 8-9 oz. leather, and I use .035" Brass sheet stock, which you can get at an Ace Tru Value Hardware store for about $12.00 a sheet. The other things are a Copper Rivet, solder and iron . You could use a small torch, but the flame is too hard to control and you end up ruining the leather. The labor cost is HORRIBLE! It takes me about 3 hours to make one. I'd have to charge $25.00 a piece!? Thanks again.
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PostSubject: Re: Rotary Capper   Rotary Capper Empty2018-01-27, 13:53

$25/each? If they function properly, I think they'd be well worth that much.

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PostSubject: Re: Rotary Capper   Rotary Capper Empty2018-01-27, 13:55

similar cappers on TOTW are a little more than that
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PostSubject: Re: Rotary Capper   Rotary Capper Empty2018-01-27, 13:56

This could be the start of a small business for you
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PostSubject: Re: Rotary Capper   Rotary Capper Empty2018-01-27, 14:16

@rebs wrote:
This could be the start of a small business for you
rebs
 Thanks, but I have a small business. I'm the maker of the patch knives and other accessories listed in the Mountain Man Emporium on this website. If I couldn't make any money on the cappers, it wouldn't be of much use to me to try selling them? I doubt that anyone would pay $25.00 for one? You can get a straight line caper online for $5-10 bucks. Thanks again for your support, advice, and compliments.
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PostSubject: Re: Rotary Capper   Rotary Capper Empty2018-01-28, 07:46

@patocazador wrote:
$25/each? If they function properly, I think they'd be well worth that much.
patocazador
Sorry, I didn't see this reply. Maybe there IS a market for these?
Thanks for the confidence.
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PostSubject: Re: Rotary Capper   Rotary Capper Empty2018-01-28, 08:00

@rebs wrote:
similar cappers on TOTW are a little more than that
rebs
 I'm terribly sorry, but like I told patocazador, I didn't see your reply. For some reason I only get email updates about certain replies to my posts???
 I wasn't aware that ANYONE else in the world sold something even similar to these? I (really) thought that this design came from the mind of a grizzled, eccentric old guy who fancied himself a Mountain Man and Historian here in N.E. Pa. back in the 70's. Guess I was wrong? Thanks for the information.
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PostSubject: Re: Rotary Capper   Rotary Capper Empty2018-03-02, 12:19

@rebs wrote:
That is beautiful, I love it and knowing that you made it makes it even better.
rebs
 I promised you that I'd do a little tutorial with photos on this rotary capper. I'm a man of my word, so I'm starting one this morning. I'll take as many photos as I can (with the best explanations that I can give) and I'm hoping that with Frontier Gander's help we can get them posted? Once you see how it's made you may want to try it yourself, however if you don't, I'll be happy to sell you one.
Right now I have a guitar repair, 6 knives and a Flintlock build for my doctor, headslap on the go, but I'll try to move this tutorial along as fast as I can. At any point if I'm not clear, please feel free to email me. I think any of the guys (or girls) on this forum should be able to make one of these. This can all be done with simple hand tools, I just happen to be fortunate enough to have the power tools to do it, so this saves me a little time. I'm 68 and retired. Time is something I have a LOT of.headslap2.  Keep an eye out for the post. I'll get it ASAP. Thank you for your interest.
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PostSubject: Re: Rotary Capper   Rotary Capper Empty2018-03-02, 12:23

@Kentucky Colonel wrote:
He built that? Cool. How about a 'How to?' Or, a picture of all the parts? What did he make it out of?

And, the 'cool factor' of having an engraved personal gift from a man named Two Feathers? Priceless.
Kentucky Colonel
I promised you that I'd do a little tutorial with photos on this rotary capper. I'm a man of my word, so I'm starting one this morning. I'll take as many photos as I can (with the best explanations that I can give) and I'm hoping that with Frontier Gander's help we can get them posted? Once you see how it's made you may want to try it yourself, however if you don't, I'll be happy to sell you one.
Right now I have a guitar repair, 6 knives and a Flintlock build for my doctor, headslap on the go, but I'll try to move this tutorial along as fast as I can. At any point if I'm not clear, please feel free to email me. I think any of the guys (or girls) on this forum should be able to make one of these. This can all be done with simple hand tools, I just happen to be fortunate enough to have the power tools to do it, so this saves me a little time. I'm 68 and retired. Time is something I have a LOT of.headslap2.  Keep an eye out for the post. I'll get it ASAP. Thank you for your interest.
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PostSubject: Re: Rotary Capper   Rotary Capper Empty2018-03-03, 05:59

Sweet! I am looking forward to seeing this. cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Rotary Capper   Rotary Capper Empty2018-03-03, 09:47

@Kentucky Colonel wrote:
Sweet! I am looking forward to seeing this. cheers
KC
 Hold on there partner... This may take a little while? I laid out the circles on brass shet stock yesterday morning, but that's as far as I got.  I have every intention of doing this, but it takes a back seat for the time being. I'm thrilled that you have an interest in it. I'm not certain how "time feasible" these rotary cappers are? I just made a couple 'cause I thought it was a neat idea. When you factor in the time required, they're not too cost effective? NOW...if you want to look REALLY cool at the next rendezvous then by all means knock yourself out! I'll show you how it's done, then it's up to you to decide if you want to take the time to make one? Not many people have ever had much interest in the things I make, so this is new territory for me. That's why I loved being a vocational technology teacher, my students wanted to know how to make the things I showed them. Thank you.
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PostSubject: Re: Rotary Capper   Rotary Capper Empty2018-03-27, 14:35

@FrontierGander wrote:
Stoney1 - His words,

Here's something that I made back in the 70's.

STONEY, A GENTLEMAN BY THE NAME OF RUSS HAMN MADE THESE FROM THE LATE 60'S TO EARLY 70'S THEN GAVE THE DESIGN TO TED CASH [TC] (NOT THE RIFLE COMPANY). ADVERTISED IN MUZZLE BLASTS AND BUCKSKIN REPORT.

It's a "Rotary Capper" I can't take credit for its authenticity, but I can take credit for re-introducing it to the Black Powder community. I actually found one of these in a "Mountain Man museum" here in Pennsylvania back in the 70's.  

STONEY, YOU DIDN'T "RE-INTRODUCE". RUSS HAMN TOLD US BACK IN THE LATE 60'S HE HAD AN ORIGINAL HE HAD COPIED FOR HIS DESIGN THAT HE WAS SELLING.

This was supposedly something that Mountain Men in the 17 and 1800's made and used? I didn't have an opportunity to "handle" it so I had to depend on my memory to recreate it when I got back home.

THEY DATE MID 1800'S TO THE AMERICAN CIVIL WAR PRODUCED IN THE NEW ENGLAND STATES IN LARGE NUMBERS - UNION TROOPS.

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PostSubject: Re: Rotary Capper   Rotary Capper Empty2018-03-27, 16:35

@Buck Conner wrote:
@FrontierGander wrote:
Stoney1 - His words,

Here's something that I made back in the 70's.

STONEY, A GENTLEMAN BY THE NAME OF RUSS HAMN MADE THESE FROM THE LATE 60'S TO EARLY 70'S THEN GAVE THE DESIGN TO TED CASH [TC] (NOT THE RIFLE COMPANY). ADVERTISED IN MUZZLE BLASTS AND BUCKSKIN REPORT.

It's a "Rotary Capper" I can't take credit for its authenticity, but I can take credit for re-introducing it to the Black Powder community. I actually found one of these in a "Mountain Man museum" here in Pennsylvania back in the 70's.  

STONEY, YOU DIDN'T "RE-INTRODUCE". RUSS HAMN TOLD US BACK IN THE LATE 60'S HE HAD AN ORIGINAL HE HAD COPIED FOR HIS DESIGN THAT HE WAS SELLING.

This was supposedly something that Mountain Men in the 17 and 1800's made and used? I didn't have an opportunity to "handle" it so I had to depend on my memory to recreate it when I got back home.

THEY DATE MID 1800'S TO THE AMERICAN CIVIL WAR PRODUCED IN THE NEW ENGLAND STATES IN LARGE NUMBERS - UNION TROOPS.

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I  didn't take credit for  inventing it. I said I re-introduced it to today's BP community. WHICH I DID!! Don't confuse re-introduction with re-inventing? Until now, NO ONE I know of (including the members) ever heard of, or had seen one. Apparently it's not THAT well known or I wouldn't have been asked to do a tutorial on how I made it! I was asked by some of the members to show them how I made mine, so they can make one. I always say "NO good deed goes unpunished," Thank you for confirming that. I guess that'll be the end of the tutorial? Apparently anyone who wants to make one can just ask Russ Hamm, I'm sure he'll be happy to pass along written instructions....for a fee. Thank you for pointing out to me that helping isn't necessarily a good thing.
 I'd like to know if any of the members REALLY do want to know how they're made, before I waste more time? Thanks again for the info. If anyone IS interested please let me know here.
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Here are a few of hundreds that have been around before we ever hit the ground (born).

https://www.google.com/search?q=brass+capper+for+percussion+caps&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiDupPHyo3aAhUBVGMKHTV9AJcQsAQISw&biw=1052&bih=610

The most used from studying shooting/hunting pouches and their accessories was this one. Originals like these that survived are so simple and they work.

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PostSubject: Re: Rotary Capper   Rotary Capper Empty2018-03-27, 17:05

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I  didn't take credit for  inventing it. I said I re-introduced it to today's BP community. WHICH I DID!! Don't confuse re-introduction with re-inventing?

I always say "NO good deed goes unpunished," Thank you for confirming that. I guess that'll be the end of the tutorial? Apparently anyone who wants to make one can just ask Ted Cash, I'm sure he'll be happy to pass along written instructions....for a fee. 

How can you "re-introduce" or "take credit" for something that's been around since the invention of the percussion cap in the early 1800's. Log Cabin Shop, Track of the Wolf and about every muzzleloading shop around has sold like cappers since opening, Dixie Gun Works has sold them since 1954 when they opened their doors and still does today. Ted Cash supplies many items to the industry and one of those items are a number of different style cappers. Sorry old friend you lost me in what you claim.

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@stoney1 wrote:

I  didn't take credit for  inventing it. I said I re-introduced it to today's BP community. WHICH I DID!! Don't confuse re-introduction with re-inventing?

I always say "NO good deed goes unpunished," Thank you for confirming that. I guess that'll be the end of the tutorial? Apparently anyone who wants to make one can just ask Ted Cash, I'm sure he'll be happy to pass along written instructions....for a fee. 

How can you "re-introduce" or "take credit" for something that's been around since the invention of the percussion cap in the early 1800's. Log Cabin Shop, Track of the Wolf and about every muzzleloading shop around has sold like cappers since opening, Dixie Gun Works has sold them since 1954 when they opened their doors and still does today. Ted Cash supplies many items to the industry and one of those items are a number of different style cappers. Sorry old friend you lost me in what you claim.
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 You're right, I'm wrong, you win, I lose. Apparently I misunderstood the purpose of this website. I simply made the statement that without my reintroduction of the capper that I made (not invented) a lot of the guys would never have seen one. It was gift to Frontier Gander, not something meant to spark a range war over who said what? You're the authority on all things Black Powder. I apologize. I guess this is what you wanted to hear? Oh....  I DID NOT take credit for inventing it, look closer at my original post, I said that I cannot take credit for inventing it, but I can take credit for reintroducing it the the BP community, meaning that I simply showed people this thing. They can interpret that information as they see fit. Also, mine does not operate like the one you showed in your reply. Mine rotates, the one you showed looks to stay stationary?
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PostSubject: Re: Rotary Capper   Rotary Capper Empty2018-03-27, 20:55

this is crazy! I just read about this style of capper in the book, buckskins & black powder lol.

Dave I wouldnt worry to much about it buddy! Just some misunderstanding IMO.
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Dave my sediments too, don't worry about it.  Keep up the fine work.  I enjoy your contribution to the forum as I'm sure hundreds of others forum members do.  Sometimes folks interpret things a little too seriously and forget we're here to "enjoy" the camaraderie.

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Old people get grouchy. Take your Geritol, Buck, and feel better.

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Bob, I don't take any medications "what you have, you deal with".  

You guys don't understand the relationship between my old bud Dave and myself, he'll give me trouble and I return the thought. That keeps both of us thinking. 

We have kicked around more ideas than you guys would believe on styles of knives, sheaths and pricing that only the two of us know about. All in trying to make historically correct pieces of art for you guys. By the way his work has improved and would be considered "pieces of art" in today's world.

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Dave my sediments too, don't worry about it.  Keep up the fine work.  I enjoy your contribution to the forum as I'm sure hundreds of others forum members do.  Sometimes folks interpret things a little too seriously and forget we're here to "enjoy" the camaraderie.
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 Thank you for the vote of confidence. I'm thrilled to know that you guys have my back. Buck and I DO work on blade patterns, sheath styles, and pricing. Buck has become a good friend, but I do have to say this conversation HAS raised a few hackles, at least on my end? Maybe it wasn't meant to, but the problem with internet correspondences is, You can't HEAR vocal inflections (or feel sentiment.) My work HAS improved, but it's still MY work. My hope from the start, was to make a few bucks and have a good time while doing it, but most important to me, is trying to help newbies realize that, YES..They can do this stuff too! Period Correctness and American Made are very important to me as well.
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@FrontierGander wrote:
this is crazy! I just read about this style of capper in the book, buckskins & black powder lol.

Dave I wouldnt worry to much about it buddy! Just some misunderstanding IMO.
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 Thanks.. My wife accuses me of being too "sensitive", sometimes maybe I am? It looks like it's under control? Thanks again for letting me put my things in the Mountain Man Emporium. I hope the members find my new designs worthy of a look and maybe a purchase?
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Old people get grouchy. Take your Geritol, Buck, and feel better.
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 Thanks buddy, I appreciate the support, but we're all friends here...right? Although some of the posts make it hard to believe at times? Shocked
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Bob, I don't take any medications "what you have, you deal with".  

You guys don't understand the relationship between my old bud Dave and myself, he'll give me trouble and I return the thought. That keeps both of us thinking. 

We have kicked around more ideas than you guys would believe on styles of knives, sheaths and pricing that only the two of us know about. All in trying to make historically correct pieces of art for you guys. By the way his work has improved and would be considered "pieces of art" in today's world.
Buck
 What can I say??????? I lost it for a while, sorry. Penny ante playground crap shouldn't be displayed here. This forum is for learning not antagonizing. I apologize to it's members and Frontier Gander for my poor behavior. Please forgive me guys.
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Old age and you need to change your brand of booze ......  Shocked   tongue   lol!

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Old age and you need to change your brand of booze ......  Shocked   tongue   lol!
Buck
 ??????  Not sure what this post means? I AM old, BUT I don't drink. I have a few new designs, and thanks for the "pieces of art compliment."
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PostSubject: Re: Rotary Capper   Rotary Capper Empty2018-03-29, 07:41

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@Buck Conner wrote:
Old age and you need to change your brand of booze ......  Shocked   tongue   lol!

Stoney do you have any new knives? Was thinking about something a little different to help sales. If interested I can provide measurements, would stay with your handle shape and brass or steel pins. If not I'll put them back in the safe for another day.

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The top knife has an interesting shape as does the second one. The bottom is like ones you have made (talking blades not handles).

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PostSubject: Re: Rotary Capper   Rotary Capper Empty2018-03-29, 07:53

Buck, I can make you whatever you want within reason. The bottom one I'm in the process of making right now. It's a smaller Roach Belly with a 4 inch blade (No bolster), Black Walnut handle slabs, and Iron pins. I'll email you a picture of the blank. If it's acceptable, we'll talk! Yup, give me measurements.
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@Buck Conner wrote:
Old age and you need to change your brand of booze ......  Shocked   tongue   lol!

Stoney do you have any new knives? Was thinking about something a little different to help sales. If interested I can provide measurements, would stay with your handle shape and brass or steel pins. If not I'll put them back in the safe for another day.

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Howdy folks: Two Feathers here.
I apologize for the disruption in this rotary capper tutorial, but between my absentmindedness and a few other things, I lost track of what I was doing. I wasn’t sure if anyone really wanted to know how to make one of these, but after some contact with a few forum members, I was told that they do want to see how it’s done. So here we go! This is my take on it, so if you have a better idea please let me know.
I hope you can see the 2 different circles I’ve scribed into my 9 oz. scrap leather? The outer circle measures 1-1/2” in diameter, 1.5” for you machinist types. The inner circle measures 1.200”. I think to make it easier for folks without micrometers or digital calipers, you could get away with 1-3/16”? Anyway… there’s a small tab or ear on the outer circle. That has to be there, so don’t cut it off when you do the next step. After I get a little farther ahead, I’ll have more of this tutorial for you. If you have any questions or comments, just email me, davesmusic13@gmail.com
Again, my apologies for the delay.
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Howdy folks: Two Feathers here again with more tutorial.
For this piece, you’ll need steel wing dividers (or a good drafting compass), a steel rule (or tape measure), and at least one 5/32” hole punch for leather. A rotary hole punch will work as long as it can punch 5/32” holes? My CCI caps are a bit larger than that, about .165” so try one of yours and if the hole is a little too tight, ream it with a nail set punch or a tapered piece of steel rod or wood until the cap fits snugly. You don’t want the caps falling out, but you don’t want the holes so tight that you can’t get the caps in either.
First, cut around the outer circle, being careful NOT to cut off that tab. After that, this is where it might get a little confusing, but it’s not that bad. As you can see, I’ve laid out dots on the inner circle. Those are where you’ll punch holes and cut slots for the caps. I have figured the layout for 9 holes, but we’ll only use 8 of them. If you want a different number of holes (caps), let me know and I’ll give you the number you need, BUT I’ll warn you, 8 is about as many as you’ll get without problems, I’ve made enough of these to know. First, set your dividers to an opening of .410” This is where a machinist friend comes in handy. If you have a good ruler, you can set it to 7/16”, but err on the short side. You’ll only be off by .027” and you’ll never notice that. Make your first mark on the inner circle, about ¼” to the Right of that tab or ear that you left ON the outer circle. After that, keep using your dividers to continue marking all around the circle until you have 9 points on it. The other marks you see are mistakes that I made while adjusting my dividers for 9 equal points. Your last mark should fall about 1/16” from the Left edge of that tab. Don’t worry, you’re not going to use it anyway. So if it isn’t exactly there, it’s not a tragedy. The important thing is that you have 9 marks and none of them fall where the tab is. You’ll see why shortly. Next you’ll punch a 5/32” hole on each mark, but only on 8 of them starting with the first one you made. Try to center the mark in the middle of the hole. This is where a drive punch comes in handy. You could buy just one off of eBay.
We’ll do the punching and cutting in the next part.
Note: This IS NOT as difficult as you might think. Look at the pictures and it will make sense. If you should have any questions email me davesmusic13@gmail.com I’ll try to answer them the best that I can. After making one of these you’ll see how easy it really is.
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I am reading. Keep it coming.

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Howdy folks:
 Two Feathers here with the next part of the rotary capper tutorial.
Here you can see that I’ve punched my holes around the leather disc. I’ve cut most of them just to show you how it looks. I left a few uncut holes (I guess I should have taken photos BEFORE I started cutting, but you get the idea) I’m trying to conserve web space (yeah… good excuse)! My punch is a .156”, but if I tap it a little harder than normal, it’ll make a hole about .160”, that’s ideal. You’ll also notice that NO hole falls under that tab. Since I cut a few, you can see why it’s important to start your lay out about a ¼” to the Right of that tab, NOT right under the tab. You’ll also notice why I said to only use 8 of the holes. If I used all 9 the last hole would be partially under the tab (see the little mark right below and to the left of that tab) and you would end up cutting off the tab when you made the slot.
 Oh… my middle hole is only 1/8” diameter, but you use whatever size fits your rivet and brass disc. I use 1/8” because I have a ton of 1/8” copper split rivets left over from attaching tags to our AKC registered hunting beagles. My father in law used to raise, train, and sell them. When he passed away I inherited all his tags and rivets, so now I have a bunch of them.
 Hopefully if you look at the one I sent Frontier Gander, you’ll see where this is headed? I’m not going to leave y’all hangin’ I’ll keep going until this project is complete. Thank you guys (and gals) again for your support on this project. It started out a little “rocky” if you’ll recall. I’m not getting back into that. Just thank you. There’ll be more… hopefully soon. In the next part, we’ll see how it all goes together and gets soldered. Hopefully, I haven’t forgotten anything up to this point? If you have questions just email me at davesmusic13@gmail.com
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PostSubject: Re: Rotary Capper   Rotary Capper Empty2018-07-30, 18:15

Very nice tutorial. Thanks for posting it.  :rtup

Before the tutorial I thought there was a reservoir for the caps. I didn't realize that it just held 8 caps.

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@patocazador wrote:
Very nice tutorial. Thanks for posting it.  :rtup

Before the tutorial I thought there was a reservoir for the caps. I didn't realize that it just held 8 caps.
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You're very welcome. I'm sorry buddy but nope, just slots. I can give you any number of caps you want. You'll just need to let me know the exact size of your inner circle and how many holes (caps) you want to use. Of course the outer diameter will be a contributing factor? I make mine 1-1/2" O.D., anything larger gets cumbersome. You can make it ANY size you'd like. Have I deflated your interest in making one now? If I did, I'm sorry, but I'll never misrepresent myself or my products. Thanks again.
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See your PM.

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I know that I have never known how they could be built by hand. This thread has been an indispensable education for me.

I did a thorough search for information on building a rotary capper and could find nothing. Sure, I may have missed something, but it looks like Stoney1 is offering the only tutorial on the net.

Thank you for the information and tutorial!
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I am new to this forum, and muzzle loading,  and this post is great,( other than the argument). I will build one of these soon. I will try cutting the brass circles with a hole saw. I know how difficult it is to put together a "how to" post and this one is excellent. Thank You
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