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PostSubject: My new Flintlock Pedersoli Alamo .50 caliber    February 7th 2018, 7:05 am

G'day mates,

Well the saga is over, after three months of being buggered around by the clowns at firearms licensing I finally took possession of my flintlock Pedersoli Alamo .50 caliber.

I was so excited I went straight to the range, gave the girl a good scrub and went for a shoot.

I was pretty confident in my abilities after shooting for most of my life and using a caplock for the last two years but the flintlock has so much going on!

I got lots of failures to fires and flashes in the pan and had to fiddle with the flint repeatedly to get it to work and i discovered the importance of a clean frizzen.†

Anyway I only had time for five shots using 50 grains of 2F pushing a .490 ball wrapped in a .010 greased patch out to 25 meters.

But i'm pretty happy so far.


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PostSubject: Re: My new Flintlock Pedersoli Alamo .50 caliber    February 7th 2018, 7:19 am

A .440 ball and .010 patch is a very loose fit in a 50 caliber gun.† I suggest a .490 with .o15 patch to start off with.† Also, you might try some 3f if you have it.† I have had better results with 3f in 50 cal guns using loads of less than 65 grains.
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PostSubject: Re: My new Flintlock Pedersoli Alamo .50 caliber    February 7th 2018, 7:32 am





Sorry about the delay in posting pics, my power went out! :/
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PostSubject: Re: My new Flintlock Pedersoli Alamo .50 caliber    February 7th 2018, 7:33 am

@Grimord wrote:
A .440 ball and .010 patch is a very loose fit in a 50 caliber gun.† I suggest a .490 with .o15 patch to start off with.† Also, you might try some 3f if you have it.† I have had better results with 3f in 50 cal guns using loads of less than 65 grains.

You'd think so wouldn't you?†

But that bugger was as tight as a misers charity......

****EDIT I just realised I wrote .440 not .490, Sorry but I've been using a .45 rifle for years and had a blonde moment!***
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PostSubject: Re: My new Flintlock Pedersoli Alamo .50 caliber    February 7th 2018, 8:47 am

Flintlocks are finicky. I had to "play" with my .45 for quite awhile to come up with a regimen that assured that it would fire each time.

I have to swab with a damp patch after each shot. I also have to leave the touch hole pick in place when adding powder and a patched ball. If I don't, the powder packs too tightly and misfires occur.

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PostSubject: Re: My new Flintlock Pedersoli Alamo .50 caliber    February 7th 2018, 9:05 am

Thats good shooting for a new rifle and learning off it!
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PostSubject: Re: My new Flintlock Pedersoli Alamo .50 caliber    February 7th 2018, 10:21 am

go to 70 grains. wipe between round. use a .495 round ball. buy some medium weight tight weave pure linen off of the internet. tap ball into the bore with a starter and small rubber hammer. cut off the patch at the muzzle. just set the ball on the powder, never ever tamp it onto the powder. then you will shoot the tightest groups possible with that very very fine gun of yours. lube is your choise, makes no difference.
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PostSubject: Re: My new Flintlock Pedersoli Alamo .50 caliber    February 7th 2018, 2:45 pm

I love breaking in a new gun. I am glad you finally got through the red tape.cheers

Just out of curiosity? Was there any embarrassment from the official you took possession from for all the†
fuss over a 17th century style weapon?

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PostSubject: Re: My new Flintlock Pedersoli Alamo .50 caliber    February 7th 2018, 4:24 pm

I predict that you're going to have loads of fun with that rifle. Looks good.

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PostSubject: Re: My new Flintlock Pedersoli Alamo .50 caliber    February 7th 2018, 4:58 pm

@Kentucky Colonel wrote:
I love breaking in a new gun. I am glad you finally got through the red tape.cheers

Just out of curiosity? Was there any embarrassment from the official you took possession from for all the†
fuss over a 17th century style weapon?

It was one hell of a mission.... 😡

Honestly they are without any sense of embarrassment or shame. I was on the phone to them every couple of weeks enquiring about the process of my application and was basically told each time to pull my head in and accept it. I also discovered that there is no complaints procedure at all! Can you imagine any other service dept anywhere taking that long to perform a service and having zero repercussions??? 🤯

But to answer the question, my rifle was held at the dealer so I didnít even get the chance to remonstrate with an official.... 😡
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PostSubject: Re: My new Flintlock Pedersoli Alamo .50 caliber    February 7th 2018, 5:00 pm

@patocazador wrote:
Flintlocks are finicky. I had to "play" with my .45 for quite awhile to come up with a regimen that assured that it would fire each time.

I have to swab with a damp patch after each shot. I also have to leave the touch hole pick in place when adding powder and a patched ball. If I don't, the powder packs too tightly and misfires occur.

I was swabbing between shots as well as is my habit. 😊

Leaving the touch hole pick in place is an interesting idea though, Iíll have to try it.
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PostSubject: Re: My new Flintlock Pedersoli Alamo .50 caliber    February 7th 2018, 5:02 pm

@FrontierGander wrote:
Thats good shooting for a new rifle and learning off it!
Mate, if you could have seen me flinching away from the rifle every time I pulled the trigger youíd have wept with laughter! 😭

It took conscious effort to stay on target, itís frankly a minor miracle Iím on paper at all!
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PostSubject: Re: My new Flintlock Pedersoli Alamo .50 caliber    February 7th 2018, 5:03 pm

@strong eagle wrote:
go to 70 grains. wipe between round. use a .495 round ball. buy some medium weight tight weave pure linen off of the internet. tap ball into the bore with a starter and small rubber hammer. cut off the patch at the muzzle. just set the ball on the powder, never ever tamp it onto the powder. then you will shoot the tightest groups possible with that very very fine gun of yours. lube is your choise, makes no difference.

Iíll give it a go mate! 👍😉
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PostSubject: Re: My new Flintlock Pedersoli Alamo .50 caliber    February 7th 2018, 5:04 pm

@RhinoDave wrote:
I predict that you're going to haves loads of fun with that rifle. Looks good.
I suspect that youíre entirely correct my old china! 😁
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PostSubject: Re: My new Flintlock Pedersoli Alamo .50 caliber    February 7th 2018, 5:24 pm

its that way here also, the wheels of the government move very slow. it took 12 years for the FBI to do investegation (sp) of a drug ring just 25 miles from me on the rez. finally got all of them in one giant swoop. around 12 †to 15 people went to prison for life. some were already pretty old. again it took 12 years to get them. at least you didnt have to bribe anyone as some countries have a system of. your going to have fun with that gun. keep it clean and it will last a long time. heard there is a very large U.S. marine corp base being built over their. is that true? that would be good duty.
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PostSubject: Re: My new Flintlock Pedersoli Alamo .50 caliber    February 7th 2018, 5:35 pm

@strong eagle wrote:
its that way here also, the wheels of the government move very slow. it took 12 years for the FBI to do investegation (sp) of a drug ring just 25 miles from me on the rez. finally got all of them in one giant swoop. around 12 †to 15 people went to prison for life. some were already pretty old. again it took 12 years to get them. at least you didnt have to bribe anyone as some countries have a system of. your going to have fun with that gun. keep it clean and it will last a long time. heard there is a very large U.S. marine corp base being built over their. is that true? that would be good duty.

Yeah apparently the marines have now got a small base in Darwin, they were on the news after they were invited and took part in the ANZAC celibrations.

The marine commander looked a little taken aback at the positivity he and his diggers got from the locals! Smile

True the wheels turn slowly but dammit i'm not a crook, i'm more law abiding the most of the idiots out there....

*sigh* Sorry gents but the system shits me to tears, it really does.
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PostSubject: Re: My new Flintlock Pedersoli Alamo .50 caliber    February 7th 2018, 7:17 pm

The Alamo is a nice looking rifle. What powder were you using in the pan?

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PostSubject: Re: My new Flintlock Pedersoli Alamo .50 caliber    February 7th 2018, 8:48 pm

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The Alamo is a nice looking rifle. What powder were you using in the pan?
I was using the 2F to prime but Iíve got a bit of 4F Iím going to try today.
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PostSubject: Re: My new Flintlock Pedersoli Alamo .50 caliber    February 8th 2018, 5:08 am


Two groups of three at 25 yards using .010 patching and 50 grains of 2F and primed with 4F with first shot going low and right so i discounted it.



A second group using .015 patching and 50 grains of 2F and primed with 4F at 25 yards, the loose shot to the right was because I twitched...



A 50 yard group using .015 patching and 50 grains of 2F and primed with 4F. I'm not sure if the loose group was me or something else!





A couple of patches I recovered, they look pretty good to me! Smile


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PostSubject: Re: My new Flintlock Pedersoli Alamo .50 caliber    February 8th 2018, 5:31 am

your patches are perfect.
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PostSubject: Re: My new Flintlock Pedersoli Alamo .50 caliber    February 8th 2018, 5:33 am

@strong eagle wrote:
your patches are perfect.
Yeah i thought they looked pretty good! Smile
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PostSubject: Re: My new Flintlock Pedersoli Alamo .50 caliber    February 8th 2018, 7:07 am

Another thing you can do Mike is open up your touch hole. If you havent done that already. I use 3f in mine and have opened up the touch hole. You will get various recommendations on that but I like to see around a 1/16 on an inch. Al

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PostSubject: Re: My new Flintlock Pedersoli Alamo .50 caliber    February 8th 2018, 7:08 am

@BigAl52 wrote:
Another thing you can do Mike is open up your touch hole. If you havent done that already. I use 3f in mine and have opened up the touch hole. You will get various recommendations on that but I like to see around a 1/16 on an inch. Al

I was just having that exact conversation with a mate of mine tonight, i'm thinking i'll be doing that! Wink
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PostSubject: Re: My new Flintlock Pedersoli Alamo .50 caliber    February 12th 2018, 2:26 am

An update for all you lovely people out there! Very Happy

I got bored and took that as a good excuse to head to the range again this afternoon.

I wanted to see if there was a noticeable difference between .010 and .015 patch material.

I was shooting from the bench at 25 meters, using 60 grains of 2F powder as the main charge and about 1/3 of a pan of 4F for the ignition. I wiped between shots and weighed all my .490 projectiles to within a grain of each other.††

My point of aim was the bulls-eye.

In my first batch, during which i tested the .010 patches, i fired nine shots of which one was an obvious flinch (its under the brick to the right of the shot) so i disregarded it.

As you can see from the top photo, i'm to the right of the point of aim with about a 7 cm group. Now the fact that three of those shots are touching makes me think that this crappy group is shooter error.

The second group in the bottom picture was using the .015 patch material and again resulted in a 7 cm group. and again was to the right of the point of aim.

Any thoughts gents?


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PostSubject: Re: My new Flintlock Pedersoli Alamo .50 caliber    February 12th 2018, 8:18 am

Mike I am thinking it will take† good few shots to break in the bore, bit like what I am doing with my FBG. Did you open up your touch hole? if not I should have some bits for that, by the way am home tomorrow morning, so we could catch up later this week.† The other thing worth a try, hold the forend instead of gripping the stock how you do. I found just resting the barrel on the rest without holding it there never worked for me. You may need a super heavy barrel for that technique. Your rifle is grouping constantly with either patch by the looks.†
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