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PostSubject: Kentucky Long Rifle for cow elk hunting   Kentucky Long Rifle for cow elk hunting EmptyMarch 31st 2018, 11:38 pm

Hi guys,
I'm looking for some feedback on what use for a cow elk hunt. I'll be in northern Arizona in December 2018. Right now I have a Traditions Kentucky Long Rifle (I built the kit), .50 cal, percussion cap, 33.5" barrel with 1:66 twist. I've discovered that this rifle will shoot 320gr MaxiBalls fairly accurately - 3" group at 100 yds from a bench rest. I have read many reports and forum postings that this slow twist will not stabilize conical bullets, but I'm getting round holes at 100 yds, with acceptable accuracy. In preparation for the hunt, I'm going to shoot some Hornady Great Plains 385gr bullets tomorrow (Happy Easter!) through my new chrono to get an idea of velocity. Then I'll shoot for 100 yds to see how that goes.

I've been searching far and wide for a calculator, formula, chart to measure ft lbs of energy at the point of impact, given bullet weight and velocity. Any ideas?

Thanks.
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PostSubject: Re: Kentucky Long Rifle for cow elk hunting   Kentucky Long Rifle for cow elk hunting EmptyApril 1st 2018, 1:27 am

With a 320gr maxiball or a 385gr hornady great plains, you dont have to worry about velocity/energy. Its going to hit like a freight train with as little as 70gr 2fg.
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PostSubject: Thanks for the info   Kentucky Long Rifle for cow elk hunting EmptyApril 1st 2018, 1:58 pm

Gents,

I just returned from a day in the desert with the muzzleloader. I recorded just under 1500 fps with 100gr (by volume) of Alliant MZ (that stuff cleans up really well, and it's only $9.99 at Sportsman's Warehouse!). I got a 4" group at 50 yds; but surprisingly about the same group at 100yds. The holes were nice and round, leading me to believe the 385gr Great Plains bullets are stabilizing just fine. That was off a bench rest - completely stable. Now I have to practice from various positions, then fine tune my hunting skills so I can get to around 75 yds.

I'm thinking the Great Plains bullet will be just the ticket to some fine eating in December.

Thanks for the encouragement. I just have to do my job and sneak up close enough and shoot straight.
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PostSubject: Re: Kentucky Long Rifle for cow elk hunting   Kentucky Long Rifle for cow elk hunting EmptyApril 1st 2018, 2:03 pm

It's not hard to kill a cow with a PRB. Double lung shot is meat in the freezer if your range is 75yds.

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PostSubject: Re: Kentucky Long Rifle for cow elk hunting   Kentucky Long Rifle for cow elk hunting EmptyApril 1st 2018, 2:25 pm

Strong Eagle, great story! BTW, what are the "withers"?
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PostSubject: Re: Kentucky Long Rifle for cow elk hunting   Kentucky Long Rifle for cow elk hunting EmptyApril 2nd 2018, 9:29 pm

Strong Eagle, thanks for the explanation. The elk I'm going to be chasing are supposed to be in a winter migration area, in large herds, so I should have plenty of opportunities fairly close. I know what you mean by the instant kill zone - I killed some feral hogs in Texas in November. I hit them right behind the ear and they dropped right there.
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PostSubject: Re: Kentucky Long Rifle for cow elk hunting   Kentucky Long Rifle for cow elk hunting EmptyApril 3rd 2018, 5:34 am

Strong Eagle,
 we don't have elk down under, but they do in New Zealand, if ever I go there I will keep this bit of advice in mind.  Whithers are the top of the shoulder.

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PostSubject: Re: Kentucky Long Rifle for cow elk hunting   Kentucky Long Rifle for cow elk hunting EmptyApril 3rd 2018, 9:45 am

@heelerau wrote:
Strong Eagle,
 we don't have elk down under, but they do in New Zealand, if ever I go there I will keep this bit of advice in mind.  Whithers are the top of the shoulder.

You have sambar there. They're a relative of elk. Maybe they taste as good too.

We have sambar here too but the tag is hard to draw. I put in for years and finally was drawn in 2006. The hunt dates coincided with me having my gall bladder out. They said no rain checks.

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PostSubject: Re: Kentucky Long Rifle for cow elk hunting   Kentucky Long Rifle for cow elk hunting EmptyApril 3rd 2018, 11:15 am

@OldMtnMan wrote:
It's not hard to kill a cow with a PRB. Double lung shot is meat in the freezer if your range is 75yds.

Not knowing your experience with hunting, like Pete says if your worried about smaller groups hit the animal in the lungs (even at 100 yards with one shot in the lungs they may travel a 100 yard then lay down). I personally have shot over a dozen buffalo, bulls and cows with probably half of them shot through the lungs. Most didn't travel more than 20 yards then went down, once down if need be shoot them behind the ear and the hunt is over and the work begins).

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PostSubject: Re: Kentucky Long Rifle for cow elk hunting   Kentucky Long Rifle for cow elk hunting EmptyApril 3rd 2018, 11:21 am

Nothing can live with a hole in both lungs. Some take longer than others to die but they'll all die. The size of the kill zones is the biggest and the safest shot you can take.

It doesn't take a huge bullet to do it. A hole is a hole. Only bad shots fail.

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Back in the 1840's a kid in IL with a single shot .22 caliber rifle killed a circus elephant on a bet with his friend, one shot in the eye. Wonder what that cost his parents .......  What a Face

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