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PostSubject: Another dumb new guy question   June 4th 2018, 8:49 pm

So I did my first BP Hunt last year with a borrowed TC Triumph. It was off hand at 114 yards and a doe in the bag. I had so much fun getting away from CF that this year I have just ordered a TC Triumph for myself. After reading all these post about CVA I am worrying I may have moved too soon and made a mistake. Are TC’s not as good in quality as CVA ? My buddy who obviously owns TC kinda sold me them being of the highest quality.
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PostSubject: Re: Another dumb new guy question   June 4th 2018, 8:51 pm

I wouldn't say TC is of the highest quality, far from that. But they do make a solid product. Ever sense S&W took over some years ago, their involvement in muzzleloaders has gone down the drain, but that does not hurt their accuracy any. I think you will be more than happy.

Now if you plan on shooting conical bullets, a TC is not the way to go.
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PostSubject: Re: Another dumb new guy question   June 5th 2018, 5:19 am

FG has the right of it. That said, you will find that every one has a rifle that makes them smile in a way that maybe some one else would not. 

"I had so much fun..." Yeah? So, you went out and got your own version of the rifle that let that happen. Good for you! Trust how a rifle makes you feel. There is often a truth in that feeling that others may not know because it might be unique to you. 

A few thoughts on 'mistake' rifles

1.  I have orangutan arms. Some rifles that others absolutely love do not physically mesh well with my frame. I have made the mistake of listening to their opinions rather than the ergonomic feel of the weapon in my hands.

2.  I have fallen in 'love' with rifles loaned to me by friends that were 'special' just because of the happy association with a friend or a happy shoot. These are not the 'best' rifles. But, they sure were fun and some would call them a 'mistake.'

3.  A perfect rifle for one guy may be a mistake for another. Why are you shooting? Are you a history buff? OK. Then you might get more enjoyment from a smooth bore trade rifle than a more modern synthetic stock BP rifle. (One of these would definitely be a mistake for me.) If range and intense accuracy are your thing? 114 is a fair distance... and coyotes? I am guessing the smooth bore would not fit your current reason to be shooting. (Reasons evolve)

4.  Rifles have 'fallen' across my path without me planning over the years. Some were genuine mistakes. But, every single one of these taught me something and allowed me to have fun before I moved on. A rifle is not a marriage. You can have more than one. 

I am as susceptible to 'rifle envy' as anybody. But, I have learned a lesson over time. If it feels good, shoot it. Enjoy your new rifle. Unless... there is a problem. In which case, learn from it and move on to the next one. That can be fun, too. 

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PostSubject: Re: Another dumb new guy question   June 5th 2018, 11:19 am

Good posts guys, good information for the new guy.  :rtup

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PostSubject: Re: Another dumb new guy question   June 8th 2018, 3:25 pm

@hdrk1111 wrote:
So I did my first BP Hunt last year with a borrowed TC Triumph. It was off hand at 114 yards and a doe in the bag. I had so much fun getting away from CF that this year I have just ordered a TC Triumph for myself. After reading all these post about CVA I am worrying I may have moved too soon and made a mistake. Are TC’s not as good in quality as CVA ? My buddy who obviously owns TC kinda sold me them being of the highest quality.
I don't think you made a mistake at all. While the CVA's certainly have the edge over TC in some areas, they are slight and the Triumph is a great gun.

Personally, I believe you'll experience similar accuracy and quality with the Triumph and Accura. The real differences are in stock design and breeching levers. I personally like the CVA breeching lever more, as the Triumph can be difficult to open and close at times. Other than that, it's small differences overall and a lot of it is personal preference.

With that being said, I do agree with FG, that TC has not put a lot of effort in new muzzleloaders. We will see what the future holds, whether they bring a new model to market soon, or they continue to make cosmetic changes to their current lines. Unfortunately, with Smith & Wesson at the helm, they have much higher production minimums and most muzzleloader models don't come close enough to warrant a new model.

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PostSubject: Re: Another dumb new guy question   July 3rd 2018, 6:50 pm

The TC's are great guns. Triumphs are fabulous. You'll have no trouble stabilizing a conical bullet with that 1:28 twist. Practice with it and build up your confidence as to what you can do with it.
Practice with it and build up your confidence as to what you can do with it.
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PostSubject: Re: Another dumb new guy question   July 4th 2018, 7:40 am

I own one of each. An older t/c black diamond lr. I know that muzzy like my right hand. Open breech, older technology but i have a great deal of confidence in it and it is proven. Dropped a many of whitetail. The other a CVA accura mr. Great firearm in its right, top of the line. I know and I have more history with the T/C. Both great firearms. Just saying, enjoy what you have and make the best of it!
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PostSubject: Re: Another dumb new guy question   July 5th 2018, 10:32 am

T/C has always been a good starter for muzzleloading, have sold at least a 100 new ones and half that many used (reconditioned) guns. Totally incorrect for the name "Hawken", but a safe reproduction for it's day in the sun.

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PostSubject: Re: Another dumb new guy question   July 6th 2018, 12:22 pm

I bought a New CVA and found out fast it was geared for Power Belt Bullets, couldn't get rid of it fast enough.

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PostSubject: Re: Another dumb new guy question   July 6th 2018, 4:53 pm

Why does the fast twist barrels seem to turn the shooters of this forum off?

I've got a 1:66" twist Kentucky rifle. I love it, but I prefer a 1:28" twist 209 primed rifle for reliability and effectiveness.
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PostSubject: Re: Another dumb new guy question   July 14th 2018, 5:21 pm

Any twist turns some off, smoothbores are making a new run in sales.   Dunno

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PostSubject: Re: Another dumb new guy question   July 14th 2018, 6:15 pm

Fast twist doesnt turn me off. I prefer shooting balls, but have shot tons of conicals and sabots. Just like the easier recoil and romance of patched round balls.


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PostSubject: Re: Another dumb new guy question   July 14th 2018, 6:44 pm

Ditto .....  :rtup

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PostSubject: Re: Another dumb new guy question   July 15th 2018, 5:02 pm

Thanks, Guys, for your positions on twist. My only experience with smooth bores are with shotguns and none of them muzzleloaders. My fastest twist barrel is a Gonic GA-90 made for the contender in 45 caliber with a 1:22" twist. Haven't had enough field time to build confidence in it yet. But I appreciate Fred Rodney's contribution, nonetheless. He was a TC guy before he went on his own. A great designer.
I also have a stainless GA-93 magnum in .50 cal.
He made some unique rifles for sure!
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