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PostSubject: How accurate was The Mountain Men?   June 11th 2018, 8:29 pm

Interesting topic on facebook!

"Watching "The Mountain Men" with Charleston Heston and Brian Keith again for the umpteenth time....how accurate is this film insofar as clothing, equipment, weapons, dialogue, props, set dressing, etc.?"


Buck, you were there, give us your opinions on the accuracy/inaccuracy you saw while on the set and what you noticed on the movie itself.
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PostSubject: Re: How accurate was The Mountain Men?   June 12th 2018, 7:49 am

First off the uncut version was closer to true life of the time. The cutting room did their thing to cut out some of the "exposure to violence, sexual themes, profanity, and the depiction of the usual substances in movies for parental and public health concerns" so they told us. Will always remember that line they gave us why some scenes were missing.

      

The main character parts were done very well for the speech of the time, the mood shown, clothing was close (could have been more worn), their equipage was a mix of time periods that probably wasn't right to the purest but the general public won't pick up on these things. 

Overall Heston and Keith looked the part. Heston's roll was done as written, darn near word for word. Keith's role at time wasn't even close to the script, he just winged it and it was probably better than what was written (have never heard some of the four letter words he used on the French trappers)? He drove Heston's son Fraizer nuts trying to follow the script with Keith. 

Brian wasn't the Uncle Bill of Family Affair as we remembered him when kids.  Smile   rabbit

There were (25-30 ?) AMM brothers there along with a (125-130) mountain men from Colorado that a friend and myself hand picked over two weekends of interviews. These two groups were correct for the time period. 

Western artist Jerry Crandall (a friend) had been hired for his historical knowledge and appointed us to review the background actors (guys mentioned) like we had done for Centennial and a few other movies working with him.

Then there were the locals that the production company hired that were real questionable. The prop people made some poor choices with clothing and combination of equipage that we saw. 

Fraser Heston - assn director (Charleston Heston's son) told me that there were so many hands in the production in Hollywood he was about ready to leave. I didn't know what he was referring to at the time with the movie.


Stephen Macht was a really nice guy, he studied his role before he was called to do the next scene which the others didn't. Stephen was an interesting man and probably the best trained actor there. Professionally trained at the London Academy of Music and Dramatic Arts, a graduate of Dartmouth College, a Ph.D. in Dramatic Literature from Indiana University and, during his teaching days, a tenured Associate Professor, Stephen Macht is one of the best-educated working actors in America, today. 

He was born in Philadelphia, so we had a connection and talked about the places we use to go to. I think we both enjoyed our time together at the movie, very interesting person to talk to.

I was always looking at the clothing, firearms (TC's and CVA's furnished by Hollywood for the locals), anything that jumped out like a dipstick using a WW II blanket that we grabbed and hid in a teepee, little crap like that. It was impossible to grab everything we saw because of the numbers and size of the area covered by folks getting ready for their role in a different scene.

Then you had to watch where you were walking with the wooden railroad tracks everywhere used to run the cameras on. It was interesting to watch what all was done in the background like the feed wagon that explodes when hitting feed bags (it was assembled with small dowels where ever there had been bolts so it would fall apart very easily).

We were 'hot dogs' among the mountainmen, rendezvous groups, everyone had questions and wanted to be informed if another movie was coming up that needed help. Crandall had me get hats made for our small company of men.


Jonathan what was said on other forums about this movie, some of these discussions are people just talking and have no knowledge of what they are talking about?

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PostSubject: Re: How accurate was The Mountain Men?   June 12th 2018, 12:02 pm

I was just asked a question by "Tipis": 

" Who did the Indian camps and clothing for the movie ?   I asked some of the movie staff at the Colorado 80 rendezvouze but never got a real answer.  Heston was gracious but busy with the the others. "


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Here's his picture, Old "Iron Eyes" himself along with the Labins (they wrote the book on Tipi's years ago). They showed up to make a few corrections (the Labins live outside of Jackson Hole, WY). We were invited to go to see their original bows and arrows collection in their very large A-Frame home, cool stuff.




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PostSubject: Re: How accurate was The Mountain Men?   June 12th 2018, 12:57 pm

OMG.....that is why it is a mess.  Those were NOT BLACFOOT tipis And the camp was very inaccurate.  And Iron Eyes  Cody the Italian knew nothing about tipis or proper native clothing.  He mixed time periods and tribes up.  The Cow hair styles were not bad.....but everyone's beadwork was imposible see what tribe and the little quillwork was  later 1880s.
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PostSubject: Re: How accurate was The Mountain Men?   June 12th 2018, 3:03 pm

The American Mountain Men [AMM] were probably the most accurately dressed and outfitted of the whole group. Probably why we get invited to these type of things knowing we are as correct as anyone and have the documentation for each item used (AMM requirement).

One of my brothers from the AMM had a studio fool try and put Tandy leather dye on his brain tanned leggins. He was told it would wash out, then I saw the bottle he got the dark brown stuff from and we got that stopped. 

I told Crandall (he was who we reported to) of what had happened (he's also AMM) and knows the cost of good brain tan leather. That company man left the set a few hours later, never saw him again for the remainder of the one month period we were involved. Man did they feed us, think everyone gained a few pounds after that affair.

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PostSubject: Re: How accurate was The Mountain Men?   June 12th 2018, 3:10 pm

You mentioned La Veta Pass Rendezvous in 1980 when the film crew and actors showed up. Heston was really busy trying to visit with us after camping and working in Jackson. He's was a real pro and did a good job with his acting skills. It doesn't matter what movie if its in your area of experience you can pick any of them apart. 

Hell, even Peewee Herman had issues. If he would just stay out of those dark movie holes.  What a Face   affraid   lol!

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