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PostSubject: Re: What's the reaL STORY?   What's the reaL STORY? - Page 3 Empty2018-08-26, 08:35

@OldMtnMan wrote:
Glad it worked out buddy.
Thanks Pete
It couldn't have been more successful! MAN... that 3FFF really does do the trick!
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Yes, it works better than 2F for main charge and 4F in the pan. I compared the two and 3F for both seemed faster and so much easier to just buy one powder.

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@OldMtnMan wrote:
Yes, it works better than 2F for main charge and 4F in the pan. I compared the two and 3F for both seemed faster and so much easier to just buy one powder.
Pete
 I have to agree with you all around. I never had 2FF ignite like that, and in the pan the ignition was almost instantaneous! I love the idea of only having to mess with one powder AND if you ever lost your priming horn you're not screwed, you still have pan powder too.
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A lot of guys use just the main powder horn as i'm sure you know. I never like it as much as a small priming horn. I always put in too much with the big horn. Then I had to fiddle with removing some of it.

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PostSubject: Re: What's the reaL STORY?   What's the reaL STORY? - Page 3 Empty2018-08-26, 11:40

@OldMtnMan wrote:
A lot of guys use just the main powder horn as i'm sure you know. I never like it as much as a small priming horn. I always put in too much with the big horn. Then I had to fiddle with removing some of it.
Pete
 Thank you for the reply.
 I have a small all Black Priming horn with a 1 grain valve ( not period correct I know), but I LOVE it! It's loaded up with 4FFFF and that works great, but if I ever run out????? I'm afraid that the 3FFF wont feed through that valve? I know it fed through the bigger 3 grain valve that I put on Doc's primer, but I think it could feed better? It took about 3 plunges to get the pan where I wanted it, but it DID work!
 I have 5 powder horns here on the go right now and 2 priming horns. It's getting messy in my shop, and I haven't even started on my new knives yet. I'm going to do a few 2 inch bladed patch knives. My bigger knives aren't selling and I have a box full of them here. That's why the 10% off sale until Halloween. I was hoping to "cash in" on some pre-Christmas sales, but it isn't looking great? Thanks again.
God bless buddy:
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PostSubject: Re: What's the reaL STORY?   What's the reaL STORY? - Page 3 Empty2018-08-26, 11:55

It's August. You still have time to sell Christmas presents.

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@OldMtnMan wrote:
It's August. You still have time to sell Christmas presents.
No one seems to be interested, that's why Buck suggested that I have a sale.
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PostSubject: Re: What's the reaL STORY?   What's the reaL STORY? - Page 3 Empty2018-09-02, 10:41

For 30 years we ran several major muzzle-loading shooting events in Colorado. I got stuck with handling the prizes, write the beg letters to the manufactures, go to shooting sports type businesses, anyone that would donate something. After a few years our sources started to dry up with some folks closing their doors with a lack of interest in black powder.  

Then one day I was thinking about this while doing our yearly inventory for taxes and it hit me we have some old inventory that has been counted several times (dead items). The following day I had to go to town and stopped by a friend's store, looked around at the items that never seem to move. I asked Mike (the owner) if he would think about donating his dead old inventory and get a donation slip for his taxes.  For taxes 1/3 back off retail is better than zero with the donation slip, it took about 30 seconds and he's handing me items that haven't sold in several years. I used the same approach at every store that had old stock we knew about and usually came away with some good shoot prizes.

This is why I told Stoney to have a sale on slow items, at least he'll get the material cost back and a little for his labor.

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PostSubject: Re: What's the reaL STORY?   What's the reaL STORY? - Page 3 Empty2018-09-02, 11:27

@Buck Conner wrote:
For 30 years we ran several major muzzle-loading shooting events in Colorado. I got stuck with handling the prizes, write the beg letters to the manufactures, go to shooting sports type businesses, anyone that would donate something. After a few years our sources started to dry up with some folks closing their doors with a lack of interest in black powder.  

Then one day I was thinking about this while doing our yearly inventory for taxes and it hit me we have some old inventory that has been counted several times (dead items). The following day I had to go to town and stopped by a friend's store, looked around at the items that never seem to move. I asked Mike (the owner) if he would think about donating his dead old inventory and get a donation slip for his taxes.  For taxes 1/3 back off retail is better than zero with the donation slip, it took about 30 seconds and he's handing me items that haven't sold in several years. I used the same approach at every store that had old stock we knew about and usually came away with some good shoot prizes.

This is why I told Stoney to have a sale on slow items, at least he'll get the material cost back and a little for his labor.
Thanks Buck, but my sale doesn't seem to be generating any interest? I have 2 more of the patch knives very similar to the one that Russell Shaffer won in the postal shoot, but it seems like a waste of time to photo them and ask Jonathan to post the photos?
I just keep making things, but it's getting costly in time AND materials for no sales.
 I've been thinking about just closing the store and putting my effort into something more constructive, but I love doing this.  However... if I can't even get back my material costs then it isn't worth the investment. Thanks for all your help and advice.
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I'm going to have an Isaac Haines rifle built Stoney. I'll be getting a patch knife from you and maybe some other stuff.

It will be a while, but i'll do it.

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PostSubject: Re: What's the reaL STORY?   What's the reaL STORY? - Page 3 Empty2018-09-02, 11:47

@OldMtnMan wrote:
I'm going to have an Isaac Haines rifle built Stoney. I'll be getting a patch knife from you and maybe some other stuff.

It will be a while, but i'll do it.
Pete
 Thank you, but that's not necessary. I'm sure you have better places to put your money, but I appreciate the support. If you truly do want/need the stuff, then I'll never turn away sale, I just don't want you to feel obligated to help me out.
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There you go A SALE ....  Smile

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@Buck Conner wrote:
There you go A SALE ....  Smile
Buck
 Yup... but I don't want folks to feel obligated to keep me here. I want sales due to the quality of my work and reputation, but I appreciate Pete's interest.
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Not at all bud. I wouldn't buy something I didn't like.

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@OldMtnMan wrote:
Not at all bud. I wouldn't buy something I didn't like.
Thank you Pete.
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In case anyone wonders about other subs besides the white stuff, when I first got into BP a friend of mine sold me his almost new PA Hunter and I had read a lot of "horror" stories about black powder rusting up your gun.....so naturally I wanted to avoid all that.
I began thinking on my own and came up with the idea that maybe I'd use triple se7en with 4F in the pan. It shot.
Then I tried Shockeys Gold (Amer.Pioneer) 2F and it shot. There was very little fouling with either one, but there were TWO flaws in my neophyte plan.
1) There was a crust ring just where the base of the PRB seated down in the barrel, which could have been problematic.
2) The ignition was reliably slow, that is to say both reliable AND slow. Now I was smart enough to be very picky and careful to keep the flash channel open, and my 4F away from plugging the hole, so I had no problems lighting the replica powders except slow ignition (which did cause some accuracy issues).
After shooting with my buddy one afternoon, I asked the question of him why was his firing sequence so much quicker than mine......As the good friend that he is, he smiled and answered "I shoot black powder"!!!
Now I shoot black, and I'll never go back!
I leave the other GREAT SUBS for my inline rifle. That's where they really shine!
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@PaperPunch1 wrote:
In case anyone wonders about other subs besides the white stuff, when I first got into BP a friend of mine sold me his almost new PA Hunter and I had read a lot of "horror" stories about black powder rusting up your gun.....so naturally I wanted to avoid all that.
I began thinking on my own and came up with the idea that maybe I'd use triple se7en with 4F in the pan. It shot.
Then I tried Shockeys Gold (Amer.Pioneer) 2F and it shot. There was very little fouling with either one, but there were TWO flaws in my neophyte plan.
1) There was a crust ring just where the base of the PRB seated down in the barrel, which could have been problematic.
2) The ignition was reliably slow, that is to say both reliable AND slow. Now I was smart enough to be very picky and careful to keep the flash channel open, and my 4F away from plugging the hole, so I had no problems lighting the replica powders except slow ignition (which did cause some accuracy issues).
After shooting with my buddy one afternoon, I asked the question of him why was his firing sequence so much quicker than mine......As the good friend that he is, he smiled and answered "I shoot black powder"!!!
Now I shoot black, and I'll never go back!
I leave the other GREAT SUBS for my inline rifle. That's where they really shine!
PaperPunch1
 I (personally) would NEVER use anything but true Black, however the guy I built the rifle for last year. (I built a .50 cal. percussion for my Dr.), knew nothing about BP, Question and all I knew was that sub was working in percussion guns. Had I known that he would have me build him ANOTHER .50 cal. this year, but in flintlock, I would NEVER have gotten him sub. I'd have just gone with BP from the start. My concern was the issue of confusing him with all this flintlock stuff (and new powder) all at one time. I was trying to KISS, so he didn't blow himself up? PLUS.... he's my doctor, who would watch out for me if he killed himself? Shocked
 We got it straightened out finally. This forum is a great place to get answers, but like everything else, everybody has his (or her) own opinion, so once you test all the info. you can use what works best for you. Thanks for your input, much appreciated.
God bless:
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