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PostSubject: Re: NEW PATCH KNIFE WITH BALL STARTER & BUILDING A SHEATH   September 3rd 2018, 6:06 pm

Yes.  Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: NEW PATCH KNIFE WITH BALL STARTER & BUILDING A SHEATH   September 3rd 2018, 6:17 pm

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stoney the tacks that you use, do they have a steel shank on them  that you bend?
Nope I don't use tacks
 I use antique nickel plated Brass spots. They have 2 Tines on the back and you use a special setter to put them in. I buy them from a friend of mine's store in Indianapolis, In. www.steckstore.com

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PostSubject: Re: NEW PATCH KNIFE WITH BALL STARTER & BUILDING A SHEATH   September 3rd 2018, 6:18 pm

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Yes.  Very Happy
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 Got it... thanks. Buck don't want one now.
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PostSubject: Re: NEW PATCH KNIFE WITH BALL STARTER & BUILDING A SHEATH   September 3rd 2018, 6:21 pm

He's like an old woman. Best to ignore him




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PostSubject: Re: NEW PATCH KNIFE WITH BALL STARTER & BUILDING A SHEATH   September 3rd 2018, 6:25 pm

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He's like an old woman. Best to ignore him




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Nope
 If I did that he might go away, and then who'd pick on me?  headslap
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PostSubject: Re: NEW PATCH KNIFE WITH BALL STARTER & BUILDING A SHEATH   September 4th 2018, 8:38 am

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I like your French Friars tack design, not to be confused with (French Fryers.) lol!  I think 1/4" is the smallest tacks I have?  Maybe I have 3/16" but I'll have to look? Can't remember what I bought back in March? Old age!

 I may make one like this just for the Hell of it? I can use the practice and I like the design. I'm not sure what blade style would work though? Any suggestions?
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Like you said the sheath may need to be a little longer because of the length of knife. This will give you a general idea. The shape of your sheath is right on the money like seen in museums.

Jon asked if your using steel shank tacks with the shank bent over or the tack with bend over tabs? That was going to be my next question, but the kid beat me to it.

By the way that is called "The Cross of Lorraine": (Croix de Lorraine) consisting of a vertical line crossed by two shorter horizontal bars. In most renditions, the horizontal bars are "graded" with the upper bar being the shorter in length.

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PostSubject: Re: NEW PATCH KNIFE WITH BALL STARTER & BUILDING A SHEATH   September 4th 2018, 8:40 am

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@OldMtnMan wrote:
He's like an old woman. Best to ignore him

Hi Buck. pirat
Nope
 If I did that he might go away, and then who'd pick on me?  headslap
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I don't go away like someone we know, I just wait and get even - double fold.   geek

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PostSubject: Re: NEW PATCH KNIFE WITH BALL STARTER & BUILDING A SHEATH   September 4th 2018, 8:53 am

You have no idea why I go away sometimes. It's better than if I stayed.

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PostSubject: Re: NEW PATCH KNIFE WITH BALL STARTER & BUILDING A SHEATH   September 4th 2018, 9:22 am

Thanks for the info. on the Croix de Lorraine.
On to Jon's question:
No I don't use tacks, I use Nickel Plated Antique Brass spots. They have 2 "tines" on the back and I use a special setter to attach them.  It "drives" the tines right through the leather, then I turn the leather over and fold the tines to secure the spot to the sheath. They look exactly like the old Tacks seen on museum grade leather work.  Normally, I'd say that's cheatin' but since you can never see the back side of the spots, I go more for authentic looks than true period correct hardware. If I DID use real antique, period correct tacks, I'd have to jack up my prices and folks don't want to pay what I'm charging now? So it's a winning move all around.
Thanks for the revised drawing, but I still think the blade will be too wide to fit past the welt? I'm going to make one that looks exactly like your drawing, BUT it may have to be a bit different in size from your original sketches in order to work? Thanks again for your help Buck.
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PostSubject: Re: NEW PATCH KNIFE WITH BALL STARTER & BUILDING A SHEATH   September 4th 2018, 10:50 am


Stoney here a picture of the knife you built me a while back. Let's see what you can make from these rough sketches.

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PostSubject: Re: NEW PATCH KNIFE WITH BALL STARTER & BUILDING A SHEATH   September 4th 2018, 12:57 pm

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@stoney1 wrote:
I like your French Friars tack design, not to be confused with (French Fryers.) lol!  I think 1/4" is the smallest tacks I have?  Maybe I have 3/16" but I'll have to look? Can't remember what I bought back in March? Old age!

 I may make one like this just for the Hell of it? I can use the practice and I like the design. I'm not sure what blade style would work though? Any suggestions?
Stoney



Like you said the sheath may need to be a little longer because of the length of knife. This will give you a general idea. The shape of your sheath is right on the money like seen in museums.

Jon asked if your using steel shank tacks with the shank bent over or the tack with bend over tabs? That was going to be my next question, but the kid beat me to it.

By the way that is called "The Cross of Lorraine": (Croix de Lorraine) consisting of a vertical line crossed by two shorter horizontal bars. In most renditions, the horizontal bars are "graded" with the upper bar being the shorter in length.
Buck
 See.... there ya go! I answered Jon as soon as he posted that question last night, but I have NO idea where my reply got to!? "Thar be ghosts on this here website Matey." pirat
Thanks for the info. on the Croix de Lorraine.
On to Jon's question:
No I don't use tacks, I use Nickel Plated Antique Brass spots. They have 2 "tines" on the back and I use a special setter to attach them.  It "drives" the tines right through the leather, then I turn the leather over and fold the tines to secure the spot to the sheath. They look exactly like the old Tacks seen on museum grade leather work.  Normally, I'd say that's cheatin' but since you can never see the back side of the spots, I go more for authentic looks than true period correct hardware. If I DID use real antique, period correct tacks, I'd have to jack up my prices and folks don't want to pay what I'm charging now? So it's a winning move all around.
Thanks for the revised drawing, but I still think the blade will be too wide to fit past the welt? I'm going to make one that looks exactly like your drawing, BUT it may have to be a bit different in size from your original sketches in order to work? Thanks again for your help Buck.
Stoney
Bad news Buck
 I spent a half hour making a pattern only to realize that this it's impossible to make it fit. The amount of leather required to wrap around the knife puts the sheath at about  2-1/4" wide when it's finished. I made the pattern and folded it. Then I tried the knife I have here (same blade profile and basic handle size). There's NO way that the knife will fit in there, PLUS there's very little place to stitch. Think about it. the blade is 1-1/8" wide and the sheath you want 1-1/2" wide. That only leaves 3/8" for stitching! Even with a sewing machine that isn't enough seam allowance, PLUS you have to consider the welt. Without the welt, you have no solid place to cut your belt loop, and without that welt, you'll cut through your stitches AND your belt! I could make it without the welt?, but I don't think that would work either? The sheath would fall apart after about 6 months, maybe a year with minimal use? I don't have 75 years of leather working experience, I've only been making sheathes since about 1985, but I know what will work and what won't! This won't. The law of physics says "no two solid objects can occupy the same space at the same time." I've seen people try to break that law with vehicles and trees, Shocked it doesn't work there either. There just isn't enough leather and size to make this work. Sorry Buck.

 When you make a sheath, you have to allow enough leather to wrap around the knife. Watch some YouTube videos on knife sheath making. Normally this adds about another 3/4" to the width of the sheath before it's folded and stitched.
I'm going to try making one with your measurements, but I'm 99.9% certain that it WILL NOT work. I mean, I can make it no problem, but you'll NEVER get the knife in it!
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PostSubject: Re: NEW PATCH KNIFE WITH BALL STARTER & BUILDING A SHEATH   September 5th 2018, 2:22 pm

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What does it look like without the belt slot for width?  

Oh, changed the title of this topic as it has become a knife and sheath lesson for everyone to learn from Stoney.
Sorry Buck
 I NEVER meant for this to become MY page! I apologize for the intrusion.
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This is a learning experience that some of the members enjoy and learn at the same time Stoney.

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PostSubject: Re: NEW PATCH KNIFE WITH BALL STARTER & BUILDING A SHEATH   September 5th 2018, 4:45 pm

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You never gave me an answer, Stoney. How much is the patch knife?
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 I thought I answered this, but I don't see my reply? The patch knife is $50.00+ $5.00 S&H
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Sorry Pete.
I got ahead of myself on this one and gave you a price for the wrong knife. The price for the knife with the ball starter and sheath is $80.00+ $8.00 s&h. I thought you asked about the little knife and I thought I answered you and said the price was $50.00+$8.00 s&h, but I just saw your post asking for the price, then I hit the link and saw the OTHER knife there. The ball starter one. This whole posting thing is getting confusing?
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PostSubject: Re: NEW PATCH KNIFE WITH BALL STARTER & BUILDING A SHEATH   September 5th 2018, 5:17 pm

I was asking about the small patch knife. I saw the price of the bigger knife.

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PostSubject: Re: NEW PATCH KNIFE WITH BALL STARTER & BUILDING A SHEATH   September 5th 2018, 6:02 pm

Yes, it looks good.

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PostSubject: Re: NEW PATCH KNIFE WITH BALL STARTER & BUILDING A SHEATH   September 8th 2018, 1:40 pm

I'd sooner bite a turd grandpa.

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PostSubject: Re: NEW PATCH KNIFE WITH BALL STARTER & BUILDING A SHEATH   September 15th 2018, 11:45 am

Here's one of Stoney's small patch knife we had mentioned. Now a complete set ready for use, just finished putting a razor sharp edge on this little guy.


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PostSubject: Re: NEW PATCH KNIFE WITH BALL STARTER & BUILDING A SHEATH   September 15th 2018, 12:03 pm

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Here's one of Stoney's small patch knife we had mentioned. Now a complete set ready for use, just finished putting a razor sharp edge on this little guy.

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 Nice work. It makes my little patch knife look VERY authentic, like it just came off of Hugh Glass' neck.
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PostSubject: Re: NEW PATCH KNIFE WITH BALL STARTER & BUILDING A SHEATH   September 15th 2018, 12:14 pm

Stoney, 

Sorry for all the problems you went through trying to make one of your leather sheaths work out.  This was a good lesson for all of us. What you have in mind sounds good but sometimes it's impossible to make happen.

If you look close you can see a pencil line on the sheath, going to add a few "coo stripes" like seen on old native clothing.


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PostSubject: Re: NEW PATCH KNIFE WITH BALL STARTER & BUILDING A SHEATH   September 15th 2018, 12:34 pm

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Stoney, 

Sorry for all the problems you went through trying to make one of your leather sheaths work out.  This was a good lesson for all of us. What you have in mind sounds good but sometimes it's impossible to make happen.

If you look close you can see a pencil line on the sheath, going to add a few "coo stripes" like seen on old native clothing.


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Buck
 Thanks. I finished it. It's up for sale in the store with a knife. Thank you for the "experience." I think your sheath looks good just like it is, but I'm sure the coo stripes will make it more authentic!
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PostSubject: Re: NEW PATCH KNIFE WITH BALL STARTER & BUILDING A SHEATH   September 15th 2018, 1:54 pm

Stoney just looked at the ad, that's a good price for a very nice looking patch knife and sheath. Where's Pete - he needs to look at this one, the rest should check out your wares old friend. Good job.  :rtup

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