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PostSubject: New powder horns   New powder horns EmptySeptember 3rd 2018, 11:24 am

Howdy folks
 Here's a few new "old" horns I just finished. They're not fancy, but they're not supposed to be. They're supposed to look authentic. The Yellowish colored one has Birch plugs holding in the cap. The Priming horn has Copper Plated steel nails, the other 3 have solid Copper nails. They all have the caps sealed with a mixture of 80% bee's wax and 20% Paraffin wax. The primer has a 1 grain charging valve (not period correct I know, but convenient) all 4 have filling holes in the cap with 3/8-16 threaded Brass rod (spark proof) and turned finials. The primer has a turned Acorn finial and all of them have fitted pour spout plugs. Two are antler, one is Black Walnut.
I have to weave straps for them yet then they'll be finished, but I couldn't resist showing them off.   https://postimg.cc/gallery/2arxwln5y/
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PostSubject: Re: New powder horns   New powder horns EmptySeptember 3rd 2018, 11:36 am

Well, looks like you'll get more of my money. I'll need two. Prime and main charge.

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PostSubject: Re: New powder horns   New powder horns EmptySeptember 3rd 2018, 11:58 am

@OldMtnMan wrote:
Well, looks like you'll get more of my money. I'll need two. Prime and main charge.
Pete
 Thank you, but I haven't even thought about what to charge yet? I know what guys are getting for them on the American Long Rifles forum, but those boy turn out works of art! I go for period authenticity NOT artsy fartsy museum grade wall hangers. Twisted Evil Sorry... I have at least 4 more in the works. One is an identical twin to the primer you saw in the link, but since it's not done yet, I can leave off the charging valve? Let me know. Is this where my reply is supposed to be? I'm still screwed up on this stuff. Question Thanks.
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PostSubject: Re: New powder horns   New powder horns EmptySeptember 3rd 2018, 12:01 pm

I like the home made look. It's way more authentic. Price isn't important right now.

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PostSubject: Re: New powder horns   New powder horns EmptySeptember 3rd 2018, 12:05 pm

@OldMtnMan wrote:
I like the home made look. It's way more authentic. Price isn't important right now.
Pete
 I'll be reasonable either way. Like I said many times here. I don't do this for the money, if I did, I'd starve. I do it to get to stay in my shop and away from the wife.   affraid
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PostSubject: Re: New powder horns   New powder horns EmptySeptember 3rd 2018, 12:48 pm

I found a way to stay away from the wife permanently. Divorce.

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PostSubject: Re: New powder horns   New powder horns EmptySeptember 3rd 2018, 1:01 pm

@OldMtnMan wrote:
I found a way to stay away from the wife permanently. Divorce.
Pete
 I ain't rich 'nuff fer that. Besides, one S/S check don't stretch that far. Fortunately, we don't owe anybody anything. We have no credit cards and our home and vehicles have been paid for for years, but still, not in the cards especially at my age! Where would I find another sucker to put up with ME for 50 years?  Rolling Eyes 
Thanks for the support though.
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PostSubject: Re: New powder horns   New powder horns EmptySeptember 3rd 2018, 1:07 pm

I did it when I was 30. It's a lot easier at that age.

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PostSubject: Re: New powder horns   New powder horns EmptySeptember 3rd 2018, 1:29 pm

@OldMtnMan wrote:
I did it when I was 30. It's a lot easier at that age.

No doubt. Back then I could have afforded it too, but not now.
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PostSubject: Re: New powder horns   New powder horns EmptySeptember 4th 2018, 1:35 pm

Same here Pete, then I hit my head one day and a few years later did it again .... crap [dumb & dumber].  Mad

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PostSubject: Re: New powder horns   New powder horns EmptySeptember 4th 2018, 1:56 pm

I learned my lesson from the first marriage and got a dog.

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PostSubject: Re: New powder horns   New powder horns EmptySeptember 4th 2018, 6:45 pm

You should be proud. Very nice work!
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PostSubject: Re: New powder horns   New powder horns EmptySeptember 5th 2018, 4:11 am

@JIMYJAC wrote:
You should be proud. Very nice work!
JIMYJAC
 I'm not done with them yet, but I surely do appreciate your encouragement.  I have 3 or 4 more here I'm working on. You can check out some of my other things in the store, The Mountain Man Emporium here on the site. Thank you.
God bless:
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PostSubject: Re: New powder horns   New powder horns EmptySeptember 5th 2018, 7:15 am

Hi, Dave,
When they are done, I can use a priming horn with the valve. You have made very nice knives, and now you are building fine, authentic horns. Well done!
Ron

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PostSubject: Re: New powder horns   New powder horns EmptySeptember 5th 2018, 7:40 am

@RonC wrote:
Hi, Dave,
When they are done, I can use a priming horn with the valve. You have made very nice knives, and now you are building fine, authentic horns. Well done!
Ron
Hi RonC
 Thank you for your endorsement, it's much appreciated!  I'm not certain about the valve being very authentic? But it's darned convenient. Email me, we'll talk.
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PostSubject: Re: New powder horns   New powder horns EmptySeptember 5th 2018, 8:09 am

If I wanted convenient Stoney. I wouldn't be using a traditional muzzleloader.  Wink

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PostSubject: Re: New powder horns   New powder horns EmptySeptember 5th 2018, 8:19 am

@OldMtnMan wrote:
If I wanted convenient Stoney. I wouldn't be using a traditional muzzleloader.  Wink
Hey Pete
 I'm sorry, did I accidentally send you an email about the convenience of that valve? If I did, I didn't mean to. I assume from your post, that somehow I sent it to you?
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PostSubject: Re: New powder horns   New powder horns EmptySeptember 5th 2018, 8:38 am

No, I was responding to your post above mine.

I figure if i'm going to use a primitive weapon I might as well do everything period correct. Within reason anyway.

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PostSubject: Re: New powder horns   New powder horns EmptySeptember 5th 2018, 9:29 am

@OldMtnMan wrote:
No, I was responding to your post above mine.

I figure if i'm going to use a primitive weapon I might as well do everything period correct. Within reason anyway.
 
Pete
 Now you're talkin' That's what I like to hear!!  Very Happy I'm pretty much of a purist myself, that's why I hunted with a flintlock EVEN through the muzzle loader season when Percussion's we allowed. I've always been in love with the Mountain Man Persona and lifestyle. Sorry about the confusion on the post. I figured that in my infinite stupidity I sent an email to you by mistake. confused
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PostSubject: Re: New powder horns   New powder horns EmptySeptember 5th 2018, 9:42 am

Love the fur trade era too Stoney. I was always hung up on using the Hawken for it. As you know the Hawken wasn't used by the many mountain men and probably none in the beginning. They used longrifle flintlocks.

So, i'm having a friend build me an Isaac Haines. That is after I save up enough for the parts. After I get the gun i'll talk to you about getting period correct horns, patch knife, bags etc.

Do to too many injuries i'm going to retire from hunting. It's not fun anymore. However, I have a strong desire to target shoot. A couple of postal shoots a month and the spring and fall Colorado State Shoots will keep me busy. That's when I want everything correct. When I go to shoots. It's too far to drive for club shoots, but i'll do it for the state shoots. They have a much bigger turnout.

So, be patient. Let me get the gun built first. I want to put every penny towards it.

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PostSubject: Re: New powder horns   New powder horns EmptySeptember 5th 2018, 10:21 am

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OldMtnManIf I wanted convenient Stoney. I wouldn't be using a traditional muzzleloader.  Wink


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French 19th-century metal flask, with device to adjust amount dispensed.

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German antler and steel flask, c. 1570; the goddess Fortuna stands on a hedgehog upon a globe
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AA powder flask for gunpowder, which was an essential part of shooting equipment with muzzleoading guns, before pre-made paper cartridges became standard in the 19th century. 
Many were standardized military issue, but the most decorative were generally used for sporting shooting.
Many designs (such as horn and antler types) have a wide sealed opening for filling, and a thin spout for dispensing. Various devices were used to load a precise amount of powder to dispense, as it was important not to load too much or too little powder, or the powder was dispensed into a powder measure or "charger" (these survive much less often). As early as c.1600 a German flask had a silver spout with a "telescopic valve, adjustable for different sizes of powder charges". By the 1700's German flasks appeared with spring loaded values for dispensing the charge.[/ltr]

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PostSubject: Re: New powder horns   New powder horns EmptySeptember 5th 2018, 10:31 am

We're talking about fur trade mountain men Buck. Crude, simple, and not convenient. I'm sure they used the main powder horn for the pan.

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PostSubject: Re: New powder horns   New powder horns EmptySeptember 5th 2018, 10:41 am

@OldMtnMan wrote:

Do to too many injuries i'm going to retire from hunting. It's not fun anymore. However, I have a strong desire to target shoot. A couple of postal shoots a month and the spring and fall Colorado State Shoots will keep me busy. That's when I want everything correct. When I go to shoots. It's too far to drive for club shoots, but i'll do it for the state shoots. They have a much bigger turnout.

Pete,

When you are in need of help, let me know. I know a little bit about North American Fur Trade, been at it for over 65 years. Biggest problem is everyone is an expert but have done NO RESEARCH period. Most are repeating what they heard third or forth hand (a fair percentage). I have made as many mistakes as the next guy when getting started and then finding out that nice old trader was no better than a used car salesman (just looking for a sale) right, wrong or what ever.

History, correct edibles, camps, equipage, weapons, camp life, period travel and so on. To reach the top ranking in associations like the American Mountain Men, North American Frontiersmen you need to have documentation on everything you use, carry or are eating. I'm not bragging, it was a challenge to me to be the best I could and in doing so reached the highest ratings in both groups.

I was very lucky having a half dozen of the best show me the way from the AMM. All were first members with association numbers under 100, now close to 2,000.

You mention the Colorado State Shoot (know most of them that are involved as they worked for me at one time or another when I was Pres., V. Pres., or another position held in the organization for over 15 years. 

What is the nearest towns near you, bet I can find you a small clubs with monthly shoots.

Buck

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PostSubject: Re: New powder horns   New powder horns EmptySeptember 5th 2018, 10:43 am

@OldMtnMan wrote:
We're talking about fur trade mountain men Buck. Crude, simple, and not convenient. I'm sure they used the main powder horn for the pan.

Stoney was wondering how old the spring loader value has been used Pete. Just answering his question.

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PostSubject: Re: New powder horns   New powder horns EmptySeptember 5th 2018, 10:51 am

I tried to join the AMM years ago, but got ignored. I guess you need to be sponsored. That was then, but I have no interest in them now. If I could trek like they do I could still go hunting. I just want to do shoots now, but be somewhat period correct. No interest in re-enacting or rendezvous.

I'm 30 miles north of Salida in Buena Vista. Closest club is Colorado Springs Muzzleloader Assy. They shoot  a few miles from Canon City. Too far to go for club shoots, but they have the state shoots there too. I'll drive there for the two state shoots. I can do postal shoots on any National Forest land and i'm, surrounded by it.

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