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PostSubject: New powder horns   New powder horns Empty2018-09-03, 11:24

Howdy folks
 Here's a few new "old" horns I just finished. They're not fancy, but they're not supposed to be. They're supposed to look authentic. The Yellowish colored one has Birch plugs holding in the cap. The Priming horn has Copper Plated steel nails, the other 3 have solid Copper nails. They all have the caps sealed with a mixture of 80% bee's wax and 20% Paraffin wax. The primer has a 1 grain charging valve (not period correct I know, but convenient) all 4 have filling holes in the cap with 3/8-16 threaded Brass rod (spark proof) and turned finials. The primer has a turned Acorn finial and all of them have fitted pour spout plugs. Two are antler, one is Black Walnut.
I have to weave straps for them yet then they'll be finished, but I couldn't resist showing them off.   https://postimg.cc/gallery/2arxwln5y/
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PostSubject: Re: New powder horns   New powder horns Empty2018-09-03, 11:36

Well, looks like you'll get more of my money. I'll need two. Prime and main charge.

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PostSubject: Re: New powder horns   New powder horns Empty2018-09-03, 11:58

@OldMtnMan wrote:
Well, looks like you'll get more of my money. I'll need two. Prime and main charge.
Pete
 Thank you, but I haven't even thought about what to charge yet? I know what guys are getting for them on the American Long Rifles forum, but those boy turn out works of art! I go for period authenticity NOT artsy fartsy museum grade wall hangers. Twisted Evil Sorry... I have at least 4 more in the works. One is an identical twin to the primer you saw in the link, but since it's not done yet, I can leave off the charging valve? Let me know. Is this where my reply is supposed to be? I'm still screwed up on this stuff. Question Thanks.
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PostSubject: Re: New powder horns   New powder horns Empty2018-09-03, 12:01

I like the home made look. It's way more authentic. Price isn't important right now.

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PostSubject: Re: New powder horns   New powder horns Empty2018-09-03, 12:05

@OldMtnMan wrote:
I like the home made look. It's way more authentic. Price isn't important right now.
Pete
 I'll be reasonable either way. Like I said many times here. I don't do this for the money, if I did, I'd starve. I do it to get to stay in my shop and away from the wife.   affraid
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PostSubject: Re: New powder horns   New powder horns Empty2018-09-03, 12:48

I found a way to stay away from the wife permanently. Divorce.

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PostSubject: Re: New powder horns   New powder horns Empty2018-09-03, 13:01

@OldMtnMan wrote:
I found a way to stay away from the wife permanently. Divorce.
Pete
 I ain't rich 'nuff fer that. Besides, one S/S check don't stretch that far. Fortunately, we don't owe anybody anything. We have no credit cards and our home and vehicles have been paid for for years, but still, not in the cards especially at my age! Where would I find another sucker to put up with ME for 50 years?  Rolling Eyes 
Thanks for the support though.
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PostSubject: Re: New powder horns   New powder horns Empty2018-09-03, 13:07

I did it when I was 30. It's a lot easier at that age.

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PostSubject: Re: New powder horns   New powder horns Empty2018-09-03, 13:29

@OldMtnMan wrote:
I did it when I was 30. It's a lot easier at that age.

No doubt. Back then I could have afforded it too, but not now.
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PostSubject: Re: New powder horns   New powder horns Empty2018-09-04, 13:35

Same here Pete, then I hit my head one day and a few years later did it again .... crap [dumb & dumber].  Mad

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I learned my lesson from the first marriage and got a dog.

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PostSubject: Re: New powder horns   New powder horns Empty2018-09-04, 18:45

You should be proud. Very nice work!
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PostSubject: Re: New powder horns   New powder horns Empty2018-09-05, 04:11

@JIMYJAC wrote:
You should be proud. Very nice work!
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 I'm not done with them yet, but I surely do appreciate your encouragement.  I have 3 or 4 more here I'm working on. You can check out some of my other things in the store, The Mountain Man Emporium here on the site. Thank you.
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PostSubject: Re: New powder horns   New powder horns Empty2018-09-05, 07:15

Hi, Dave,
When they are done, I can use a priming horn with the valve. You have made very nice knives, and now you are building fine, authentic horns. Well done!
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PostSubject: Re: New powder horns   New powder horns Empty2018-09-05, 07:40

@RonC wrote:
Hi, Dave,
When they are done, I can use a priming horn with the valve. You have made very nice knives, and now you are building fine, authentic horns. Well done!
Ron
Hi RonC
 Thank you for your endorsement, it's much appreciated!  I'm not certain about the valve being very authentic? But it's darned convenient. Email me, we'll talk.
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PostSubject: Re: New powder horns   New powder horns Empty2018-09-05, 08:09

If I wanted convenient Stoney. I wouldn't be using a traditional muzzleloader.  Wink

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PostSubject: Re: New powder horns   New powder horns Empty2018-09-05, 08:19

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If I wanted convenient Stoney. I wouldn't be using a traditional muzzleloader.  Wink
Hey Pete
 I'm sorry, did I accidentally send you an email about the convenience of that valve? If I did, I didn't mean to. I assume from your post, that somehow I sent it to you?
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PostSubject: Re: New powder horns   New powder horns Empty2018-09-05, 08:38

No, I was responding to your post above mine.

I figure if i'm going to use a primitive weapon I might as well do everything period correct. Within reason anyway.

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@OldMtnMan wrote:
No, I was responding to your post above mine.

I figure if i'm going to use a primitive weapon I might as well do everything period correct. Within reason anyway.
 
Pete
 Now you're talkin' That's what I like to hear!!  Very Happy I'm pretty much of a purist myself, that's why I hunted with a flintlock EVEN through the muzzle loader season when Percussion's we allowed. I've always been in love with the Mountain Man Persona and lifestyle. Sorry about the confusion on the post. I figured that in my infinite stupidity I sent an email to you by mistake. confused
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PostSubject: Re: New powder horns   New powder horns Empty2018-09-05, 09:42

Love the fur trade era too Stoney. I was always hung up on using the Hawken for it. As you know the Hawken wasn't used by the many mountain men and probably none in the beginning. They used longrifle flintlocks.

So, i'm having a friend build me an Isaac Haines. That is after I save up enough for the parts. After I get the gun i'll talk to you about getting period correct horns, patch knife, bags etc.

Do to too many injuries i'm going to retire from hunting. It's not fun anymore. However, I have a strong desire to target shoot. A couple of postal shoots a month and the spring and fall Colorado State Shoots will keep me busy. That's when I want everything correct. When I go to shoots. It's too far to drive for club shoots, but i'll do it for the state shoots. They have a much bigger turnout.

So, be patient. Let me get the gun built first. I want to put every penny towards it.

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OldMtnManIf I wanted convenient Stoney. I wouldn't be using a traditional muzzleloader.  Wink


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French 19th-century metal flask, with device to adjust amount dispensed.

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German antler and steel flask, c. 1570; the goddess Fortuna stands on a hedgehog upon a globe
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AA powder flask for gunpowder, which was an essential part of shooting equipment with muzzleoading guns, before pre-made paper cartridges became standard in the 19th century. 
Many were standardized military issue, but the most decorative were generally used for sporting shooting.
Many designs (such as horn and antler types) have a wide sealed opening for filling, and a thin spout for dispensing. Various devices were used to load a precise amount of powder to dispense, as it was important not to load too much or too little powder, or the powder was dispensed into a powder measure or "charger" (these survive much less often). As early as c.1600 a German flask had a silver spout with a "telescopic valve, adjustable for different sizes of powder charges". By the 1700's German flasks appeared with spring loaded values for dispensing the charge.[/ltr]

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PostSubject: Re: New powder horns   New powder horns Empty2018-09-05, 10:31

We're talking about fur trade mountain men Buck. Crude, simple, and not convenient. I'm sure they used the main powder horn for the pan.

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@OldMtnMan wrote:

Do to too many injuries i'm going to retire from hunting. It's not fun anymore. However, I have a strong desire to target shoot. A couple of postal shoots a month and the spring and fall Colorado State Shoots will keep me busy. That's when I want everything correct. When I go to shoots. It's too far to drive for club shoots, but i'll do it for the state shoots. They have a much bigger turnout.

Pete,

When you are in need of help, let me know. I know a little bit about North American Fur Trade, been at it for over 65 years. Biggest problem is everyone is an expert but have done NO RESEARCH period. Most are repeating what they heard third or forth hand (a fair percentage). I have made as many mistakes as the next guy when getting started and then finding out that nice old trader was no better than a used car salesman (just looking for a sale) right, wrong or what ever.

History, correct edibles, camps, equipage, weapons, camp life, period travel and so on. To reach the top ranking in associations like the American Mountain Men, North American Frontiersmen you need to have documentation on everything you use, carry or are eating. I'm not bragging, it was a challenge to me to be the best I could and in doing so reached the highest ratings in both groups.

I was very lucky having a half dozen of the best show me the way from the AMM. All were first members with association numbers under 100, now close to 2,000.

You mention the Colorado State Shoot (know most of them that are involved as they worked for me at one time or another when I was Pres., V. Pres., or another position held in the organization for over 15 years. 

What is the nearest towns near you, bet I can find you a small clubs with monthly shoots.

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@OldMtnMan wrote:
We're talking about fur trade mountain men Buck. Crude, simple, and not convenient. I'm sure they used the main powder horn for the pan.

Stoney was wondering how old the spring loader value has been used Pete. Just answering his question.

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I tried to join the AMM years ago, but got ignored. I guess you need to be sponsored. That was then, but I have no interest in them now. If I could trek like they do I could still go hunting. I just want to do shoots now, but be somewhat period correct. No interest in re-enacting or rendezvous.

I'm 30 miles north of Salida in Buena Vista. Closest club is Colorado Springs Muzzleloader Assy. They shoot  a few miles from Canon City. Too far to go for club shoots, but they have the state shoots there too. I'll drive there for the two state shoots. I can do postal shoots on any National Forest land and i'm, surrounded by it.

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@Buck Conner wrote:
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We're talking about fur trade mountain men Buck. Crude, simple, and not convenient. I'm sure they used the main powder horn for the pan.

Stoney was wondering how old the spring loader value has been used Pete. Just answering his question.
When it was used and was it available might be quite different. I think the MM tried to keep things simple so they would break in the mountains miles from civilization. I believe that's why they stayed with flintlocks.

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What about some of these, its a start for researching bud:

https://buenavistasportsmansclub.org/


https://www.google.com/search?lei=pQqQW9LIMcSItQXhrrq4Dw&q=colorado%20west%20gun%20club&ved=0ahUKEwih7K20qqTdAhUCPq0KHUbpCjUQsKwBCAYoBA&biw=1146&bih=630



http://wheretoshootcolorado.com/

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We're talking about fur trade mountain men Buck. Crude, simple, and not convenient. I'm sure they used the main powder horn for the pan.

Stoney was wondering how old the spring loader value has been used Pete. Just answering his question.
When it was used and was it available might be quite different. I think the MM tried to keep things simple so they would break in the mountains miles from civilization. I believe that's why they stayed with flintlocks.

Most don't realize that many of the weapons that came to the fur trade were military muskets (early on), guns used when enlisted in the War of 1812 and later. For pay many took their weapons and headed west, flints were preferred because of flint rock was available for the looking (don't find percussion caps laying around). Most of the equipage used was what they had when leaving for this new adventure (the fur trade and riches they thought).

I need to get back to putting up information under the topic "Primitive Lifestyle" that Jonathan has listed. Got side tracked with yard work, doing a little shooting and health issues. Have same deal as Jonathan, need to have an MRI with the dye to see if I have an artery being pinched off and limiting blood flow to the brain? Causing signs of blacking out, dizziness, weakness, troubling walking. Carp it's always something.

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Exactly. My persona is I was born and raised in Mass. When I decided to go west after a divorce. I passed through PA and bought an Isaac Haines rifle in .50 for the bigger game out west. I was using a smooth bore in Mass and didn't want to use it out west.

That's my story for ending up in Colorado with an Isaac Haines. It's not too far off my real life and still works in 1820.

I'm not looking for a gun club Buck. I know what's around me. I'm looking for a club that has black powder events. The closest one is the one I mentioned. Nobody shoots traditional muzzleloaders around here. There's a guy who lives in Salida that's a member of the AMm, but like I said. he was one of the ones who ignored my emails.

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For those who don't know the name Isaac Haines, he was one of the most educated and sophisticated gun builders of his time. His surviving work is a testament to the skills and artistic eye that this prominent gun maker used in the production of such beautiful early 1770’s American longrifles.

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That's a good start for your persona Pete. Many of the folks I have talked to don't know who or what they want to me. Yours is like mind we both know where our roots started and you move forward with that in mind. Excellent.  :tup2 

Coming from Mass you will pickup misc. items from the different areas you travel as you work your way in into the Arkansas River Valley and the area of what would become Buena Vista Colorado first settled in 1864 by settlers drawn to the area by the plentiful water which made the land suitable for agriculture. Alternate pronunciations include "Bwenna Veesta" (Spanish pronunciation) and simply "Biewnie. You would be one of the first white men in the area, probably more Mexicans and Indians than any other race at the time. An original fur trapper trying to make a living at his trade.

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Actually, that's not how you pronounce it. That's the Spanish way to say it but this town was named by a white woman and she was fussy on how to pronounce it. If you said it the way you think everybody would know you're a tourist.

I'll let you think about how to say it.  pirat

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The spelling came from Webster.

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I didn't mention spelling. I'm talking about how to pronounce it.

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Watch the video.

https://es-la.facebook.com/nowthisiscolorado/videos/how-do-you-say-buena-vista/10156182620018146/

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Watch the video.

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I know my Spanish is a little rusty these days, but no matter how you pronounce it. It means Beautiful View. Just  2c
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Yes, it has that. I can see it out my window right now.

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Yes, it has that. I can see it out my window right now.

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WOW... Pete. Gorgeous!!!! Nothing like around here. I'm in the mountains of N.E. Pa. and this is nice, but that's fantastic. No wonder they call it God's Country!!
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Here's Pete's bathroom Stoney.

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PostSubject: Re: New powder horns   New powder horns Empty2018-09-05, 16:01

Thanks, bud. It is a nice place to live.

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Those pesky bears Buck.

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You must have good bait to get them that close Pete.....  headslap

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They like my stink.  Very Happy

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@OldMtnMan wrote:
They like my stink.  Very Happy

apparently ...  lol!

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PostSubject: Re: New powder horns   New powder horns Empty2018-09-05, 16:24

@Buck Conner wrote:
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Here's Pete's bathroom Stoney.
Don't knock the out house Buck. I spent many a cold Winter's day and hot summer taking myself to ours when I was a kid. My biggest worry was Copperheads in the outhouse! I never had indoor plumbing until I was 10. Pot Belly stove in the kitchen, parlor stove in the living room. Mom washed dishes and we took bathes with water from the hand cranked well. I thought we were doing pretty well? Then I found Electricity... DAMN I'm OLD... We had party line phones until I was 12. One long and 2 short, that was our ring, and you could listen in on the other person on the line. Twisted Evil  I heard a lot of crazy crap when I was a kid with that party line!  Embarassed
 Did my knife and sheath photos make it to the web? I posted them to the Mountain Man craft page???? I think?? Thanks.

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PostSubject: Re: New powder horns   New powder horns Empty2018-09-07, 18:40

Hi guys (gals)
 That little Black priming horn with the valve is sold. It went to a good friend of mine in Co.
 I'm making an identical twin, but it won't have the valve. Just in case anyone was interested?
Stoney

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