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PostSubject: Traditions™ 1851 Navy Revolver Pistol - .44 Cal   Traditions™ 1851 Navy Revolver Pistol - .44 Cal EmptyOctober 7th 2018, 5:15 pm

I know nothing about this pistol. The main question at hand is can it be used practically as a shooter? It is very affordable new- the 200 dollar range. My Dad acquired one. I just want to know if it is a replica-sit-on-the shelf-pistol, or a bang-bang-fun pistol. 

Anyone know anything about this one? Thanks.

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PostSubject: Re: Traditions™ 1851 Navy Revolver Pistol - .44 Cal   Traditions™ 1851 Navy Revolver Pistol - .44 Cal EmptyOctober 7th 2018, 5:20 pm

They are Pietta brand in a Traditions box. Great shooters and good looking pistols. I used to have the 1860 and they are a blast to shoot.
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PostSubject: Re: Traditions™ 1851 Navy Revolver Pistol - .44 Cal   Traditions™ 1851 Navy Revolver Pistol - .44 Cal EmptyOctober 7th 2018, 6:28 pm

@FrontierGander wrote:
They are Pietta brand in a Traditions box. Great shooters and good looking pistols. I used to have the 1860 and they are a blast to shoot.

Thanks, FG. My Dad will be pleased.

These are very affordable, then. Wow. I looked up the 1860, too. It sells for around 500?

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PostSubject: Re: Traditions™ 1851 Navy Revolver Pistol - .44 Cal   Traditions™ 1851 Navy Revolver Pistol - .44 Cal EmptyOctober 7th 2018, 6:39 pm

it shouldnt unless its a uberti!
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PostSubject: Re: Traditions™ 1851 Navy Revolver Pistol - .44 Cal   Traditions™ 1851 Navy Revolver Pistol - .44 Cal EmptyNovember 10th 2018, 7:46 am

The Pietta made 1851 Navy revolvers are terrific firearms and, as already stated, fun to shoot. If I recall correctly, the brass framed 1851 Navy can't handle the higher powder loads that the steel framed revolvers can. I know that to be the case with the 36 cal 1851. My 1851 Navy is 36 cal and the 1860 Army is 44 cal. Both are steel framed. The brass framed versions were much less expensive, but I didn't want the powder-pressure limitations.
I would have no qualms about shooting it regularly, but I would check first about the recommended loads.
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PostSubject: Re: Traditions™ 1851 Navy Revolver Pistol - .44 Cal   Traditions™ 1851 Navy Revolver Pistol - .44 Cal EmptyNovember 10th 2018, 8:42 am

Ive got the Uberti 1860 Army and didnt pay anything close to 500 for mine. The one thing I have read about the army though is Pietta does a better job with the cylinder shaft length. With my Uberti I needed to make a spacer so when the barrel is put back on after removing the cylinder the spacing is the same.

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PostSubject: Re: Traditions™ 1851 Navy Revolver Pistol - .44 Cal   Traditions™ 1851 Navy Revolver Pistol - .44 Cal EmptyNovember 14th 2018, 1:41 pm

Interesting guys, knew about the brass frame issues, never heard about the cylinder shaft length before on the Uberti , thanks.

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PostSubject: Re: Traditions™ 1851 Navy Revolver Pistol - .44 Cal   Traditions™ 1851 Navy Revolver Pistol - .44 Cal EmptyDecember 1st 2018, 4:18 pm

Pietta Sheriff started my bug nice guns careful with brass frames one can shoot out (stretch) the soft brass....Mine is used a few times a month with 20 grains some consider it weak but I`d like to keep the gun it is a hoot to shoot.
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PostSubject: Re: Traditions™ 1851 Navy Revolver Pistol - .44 Cal   Traditions™ 1851 Navy Revolver Pistol - .44 Cal EmptyDecember 9th 2018, 12:12 pm

@CVA Enthusiast wrote:
Pietta Sheriff started my bug nice guns careful with brass frames one can shoot out (stretch) the soft brass....Mine is used a few times a month with 20 grains some consider it weak but I`d like to keep the gun it is a hoot to shoot.

Brass frames will stretch if not careful on your loads.   :tdown2

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PostSubject: Re: Traditions™ 1851 Navy Revolver Pistol - .44 Cal   Traditions™ 1851 Navy Revolver Pistol - .44 Cal EmptyDecember 9th 2018, 5:45 pm

@Buck Conner wrote:
@CVA Enthusiast wrote:
Pietta Sheriff started my bug nice guns careful with brass frames one can shoot out (stretch) the soft brass....Mine is used a few times a month with 20 grains some consider it weak but I`d like to keep the gun it is a hoot to shoot.

Brass frames will stretch if not careful on your loads.   :tdown2
YUP I believe I said it eventually brass frames  do "Shoot Out" or stretch of course higher powder load the faster it achieves this.
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PostSubject: Re: Traditions™ 1851 Navy Revolver Pistol - .44 Cal   Traditions™ 1851 Navy Revolver Pistol - .44 Cal EmptyDecember 10th 2018, 7:23 am

My 1851 is fun to shoot!
Feeling lazy, I bought an extra cylinder and a six chamber loading device. That way, I get 12 shots before reloading and can reload each cylinder quickly with 6 balls at one time.
The price to pay is the time it takes to clean the pistol after shooting.
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PostSubject: Re: Traditions™ 1851 Navy Revolver Pistol - .44 Cal   Traditions™ 1851 Navy Revolver Pistol - .44 Cal EmptyMarch 24th 2019, 1:13 pm

20 to 25 grains FFFg or FFg under a round ball. Malt-O-Meal or Cream of Wheat (uncooked) rammed over the ball. Grease/lube melts on the chambers next to the one fired. The dry cereal is non-flamable, won't damage the barrel, and "scrubs" most of the fouling out of the barrel from the previous shot.
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PostSubject: Re: Traditions™ 1851 Navy Revolver Pistol - .44 Cal   Traditions™ 1851 Navy Revolver Pistol - .44 Cal EmptyApril 7th 2019, 11:37 am

On another forum, the brass frames were determined to be bronze and as strong as steel.  Does anyone know if this is so?  Inquiring minds want to know...…….robin
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PostSubject: Re: Traditions™ 1851 Navy Revolver Pistol - .44 Cal   Traditions™ 1851 Navy Revolver Pistol - .44 Cal EmptyApril 15th 2019, 11:41 am

@robinsroost wrote:
On another forum, the brass frames were determined to be bronze and as strong as steel.  Does anyone know if this is so?  Inquiring minds want to know...…….robin

On an early Navy Arms Henry rifle with the brass frame later called bronze, either one had issues with stretching at the receiver.  Then they put out a warning about not using Buffalo Ammo and later about reloads. Brace or Bronze will stretch.

Brass Higher malleability than zinc or copper. Low melting point (900 c); flows when melted. Combinations of iron, aluminum, silicon & manganese make brass corrosion resistant. Susceptible to stress cracking when exposed to ammonia. Not as hard as steel.Bronze Hard and brittle. Melts at 950 centigrade but depends on amount of tin present. Bronze resists corrosion (especially seawater corrosion) and metal fatigue more than steel and is also a better conductor of heat and electricity than most steels.
Brass is any alloy of copper and zinc.Bronze is a metal alloy consisting primarily of copper, usually with tin as the main additive, but sometimes with other elements such as phosphorus, manganese, aluminum, or silicon.
Muted yellow, somewhat similar to gold, but duller.Reddish brown.
Decorative; Low-friction applications (locks, gears, doorknobs, ammunition, valves); Plumbing/electronics; Musical instruments for acoustic properties; Zippers & uses where it's important to negate spark(fittings & tools around explosive gas).Used in boat and ship fittings, propellers and submerged bearings because of resistance to salt water corrosion. Widely used for cast bronze sculpture; Bearings, clips, electrical connectors and springs; For top-quality bells and cymbals.
Brass was first known to exist in about 500 BC.Bronze dates to about 3500 BC.
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PostSubject: Re: Traditions™ 1851 Navy Revolver Pistol - .44 Cal   Traditions™ 1851 Navy Revolver Pistol - .44 Cal EmptyApril 19th 2019, 12:43 pm

I have that same pistol and I am curious.  There are lots of speculation and repeated warnings without any proof.  Has anyone shot one of these pistols to the point that the frame actually stretched and became unsafe to shoot?  If so, how long did it take and what was your load.  I normally load 20 grains of 3fg or 777 for target practice.  I intend to load 30 grains for hunting.  Keep yer powder dry...…...robin
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PostSubject: Re: Traditions™ 1851 Navy Revolver Pistol - .44 Cal   Traditions™ 1851 Navy Revolver Pistol - .44 Cal EmptyApril 20th 2019, 2:02 pm

I have shot these revolvers but was careful with the charges after seeing how an expensive Navy Arms Henry rifle's frame stretched.   Good luck.

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PostSubject: Re: Traditions™ 1851 Navy Revolver Pistol - .44 Cal   Traditions™ 1851 Navy Revolver Pistol - .44 Cal EmptyApril 20th 2019, 3:26 pm

I have shot my Piatta hundreds of times never had any problem with the frame stretching I shoot normal loads nothing in excess just target shooting anyway. I have 2 Henry rifles with brass receivers a 44 Mag lever and a 44/40 Henry shoot scores of reloads in both and never had any stretch on either of them.

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