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Mike in Oz

Mike in Oz

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PostSubject: Flintlock learning moment    Flintlock learning moment  EmptyNovember 11th 2018, 10:20 am

Was at the range today, banging away quite happily and having a rare ole time, until shot number seven.

*Flash* no bang.

Unperturbed I went through the recharge and vent pick.

*Flash* no bang.

Irritated but unworried I recharged again and picked the hell out of the flash hole.

*Flash* no bang.

This sent on for a total of ten flashes and vent picks until in total frustration and to the amusement of my fellow muzzleloaders who were looking on I took off the side lock and unscrewed the flash hole.

Imagine my surprise when I found the Patiant breech of my pedersoli flintlock to be completely choked with gunge. I mean like totally stuffed full of goop! 😳

I duly cleared it and it shot fine.

Chatting with Gordon on the way home about this problem we came to the conclusion that it was down to my loading procedure.

I normally charge, shoot, wipe, charge shoot and repeat but Gorden pointed out the by wiping between the shots in my normal way I was probably shoving all the dross straight down into the breech and blocking it.

🤦‍♂️

So obvious when someone points it out to you eh? 😂
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PostSubject: Re: Flintlock learning moment    Flintlock learning moment  EmptyNovember 11th 2018, 11:45 am

Mike I keep a brush around that fits into that breech in my box. I just fold a patch over the end and stuff it into that area should I decide to do that. Also if u use a slightly undersized jag you wouldnt push all that grunge in there it should come out with the patch. Al

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Mike in Oz

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PostSubject: Re: Flintlock learning moment    Flintlock learning moment  EmptyNovember 12th 2018, 6:28 pm

Hey Al,

I try and keep my kit as small as possible but i managed to make do with my vent pick, was damn frustrating though.

I suspect it was the high humidity that was turning my residue to sludge which i then inadvertently rammed into the patent breech.


It really makes me wonder how they managed back in the day to hunt in damp or wet conditions.
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PostSubject: Re: Flintlock learning moment    Flintlock learning moment  EmptyNovember 13th 2018, 6:26 am

I make it a point not to swab the barrel all the way to the breech between shots.  I use the "loaded" mark on my ram rod as a stopping point.  That way I do not push gunk into the breech/flash hole area.  Have not had a problem since I started doing this, and I have several rifles with the "Patent" breech.
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PostSubject: Re: Flintlock learning moment    Flintlock learning moment  EmptyNovember 13th 2018, 6:46 pm

I like Grimord's advice and I will try that next time I am out.
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Mike in Oz

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PostSubject: Re: Flintlock learning moment    Flintlock learning moment  EmptyNovember 13th 2018, 6:48 pm

Yeah its a good idea, I'll give that a try.
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PaulK

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PostSubject: Re: Flintlock learning moment    Flintlock learning moment  EmptyNovember 16th 2018, 5:33 pm

@Mike in Oz wrote:
Yeah its a good idea, I'll give that a try.
Mike, why do you swab between shots? I've used different "target" lubes and now spit patch and Rarely swab. Usually shoot 20+ shots then clean the gun.
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PostSubject: Re: Flintlock learning moment    Flintlock learning moment  EmptyNovember 16th 2018, 7:50 pm

A fellow I shoot with swears by swabbing the barrel after he loads. Powder, patched ball, swab the barrel, prime and shoot.
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PostSubject: Re: Flintlock learning moment    Flintlock learning moment  EmptyNovember 17th 2018, 12:01 am

@Coalforge wrote:
A fellow I shoot with swears by swabbing the barrel after he loads. Powder, patched ball, swab the barrel, prime and shoot.
Ya, I watched a pretty accomplished target shooter do that. Certainly worked for him. When I'm out just plinking around I'd rather just be shooting. Especially if I'm walking a trail.
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PostSubject: Re: Flintlock learning moment    Flintlock learning moment  EmptyNovember 18th 2018, 8:47 am

My first thought on this was how do you store your muzzie?  When you clean it after shooting do you swab the bore with a rust preventative oil. If you do you should store the rifle muzzle down and also swab the bore before your shooting session with a couple of dry patches.  A small amount of oil in the breech when combined with black powder fouling can make a real mess with a tar like gunk.
PS: not only muzzies but all firearms should be stored muzzle down to prevent oil from entering the stock from the action.
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PostSubject: Re: Flintlock learning moment    Flintlock learning moment  EmptyNovember 26th 2018, 2:59 pm

I have a caplock, but also swab between shots.  I've found that my POI takes off to the left a ton after about two shots if I don't swab, and this is with a patch/ball combo that is fairly tight.  Doesn't matter if I'm using a wet patch lube or a hunting patch lube.  I've ended up pushing fouling down and blocking it a few times now.  I haven't tried it to see if it will maintain accuracy for me yet, but I read about another method that sounds good to me: pour in the powder charge, start the patch/ball with short starter, and then seat them with a jag with a swab patch on it.  Sounds like a good way to save a little time swabbing and also prevent pushing fouling into the flame channel.
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PostSubject: Me too   Flintlock learning moment  EmptyDecember 6th 2018, 12:04 am

@Coalforge wrote:
A fellow I shoot with swears by swabbing the barrel after he loads. Powder, patched ball, swab the barrel, prime and shoot.
I also used 3f and a spit patch for target shooting  because besides giving the accuracy I wanted ( a lot of 10 shot possibles ) it shot a lot cleaner than the recommended 2f in my 54 and 50 cal rifles.. 
The swabbing was with a barely damp patch once down and out then the same with a dry patch  and a regular clean out at the end of the day  some time 30 shots..  Rob
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PostSubject: Re: Flintlock learning moment    Flintlock learning moment  EmptyDecember 25th 2018, 11:26 pm

I was having a similar issue with my ParkerHale .451 volunteer small bore rifle which has a patent breech.  I reviewed the loading instructions, and now wipe the bore out after I have dropped a powder charge and both felt and card wad on top down the barrel. Wet patch then a dry patch and no ignition issues. Hence my advice to Mike on the way home,

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PostSubject: Re: Flintlock learning moment    Flintlock learning moment  EmptyDecember 26th 2018, 6:31 pm

I had the same problem today.  First time shooting a flintlock (Pedersoli Hawken).  Brush, then patch, then 60 grains of Geox FF powder and a Maxiball.  

On shot # 4 the flint came loose.  So I put a new flint in and recharged the pan.  After 5 more tries, I gave up.  Took the side lock and plug out, saturated the powder and pulled the ball.

I guess I pushed the spooge too far down. 😱
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