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PostSubject: So excited!!   So excited!! Empty2018-12-09, 18:35

Just won a 12g single barrel shot gun on gun broker! Curly maple stock. Bore has some light pitting but it looks like it will clean up. I really want to try a patched ball in it and see how it goes. Looks like a rear sight is on it to!

I plan on restoring it, brown the barrel and try the aquafortis stock treatment on it as well.

Sucker has a 41 1/2" barrel on it!


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PostSubject: Re: So excited!!   So excited!! Empty2018-12-09, 18:40

So how did that weekend hunt go?
And congrats on the "long" gun acquisition. 

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PostSubject: Re: So excited!!   So excited!! Empty2018-12-09, 22:13

Still huhting. No elk yet. The mule bucks are out in full force! Necks are swollen, bucks running around like crazy trying to breed. Hopefully tomorrow my nephew will see something.
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PostSubject: Re: So excited!!   So excited!! Empty2018-12-11, 20:46

I really regret not buying one of the CVA single barrel 12ga guns when Cabelas used to sell them for less than $200 IIRC. I look on GB and gunsamerica all the time but have never seen a single one of them for sale. But I can see where a single barrel gun like this would really be useful. Especially a cap lock set up.

Pictures when you can please. And have a good hunt.
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PostSubject: Re: So excited!!   So excited!! Empty2018-12-14, 19:40

Looks good to me. There was an article in The Backwoodsman a couple of years ago about a fellow who had found a home built smooth bore that all they could tell for sure was that it had a CVA cap lock. They thought the barrel may have been a Belgium made barrel from Dixie. Then a simple stock and sight set up just like yours. His was in .45 caliber.

The guy that wrote the article stated he got around 3" groups at 100 yards and had used the gun to kill small game and a couple of deer. He said the gun only weighed about 3.5 pounds. I don't know how many times I have reread that article but wish I could find a gun just like that.

Since you have written several articles for BWM maybe an article on this gun would be a good read. Just a thought.  :rtup
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PostSubject: Re: So excited!!   So excited!! Empty2018-12-14, 19:45

That is a good idea! I will be sure to take plenty of before and after pictures. Its certainly not a cva lock. I will go through this smoothie and look for any marks on it. Who ever did the stock did a good job on the inletting and shaping. It just needs some cleaning up and refining of course.
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PostSubject: Re: So excited!!   So excited!! Empty2018-12-27, 09:53

Nice find, looking forward to seeing the refinished results.
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PostSubject: Re: So excited!!   So excited!! Empty2018-12-28, 18:11

damn! my sister calls and said the shotgun came in today! I had just got back from her place when UPS came by... Looks like I have to make another trip over the boarder to her place and snatch that new toy up!
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PostSubject: Re: So excited!!   So excited!! Empty2018-12-29, 18:05

We can see the filler that's plugging the pin holes.. they didn't drill through both sides of the wood so you can get them out!! 

Best thing to do? Remove the fillers and then drill out the pins?
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PostSubject: Re: So excited!!   So excited!! Empty2018-12-30, 10:05

They may have miss-drilled the stock, and put in the plugs to cover up the mess up. I'd remove the plugs and tap the pins out, then put in a new plug on one side and drill through from the opposite side. Repeat for the other plug, and then sand and refinish.
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PostSubject: Re: So excited!!   So excited!! Empty2018-12-30, 17:26

The pins only go through one side of the wood. No exit or way to tap the pins out, which means, I'll have to drill out the pins in order to remove the barrel.
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PostSubject: Re: So excited!!   So excited!! Empty2018-12-31, 13:06

Stop talking and get to work, there is a dead line like all your projects ......   Crying or Very sad   Shocked   Rolling Eyes

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I'm in new Mexico right now. I barely have a screw driver to work with lol.
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PostSubject: Re: So excited!!   So excited!! Empty2018-12-31, 13:41

If need be I have antique leg irons that could hold you to the work bench, just need to have one of those portable toilets sitting next to you for when nature calls.  affraid   Dunno

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PostSubject: Re: So excited!!   So excited!! Empty2019-01-04, 12:15

@FrontierGander wrote:
Sucker has a 41 1/2" barrel on it!

Looks like ya got yerself a "Goose Gun" pilgrim!!... LOL!

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PostSubject: Re: So excited!!   So excited!! Empty2019-01-04, 15:46

My excitement turned into a kick in the nuts today LOL. The guy did a nice job making it LOOK like it would shoot. He used nails to fix the barrel to the stock. Some hit the other side of the wood and bent downward, one bent upward completely under the barrel. Had I loaded and shot it, the barrel most likely would have blown off the stock. I ended up having to break off the fore stock, then cut it smooth. I would make an awesome looking half stock.

I got my ass reamed that's for sure! Pretty firewood.
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PostSubject: Re: So excited!!   So excited!! Empty2019-01-04, 17:45

If I were going to redo the stock, I would use aqua fortis to bring out the curl. It has some awesome wood grain.
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PostSubject: Re: So excited!!   So excited!! Empty2019-01-04, 18:31

@FrontierGander wrote:
If I were going to redo the stock, I would use aqua fortis to bring out the curl. It has some awesome wood grain.

That's the correct stain that's been around since the Civil War.  Jonathan ya just can't get anything for $5 bucks anymore that's worth a damn .....   Evil or Very Mad

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PostSubject: Re: So excited!!   So excited!! Empty2019-01-04, 18:36

Just one of those moments... No more used custom stuff thats for damn sure lol.

I can shoot it now after cutting the stock and drilling an exit hole for the stock/barrel pin. I just need to figure out how to turn a 12" long dingle berry hone, into one thats 44" long so I clean clean out the bore and smooth it a bit.

i have a feller wanting to trade me and he will restock it, so we will see how that goes. Just really bummed, I was so excited over it and to find that the stock was put together the way it was... Just plain sucks.
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PostSubject: Re: So excited!!   So excited!! Empty2019-01-05, 10:38

Do you have a welder or access to one?  I have many times extended a short rod (one any thing from drill bits to hones) into the needed length by adding a longer rod on the item. Easiest way to align them is lay what your wanting to extend and the rod in a piece of angle iron then they are straight at the connecting point - weld them together.  Once welded together you may need to do some adjustments on the anvil to make both piece straight.  Old cheap way the farmer do things.

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PostSubject: Re: So excited!!   So excited!! Empty2019-01-05, 10:41

Yes I have a welder. I will see what I have in the shop that i can use to extend it and weld them together.
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Jonathan that puppy has some drop, repair it and see how it shoots. Who knows, could be fun to play with ...  Dunno

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PostSubject: Re: So excited!!   So excited!! Empty2019-01-06, 19:59

Don't know how much cutting an smoothing you need to do but at times when I have needed to knock some rust out of the inside of a barrel, I have used a piece of wooden dowel cut a slot in the end an inserted a piece of sandpaper in the slot put that end in the barrel, chuck the other end in a electric drill an sand away.
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PostSubject: sand paper   So excited!! Empty2019-01-08, 14:52

I got a Traditions 50 cal hawkens from a pawn shop for $50, the guy said "it needs some love" stripped it down cleaned up the stock where it sat next to the heater and charred the stock, there was a ball STUCK about 1/3 the way up the bore, $7 at harbor freight got a 48" X 3/8" drill drilled out the ball, way jacked up bore down there. I used the sand paper on a stick on a hand drill to grind it down, took it to a 54 cal smoothie. that system works great. if yo need a less aggressive grit you can wrap steel wool on a cleaning jag or a straight coat hanger, that is what I am polishing mine with now.
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PostSubject: Re: So excited!!   So excited!! Empty2019-01-23, 18:15

Well sob! I had the side plate off and was doing a little inletting for practice and when I flipped the plate over stamping into the brass was: Stock Made 7-18-71 ( I would easily assume 1971 ) Geo. Shoaf.

Now on this sideplate theres original stamp work thats faint.... Tryon
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PostSubject: Re: So excited!!   So excited!! Empty2019-01-23, 21:54

Edw. K. Tryon Co. of Philadelphia Pennsylvania sold rifles and shotguns - retail. Note "retail" not manufactured most of his stuff from early on came from London or Belgium all imported by Edw. K. Tryon and later his sons. If you remove the forearm, then push the top lever to the side and separate the barrels from the frame. Inspect the underside of the barrel/barrels and the frame water table to see if any proof mark or maker's mark (or in some cases a customer’s name) stamped there. If made in Belgium, the letters ELG will be stamped on the barrel/barrels or frame. If there are no proof marks, chances are it was made in the United States, by another company for Edw. K. Tryon. 

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This firm is still in business today still retailing as well as supplying power outdoor equipment to businesses dealing with lawn mowers, trimmer to snow removable equipment to a large hardware business. 

When still in that business we would be in their warehouse several times a month year round picking up supplies.  Tryon was a major player in the settling of the west, the westward movement right up to today, same firm different goods.

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PostSubject: Re: So excited!!   So excited!! Empty2019-01-23, 22:04

Buck this is the single barrel 12ga. Not the double barrel. Barrel has zero markings.
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PostSubject: Re: So excited!!   So excited!! Empty2019-01-23, 22:11

They made both, many of the single barrel shotguns were referred to as farm guns, usually used by a farmer and his family to kill anything that would harm their livestock.  The date you mentioned 1971 is 1871 Jonathan back east in the 1960's every shop that handled firearms had cracker barrels full of these old shotguns.  I have to look in my files probably have a few pictures of them from that time period, if you didn't have much money you could buy one of these old shotguns (cartridge type) with a box of low brass shells for $15 - $20 bucks.

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PostSubject: Re: So excited!!   So excited!! Empty2019-01-23, 22:49

I dont think it was restocked in 1871. The ramrod is only 30" long and does not enter into the stock, they kind of just mocked it up. They installed the stock to deeply and ran out of the room for the ramrod to actually go under the barrel. In the 1870s this would have still been in use. Most likely a restock so whoever could sell it off easier as a wall hanger.

I've been looking at pre carved stocks tonight, just not sure how deep i want to go into it. Inletting the sideplate alone has worn me out badly.
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You can see where they stopped with the ramrod, a good 13" short of what it needs to be.
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Who restocked it looks like they didn't have a long drill bit to do it correctly?

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could be, but had they drilled any deeper, they would have hit the barrel tenon.
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PostSubject: Re: So excited!!   So excited!! Empty2019-01-29, 17:41

Got into the shop today and sprayed a ton of PB Blast penetrating oil down the bore after plugging up the nipple hole with modeling clay. Its holding a good seal so maybe in the next 2 or 3 days I will give it a try and see if the nipple comes out. If not, A little heat from a propane torch and then more penetrating oil to soak in.
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Got the shotgun back the other day. New nipple installed! Now I just have to strap it back down and test the barrel again with the nipple in it this time.
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