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PostSubject: 54 Renegade   54 Renegade Empty2012-02-14, 18:40

Got the 54 renegade in today! I already sold the stock, so thats going off to the new owner. I had no need for 2 of them, just wanted the barrel.

Got the barrel all cleaned up and jb bore pasted only then to find out it was loaded Laughing

Impossible to pull what ever projectile was in there, so i added a sprinkle of Pyrodex RS under the nipple, put it on my lead sled, tied a string to the trigger and got a good distance back and pulled on the string. That took care of the bullet issue.

Got her mounted on my Renegade stock now and hope to shoot her as soon as I buy some #11 caps.

Amazing how much lighter the 54cal barrel makes it feel.

Post office has my other custom 54 barrel for it so once i get that tomorrow I can decide which one to use full time.

A nice deal someone added to this barrel was that they had it drilled and tapped the correct way! Not the bubba way.
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PostSubject: Re: 54 Renegade   54 Renegade Empty2012-02-14, 20:30

After you got the bullet removed,how did the barrel look and is it a 1:48?

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PostSubject: Re: 54 Renegade   54 Renegade Empty2012-02-14, 20:55

looks like a tiny bit of spotting in the rifling but still smooth. 1:48 twist
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PostSubject: Re: 54 Renegade   54 Renegade Empty2012-02-18, 08:01

That 1:48 twist makes good barrels, now you've got the option to shoot PRB and conicals with decent accuracy
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PostSubject: Re: 54 Renegade   54 Renegade Empty2012-02-18, 08:21

@Spitfire wrote:
That 1:48 twist makes good barrels, now you've got the option to shoot PRB and conicals with decent accuracy


I used to do that, but i've never been a compromise kind of guy. Pretty good doesn't work for me.

So, I just bought a GPR Flint .50. It has the 1-60 PRB barrel, and that's probably all i'll shoot. However, if I get a hair across my butt to shoot conicals. I'll get the GPH 1-32 barrel for them. My mind accepts that better.

1-60 PRB = Deer

1-32 Conical = Elk

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PostSubject: Re: 54 Renegade   54 Renegade Empty2012-02-18, 09:02

Colorado if you start out with enough gun in the first place you can use PRB on all your game ! I ordered a .62 barrel with Forsyth rifling (1:95) from Rice for the purpose of building a English sporting rifle. Idea is to only use PRB's for all my hunts and i think the .62's 330-340gr ball will be up to the job of taking any African ( non dangerous ) game Smile
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PostSubject: Re: 54 Renegade   54 Renegade Empty2012-02-18, 09:51

@Spitfire wrote:
Colorado if you start out with enough gun in the first place you can use PRB on all your game ! I ordered a .62 barrel with Forsyth rifling (1:95) from Rice for the purpose of building a English sporting rifle. Idea is to only use PRB's for all my hunts and i think the .62's 330-340gr ball will be up to the job of taking any African ( non dangerous ) game Smile


I know. I shot an elk last year with a .54 PRB. My elk hunting is winding down, and soon it will just be muley's. The .50 PRB will be perfect for them. I never take long shots, and only hunt in deep timber.

Plus, the deal I got on this GPR was too good to pass up, and all they had in left hand flints were .50's. I'm happy with my decision. So far. Very Happy

My thoughts are.......50 PRB.....75-80 gr Goex 2F.... 60-70yds..... lung shot......dead muley.

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PostSubject: Re: 54 Renegade   54 Renegade Empty2012-02-18, 12:17

Here is a stupid question - Definition for PRB

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PostSubject: Re: 54 Renegade   54 Renegade Empty2012-02-18, 12:18

Patched round ball.

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PostSubject: Re: 54 Renegade   54 Renegade Empty2012-02-18, 21:24

Custom Barrel Update

Got her all fixed up " the important stuff anyway" and was shooting her with .020" patches " super hard to load" .530 speer round ball, 80gr Pyrodex RS. Didn't really get a group, the front sight is a tiny little brass thing and just not made for precision with the tc rear sight set up. I believe the original owner had a peep sight on it. I plan on ordering a TC fiber optic front sight later down the road anyway so its another easy fix.

I did try to load some .018" patches with the speer ball but they were extremely tight as well. I am thinking the speer uses some hard lead and its causing the loading problems. I will have to cast some .530's later on and see how they do.

very nice handling rifle though. Even though the barrel is 2" longer than the factory barrel, its much lighter and balances better.

I was a wee bit scared when I first pulled the trigger as I didn't know the history behind the barrel, but it all worked out in the end Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: 54 Renegade   54 Renegade Empty2012-02-19, 08:43

Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: 54 Renegade   54 Renegade Empty2012-02-19, 09:08

@FrontierGander wrote:
Custom Barrel Update

Got her all fixed up " the important stuff anyway" and was shooting her with .020" patches " super hard to load" .530 speer round ball, 80gr Pyrodex RS. Didn't really get a group, the front sight is a tiny little brass thing and just not made for precision with the tc rear sight set up. I believe the original owner had a peep sight on it. I plan on ordering a TC fiber optic front sight later down the road anyway so its another easy fix.

I did try to load some .018" patches with the speer ball but they were extremely tight as well. I am thinking the speer uses some hard lead and its causing the loading problems. I will have to cast some .530's later on and see how they do.

very nice handling rifle though. Even though the barrel is 2" longer than the factory barrel, its much lighter and balances better.

I was a wee bit scared when I first pulled the trigger as I didn't know the history behind the barrel, but it all worked out in the end Very Happy
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Jon since it is a custom barrel, it's possible that it just has a bit tighter bore. you may try slugging it to see.

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PostSubject: Re: 54 Renegade   54 Renegade Empty2012-02-19, 09:39

I agree with Jeepman here as i use .018 patches with the .535 balls i cast from pure lead. They load very tight but not to the point of being extremely tight Very Happy

With 95gr ffg Wano i get 21/2 groups from 132yards using the standard iron sights.
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PostSubject: Re: 54 Renegade   54 Renegade Empty2012-02-19, 11:05

Yeah it was pretty bad guys LOL. Last night i did find some sharp edges at the muzzle and so i used a sanding block with 600gr sand paper and got that mirror smooth and then used some 0000 steel wool on the crown and just buffed that a bit to take out any sharp rifling that could be cutting the patch.

I may go and cast some 530's today since its so nice out.
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PostSubject: Re: 54 Renegade   54 Renegade Empty2012-02-19, 13:29

Will it never end? How about some sabots for a round ball? Evil or Very Mad

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PostSubject: Re: 54 Renegade   54 Renegade Empty2012-02-19, 14:10

Haha those are actually dangerous. Bad news on those things.

I did cast some balls today and used the .018" pillow tick. Still super tight to the point i have to use a ball starter and give it a couple good wacks to get it started. I am going to have to slug this bore and see what i can come up with.
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PostSubject: Re: 54 Renegade   54 Renegade Empty2012-02-19, 14:22

Why don't you use .015 patches? It's almost all I use.

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PostSubject: Re: 54 Renegade   54 Renegade Empty2012-02-19, 16:10

I prefer the thicker patches.

But I did find the problem today! Its not a .54cal!

Bore measures .534" land to land.

I even loaded a 425gr great plains and have to beat it down the bore. After screwing a ball puller into the bullet and then not being able to pull it out, i ended up dribbling a little powder under the nipple and firing it off.
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PostSubject: Re: 54 Renegade   54 Renegade Empty2012-02-20, 11:10

Looking like a custom bullet mold coming up Question
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PostSubject: Re: 54 Renegade   54 Renegade Empty2012-02-20, 11:46

Why would they make a .53 cal barrel? Some things make no sense. Is it better than a .50-.54?

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PostSubject: Re: 54 Renegade   54 Renegade Empty2012-02-20, 22:02

Think I saw a used .56 SB for the Renegade over at the Kittery Trading Post used gun website; you can have a shotgun barrel, too. www.ktpguns.com

Whoops. bad info. The barrel is Hawken, not Renegade.
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PostSubject: Re: 54 Renegade   54 Renegade Empty2012-02-23, 18:56

Got it all fixed up guys. Some others on another forum said to use some sand paper " i used 220 and 600grit" to smooth out the crown and remove the sharp edge that tends to bunch up the patch. I got it done in maybe 5 minutes and it loads easier now with the .018" patch and .530" round ball. Its still very very firm but I don't have to use a ball starter.

I did find some .010" patches and they load very loose. But I will try them anyway and see how she shoots for the heck of it.
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PostSubject: Re: 54 Renegade   54 Renegade Empty2012-02-24, 10:04

Sounds like you are getting there. Have you posted a pic of this rifle with the new barrel?
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PostSubject: Re: 54 Renegade   54 Renegade Empty2012-02-24, 10:27

I will later today. I still have quite a bit of work to do to get her finished but i am just taking small steps to make sure its gets done right.
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PostSubject: Re: 54 Renegade   54 Renegade Empty2012-02-24, 12:40

Shot her today! Took 2 shots aiming differently, groups were almost the same. The .010" patch is shredded to heck and back, either use a wad or up it to the .015" which i most likely will do anyway. 80gr Pyrodex RS showed great promise even with the patches being nothing more then shreds of cotton afterward.

Going out now to take some pics of the target and rifle.
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PostSubject: Re: 54 Renegade   54 Renegade Empty2012-02-24, 16:20

Custom 54cal is a 1:60 twist! Perfect for patched balls.
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PostSubject: Re: 54 Renegade   54 Renegade Empty2012-02-24, 16:46

You mean custom .53. clown

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PostSubject: Re: 54 Renegade   54 Renegade Empty2012-02-24, 17:48

The custom barreled renegade from today.
54 Renegade 100_0550
54 Renegade 100_0553
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Top 2 were me clicking the POI up a bit. Couldn't get the windage adjustment as my thumb nail was not strong enough to move it.

80gr Pyrodex RS, .010 patch "Shredded!" .530" round ball @ 60 yards.
54 Renegade 100_0555

Not to shabby for the first load i've ever tried. Going to get some .016" pillow tick some time and then really work with it. Just going to stop shooting it until I finish the barrel completely.
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PostSubject: Re: 54 Renegade   54 Renegade Empty2012-02-24, 22:22

Thanks for the pics
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PostSubject: Re: 54 Renegade   54 Renegade Empty2012-02-24, 23:53

HAHAH!! I found JUST enough 3f Goex I had stuffed away in the back of the closet to get 3 charges of 90gr! I will take some shots with Pyrodex RS to get it dialed in good and then try the 3f goex.
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PostSubject: Re: 54 Renegade   54 Renegade Empty2012-02-25, 08:54

Jon...didn't you say you ordered some Goex? Do you have some 2F coming? I'd love to see the fps difference between Goex 2F and RS?

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PostSubject: Re: 54 Renegade   54 Renegade Empty2012-02-25, 13:03

Pete yes I did put in an order for some powder.

Wow!! Even with the crappy .010" patches, I pulled off a 3/4" group @ 60 yards with the 90gr 3f charge.
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PostSubject: Re: 54 Renegade   54 Renegade Empty2012-02-25, 21:35

I've also found that i can get tighter groups using real black Smile
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PostSubject: Re: 54 Renegade   54 Renegade Empty2012-02-27, 11:54

@FrontierGander wrote:
Wow!! Even with the crappy .010" patches, I pulled off a 3/4" group @ 60 yards with the 90gr 3f charge.

Looks like you're getting there. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: 54 Renegade   54 Renegade Empty2012-02-27, 13:18

My best so far with open sights is 11/4" using 95gr Sannadex pistol, a .018" patch and a .535 ball from 100 yards.
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PostSubject: Re: 54 Renegade   54 Renegade Empty2012-02-27, 13:57

Jon Google Maine Powder House. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: 54 Renegade   54 Renegade Empty2012-02-27, 15:32

@Spitfire wrote:
My best so far with open sights is 11/4" using 95gr Sannadex pistol, a .018" patch and a .535 ball from 100 yards.

Good shooting Spitty...what's the price of that fish food these days? Smile Wink
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PostSubject: Re: 54 Renegade   54 Renegade Empty2012-03-01, 20:29

3 hours of draw filing and using 60 grit sand paper on the barrel flats, its damn near done and ready for browning.

I have to finish it off now with 100 grit and then its ready. Normally you'd use up to 220 grit but i want a dark dull finish when its browned and this is the best way to get it.
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PostSubject: Re: 54 Renegade   54 Renegade Empty2012-03-01, 20:34

Coming right along it sounds like. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: 54 Renegade   54 Renegade Empty2012-03-01, 20:36

Yep slow but steady. Just started the 100 grit sand right now. Have have a bottle of plum brown solution left so tomorrow i may just get started on it.
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PostSubject: Re: 54 Renegade   54 Renegade Empty2012-03-01, 22:52

Okay so the browning actually started tonight Laughing

Had some issues with spots not taking anything at all, 100 grit sand paper and hit it again with the browning solution solved that.

Had a blond moment and went to wipe some rust out of the bore with my pinky. Yeah not smart, my pink is all fat and swollen due to being burned by the hot barrel. Embarassed

Should have the first coat done tonight and then i will just have to wait till my order from birchwood casey comes in. I have a fresh bottle of plum brown in that order.
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PostSubject: Re: 54 Renegade   54 Renegade Empty2012-03-03, 10:52

Quigs we pay around R250-00 per pound for SDX (works out to about 34-00 USD )
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