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PostSubject: Re: 6.5x50 Arisaka   March 17th 2014, 9:10 am

I still want to neck the .303 down to 6,5mm , should make a fine small game calibre using 120 - 130gr bullets.
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PostSubject: Re: 6.5x50 Arisaka   March 22nd 2014, 8:31 pm

I have taken many whitetail deer using 120 gr. 6.5mm bullets out of the 6.5x55, 6.5-.257 Roberts improved and 6.5-.284 win.  They say the 6.5x55 and 140 gr bullets are used to take moose and elk up in Northern Europe.  I think the .303 should do about the same and if you gave it the Epps improvement a slow powder like 4831 and a long enough barrel 2900 to 3000 fps is not out of the question.

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PostSubject: Re: 6.5x50 Arisaka   March 23rd 2014, 12:03 am

I'm not worried about velocity much as the areas we normally hunt in is very bushy so distances are very short, 2300 to 2500fps is plenty for me . But with a 120 or 130 gr 6,5mm bullet the BC will be very high and that bullet will penetrate like hell.
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PostSubject: Re: 6.5x50 Arisaka   March 23rd 2014, 11:43 pm

Yes they do tend to be long for caliber and that is what gives them their penetration qualities. They are mostly underrated and overlooked here in the US.  I think that is because the cartridge companies have tried to push them too fast with over bore magnum cartridges.  Keep them guys around running under 2800 and they will do many things bigger bullets can't and without the heavy recoil. But that does not feed the American big velocity ego.  For me velocity is a useful tool for understanding trajectory and energy but can add a sense of fun to load development and also serve as a warning to possible pressure issues.

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PostSubject: Re: 6.5x50 Arisaka   March 24th 2014, 11:08 am

To me energy is relative ...look at the numbers generated by a .54 PRB or a traditional 45-70 BP round and then go look at how effective they are even though their paper ballistics are very poor.
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PostSubject: Re: 6.5x50 Arisaka   March 25th 2014, 3:15 pm

Relative is right, they are poor performers relative to a thirty-ot-six but were killing real animals quite well for a long time before the invent of smokeless powder.

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PostSubject: Re: 6.5x50 Arisaka   March 26th 2014, 9:21 am

Yeah I think we got spoiled by the CF's.... Wink
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PostSubject: Re: 6.5x50 Arisaka   March 27th 2014, 10:18 am

Spoiled is right, however, scoped HP rifles made shooting deer so easy and even boring that I started looking for something more challenging.  That is why I am back at black powder guns with open sights and "rainbow" trajectories.

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PostSubject: Re: 6.5x50 Arisaka   March 27th 2014, 11:28 am

Same here ...with modern rifles and loads hunting went out the back door and the best shot brought home the bacon.
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PostSubject: Re: 6.5x50 Arisaka   March 27th 2014, 5:54 pm

I belonged to a trophy-hunting club for over 20 years. Shooting a deer was a piece of cake with a modern rifle. Many switched to bow-hunting, muzzleloading, or pistol hunting.
I chose pistol and it still was easy but not real easy.

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PostSubject: Re: 6.5x50 Arisaka   March 27th 2014, 11:39 pm

Hunting big game with hand guns is something I have not tried yet. I have given it some thought but my hand guns are all .45 acp. I get the challenge though and it would take a bunch of practice with a new gun for me to get comfortable.

After switching back to black powder for hunting, the first deer I took with a Renegade and iron sights was a very satisfying experience because I had to concentrate and focus on the basic shooting skills.  All of a sudden it got exciting again. Now at some point every single day I think about what my next muzzleloader project will be.  I keep going back and ogling the fullstock flintlock Hawken kit at Track of the Wolf.  Now that looks like a challenge both to build and hunt with!

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PostSubject: Re: 6.5x50 Arisaka   March 28th 2014, 11:37 am

Hunting with a flinty is a real challenge but very satisfying.
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PostSubject: Re: 6.5x50 Arisaka   March 29th 2014, 6:16 pm

Maybe even a little intimidating....

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PostSubject: Re: 6.5x50 Arisaka   March 30th 2014, 12:02 am

Only intimidating if you don't know your flintlock , once you know their likes and dislikes they really aren't that fickle.....
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PostSubject: Re: 6.5x50 Arisaka   March 31st 2014, 9:24 am

I have been reading a "talking" on some of the traditional forums about flinters.  As with anything, practice makes perfect..... so I suppose I need to build me one and go from there.

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PostSubject: Re: 6.5x50 Arisaka   March 31st 2014, 10:11 am

I'm in the process of putting together a 8 bore flinter right now , will go well with the caplock.
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PostSubject: Re: 6.5x50 Arisaka   April 1st 2014, 10:34 am

Well ya can't just leave me hanging here on the edge of my chair without more info....
Kit/parts set, rebuilding an original or is it a scratch build?
Brass, silver or iron furniture?
Where are you getting the lock, stock, barrel and furniture?
Do you have pictures?

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PostSubject: Re: 6.5x50 Arisaka   April 1st 2014, 11:46 am

Archie it is a Purdey Sporting Rifle that is being scratch build , the barrel is a Ed Ryal  swamped piece with 1:72 round bottom rifling. All the furniture was sourced from TOW in cast steel. The lock is from Ken Netting and he reworked and aged it as well.

No pics at this moment but as soon as I have the parts here i'll make some and post them.
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PostSubject: Re: 6.5x50 Arisaka   April 1st 2014, 12:30 pm

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No pics at this moment but as soon as I have the parts here i'll make some and post them.

Don't hold your breath Archie. Spit was going to post some pics of his African animals that he's bagged. That was several months ago and they haven't shown up yet.  Dunno

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PostSubject: Re: 6.5x50 Arisaka   April 1st 2014, 9:51 pm

8 bore? what is that about an .83" ball?  Or do you just patch a volkswagon and stuff that down the barrel?  That is actually a pretty good idea, turn the headlights on and you won't even need to aim at deer, they will jump out in front of it.......

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PostSubject: Re: 6.5x50 Arisaka   April 2nd 2014, 10:04 am

Yeah the 8 bore measure .835 , will have to double patch that v-dub otherwise it'll just fall into the barrel  Laughing 

Pato ...patience . I don't hunt with a camera so pics need to be taken this year  Embarassed
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PostSubject: Re: 6.5x50 Arisaka   April 2nd 2014, 11:25 am

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Pato ...patience . I don't hunt with a camera so pics need to be taken this year  Embarassed

 bounce bounce bounce  Patience, what's that?  scratch 

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PostSubject: Re: 6.5x50 Arisaka   April 2nd 2014, 12:09 pm

Must be that stuff I'm running short of waiting for hunting season  Wink
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