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PostSubject: Re: Black Powder vs Substitutes   September 7th 2013, 4:46 pm

No, on the redesigned Mag Sparks the top half that unscrews, from the bottom half where the primer goes, is now threaded differently it will not fit the 2009-2010 production models however they will fit the older production models.  According to Mr Hubbard the subcontractor changed the specs.  Mr Hubbard took over production again and the newer ones are made to spec.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Powder vs Substitutes   September 7th 2013, 7:37 pm

OK, that makes sense now. Maybe I should hurry up and buy a couple of the "good" ones quickly since Mr. Hubbard is in his 80s.

I bought one in 2011 so it may be a defective one although I've shot it quite a bit and it seems fine.

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PostSubject: Re: Black Powder vs Substitutes   September 8th 2013, 1:30 am

I've always wanted to try them as well , maybe I must order one and see how it works.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Powder vs Substitutes   September 8th 2013, 12:23 pm

Go to Warren Custom Outdoors click on Mag spark and then click on pricing information it will give you the dates of the which caps and which Mag Sparks  work together.  The folks there are quite helpful.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Powder vs Substitutes   September 8th 2013, 5:29 pm

I just got an email back from Warren Outdoors. They looked up when I bought mine and said the bad ones were gone 10 months before I got mine. Mine should be fine.

They have something called a "One Hole Sight" which is basically a peep sight blade that replaces the blade in the rear adjustable sight of guns. I'm going to get one for my Ruger Old Army so I can focus on the front sight.

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PostSubject: Re: Black Powder vs Substitutes   September 8th 2013, 5:55 pm

that one hole sight will work on my 58cal since i used a marlin 336 rear sight! Hmmmmm i will have to experiment.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Powder vs Substitutes   September 8th 2013, 11:08 pm

That's what makes shooting so interesting Jon ...always something new to try out !
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PostSubject: Re: Black Powder vs Substitutes   September 9th 2013, 6:05 am

Then again. The old stuff continues to work fine. Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Black Powder vs Substitutes   September 9th 2013, 9:15 am

Yes Pete but how do you accumulate goodies if you don't "test" anything .....we sometimes need an excuse to buy something Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Black Powder vs Substitutes   September 9th 2013, 9:28 am

There's an older alternative that can be used with any open sights called a Merit optical device. I'll post some photos in the ACCESSORIES section.

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PostSubject: Re: Black Powder vs Substitutes   September 9th 2013, 12:28 pm

@Spitfire wrote:
Yes Pete but how do you accumulate goodies if you don't "test" anything .....we sometimes need an excuse to buy something Laughing
 I let you guys do the testing.  clown

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PostSubject: Re: Black Powder vs Substitutes   September 9th 2013, 1:18 pm

Clever ! That way you only buy what works ...
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PostSubject: Re: Black Powder vs Substitutes   April 29th 2014, 3:58 pm

MULEY SAID  Keep in mind BH 209 has a lot more pressure. I wouldn't be that comfortable shooting in a gun using nipples. Even though it's been done. I always lean to the safe side.

So flat out what is the scoop as far as the above statement goes. I finally found some BH209 locally and a month or so ago I got a mag spark. I want to give it a try with this combo this coming weekend on my old side locks but you have me worried now especially since I shoot right handed guns left handed and for real only have one good eye. i wouldn't look too pretty with a magspark unit stuck in my left eye socket. Is the pressure really a lot more than black or pyrodex?
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PostSubject: Re: Black Powder vs Substitutes   April 29th 2014, 6:11 pm

Keep in mind i'm already blind in one eye. I'm pretty protective of my good eye now.

Whatever you do. Where good eye protection.

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PostSubject: Re: Black Powder vs Substitutes   April 30th 2014, 4:48 am

Though I am right handed I have always shot rifles lefty because my right eye is legally blind so I am right with you on the eye protection.
All of my muzzle loaders are side locks, all but one are from kits I put together before the inline stuff came out. I suppose I could go back to black or pyrodex but at this point I am looking for the lazy mans cleaning routine that's why I am on to the BlackHorn.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Powder vs Substitutes   April 30th 2014, 7:11 am

A friend of mine converted his White Mountain Carbine that he was shooting 90gr Pyro in and BH told him to start with 80 gr of BH.
Your best bet would be to call BH and confirm what's going to be safe....
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PostSubject: Re: Black Powder vs Substitutes   April 30th 2014, 7:52 am

@buckheart wrote:
Though I am right handed I have always shot rifles lefty because my right eye is legally blind so I am right with you on the eye protection.
All of my muzzle loaders are side locks, all but one are from kits I put together before the inline stuff came out. I suppose I could go back to black or pyrodex but at this point I am looking for the lazy mans cleaning routine that's why I am on to the BlackHorn.

Not sure what's hard about using BP? I can take endless shots with a PRB with no swabbing. The most i've taken is 30, but I could have gone on forever.

A simple flush with soap and water when i'm done, and not only is the bore clean, but the breech channel too.

How are you going to clean the breech channel with BH 209?

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PostSubject: Re: Black Powder vs Substitutes   May 3rd 2014, 4:56 am

How are you going to clean the breech channel with BH 209?


Take the nipple and drum off and run something through the hole in the barrel. The two side locks I want to use it in have a threaded hole in the side of the barrel and can be converted to flint lock with a threaded vent hole type deal.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Powder vs Substitutes   May 3rd 2014, 8:38 am

You may be doing that a lot. A 209 primer has a lot of residue compared to a cap.

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PostSubject: Re: Black Powder vs Substitutes   May 3rd 2014, 9:29 am

Much less fuss just to use a no 11 cap and some good ole black powder.....
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PostSubject: Re: Black Powder vs Substitutes   December 22nd 2014, 5:55 pm

Muley wrote:
@buckheart wrote:
Though I am right handed I have always shot rifles lefty because my right eye is legally blind so I am right with you on the eye protection.
All of my muzzle loaders are side locks, all but one are from kits I put together before the inline stuff came out. I suppose I could go back to black or pyrodex but at this point I am looking for the lazy mans cleaning routine that's why I am on to the BlackHorn.

Not sure what's hard about using BP? I can take endless shots with a PRB with no swabbing. The most i've taken is 30, but I could have gone on forever.

A simple flush with soap and water when i'm done, and not only is the bore clean, but the breech channel too.

How are you going to clean the breech channel with BH 209?

yea I love plain old black powder also. but I own a lot  of traditional
 guns. but I do shoot 110 grains of 2f in my Remington 700ml/240 grain honrady xtp =dead deer every time for me. and never misfired.

heck I tried 2f bp in my cva Electra also. worked just fine. and pretty good accuracy at a 100 yards.
for me it has less issues than pyrodex or 777

going to try blackhorn thought in my prohunter
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PostSubject: Re: Black Powder vs Substitutes   December 28th 2014, 10:39 am

If you want to shoot BH209 in a sidelock you can use 10gr of Jim Shocky gold 3f as a booster without the magspark. Cleanup is as simple as one dry patch,one wet patch 91 percent isopropyl alchohol both sides. Next wet patch clean.Then a dry patch. To clean bolster,drum, pour alcohol in let set then flush.
      Ignition is excellent. Tested in a $100 renegade parts gun and a couple of others . Not necessary to clean right away and can hunt with a fouled barrel.Working well so far for me.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Powder vs Substitutes   December 28th 2014, 11:22 am

Or, you can just shoot black powder like the gun was designed to do.

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PostSubject: Re: Black Powder vs Substitutes   December 28th 2014, 5:50 pm

Thanks Muley,
        You reminded me of probably the biggest advantage of not shooting black. It avoids the stink  that accompanies shooting black about the stink of shooting black when the other half returns.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Powder vs Substitutes   December 28th 2014, 7:45 pm

I thought the stink was the good part?

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