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PostSubject: Re: Black Powder vs Substitutes   August 26th 2013, 9:00 am

The Pyrodex Select came out long after the first release of Pyrodex. It was basically the RS powder that went through an extra process of sifting the powder to make it more uniform. RS and Select start as the exact same powder. They are both 2F powder.

If 2F was written on the can/bottle. Someone other than Hodgdon put it there.

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PostSubject: Re: Black Powder vs Substitutes   August 26th 2013, 9:33 am

I have a unopened can of Pyrodex P, so I am going to try it.  I hope it shows different than my friends powder.  Have any of you used the No Excuse Bullets?  If so how do they compare to other slugs.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Powder vs Substitutes   August 26th 2013, 9:48 am

I tried some. Not the most accurate bullet, but I hear the terminal performance is unmatched. I never shot anything with them.

Recoil from hell.

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PostSubject: Re: Black Powder vs Substitutes   August 26th 2013, 10:33 am

I tried them a long time ago in a Winchester X150. It did pretty decent with them but I had only ordered a sample of them to see if the sizing was correct. I think I used the 385gr hornady great plains bullet in that gun most of the time.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Powder vs Substitutes   August 26th 2013, 8:22 pm

Is there any of you out there who have tried the spitfire 209 ignition and 209 powder on a traditional rifle besides Pato.  I am really interested in trying it out, but not at the expense of my gun.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Powder vs Substitutes   August 26th 2013, 8:30 pm

I guess they are called Mag-Spark
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PostSubject: Re: Black Powder vs Substitutes   August 26th 2013, 8:32 pm

Here's a couple of testimonies. Give it a try. It obviously works. I just worry about the BH 209 powder.

 http://www.warrencustomoutdoor.com/mag-spark.html

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PostSubject: Re: Black Powder vs Substitutes   August 26th 2013, 8:33 pm

I used the mag spark for about 7 shots. Worked awesome until it ripped apart. Design flaw the machinist did for the cva/traditions guns using the 6-1mm thread.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Powder vs Substitutes   August 26th 2013, 8:55 pm

I read your mention about that one.  Was it a definite flaw of the gun and not to much pressure on the nipple.  Muley said he wouldn't want to use the system on his traditionals.  Are there any more of you out there of the same mind.  I have the regular old traditional hawken slanted breech that was designed after the later hawkens.  I either purchased it from the Track of the Wolf or the fellow who makes the old Davis Lock.  Can't remember which.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Powder vs Substitutes   August 26th 2013, 9:06 pm

I'm to traditional to use anything but black powder. I wouldn't even think of using BH 209 in a sidelock, but that's just me. I fly fish with bamboo, and silk lines too. I like the old stuff.



Here's something you'll enjoy. Just what you wanted to hear. Read the last post.

http://www.go2gbo.com/forums/modern-inline-muzzle-loading-rifles-shotguns/mag-spark-209-nipple-in-sidelock-and-blackhorn-209/

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PostSubject: Re: Black Powder vs Substitutes   August 26th 2013, 10:03 pm

Thanks for the routing Muley.  I love traditional also, but I cheat on some guns.  My wife shot a 32" buck using a 45 cal., slow twist, Indian Trade Rifle, with the old Green River barrel, shooting a sabot (round balls were not legal).  It grouped amazing well with that sabot. 

One of my guns still looks traditional, weighs 11lbs, but shoots with a fast twist. 

 I fly fish is with the newest thing out and get to the rough high country lakes in a RZR.

Guess we can't all be alike.Very Happy Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Black Powder vs Substitutes   August 27th 2013, 7:53 am

Yeah, if we were all alike we'd either all be shooting Hawkens, or smokeless muzzleloaders.

Then we'd all have to agree on everything. How boring.

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PostSubject: Re: Black Powder vs Substitutes   August 27th 2013, 10:22 am

You're right Pete , and everybody would marry long legged blondes Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Black Powder vs Substitutes   August 27th 2013, 12:50 pm

We'd run out of blondes.

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PostSubject: Re: Black Powder vs Substitutes   August 27th 2013, 1:08 pm

Not that easy .....Over here in the boonies even Obama's long lost brothers and sisters sport blonde hair these days Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Black Powder vs Substitutes   August 27th 2013, 1:14 pm

Yes, but only natural blondes are dumb with big boobs.

Harder to find.

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PostSubject: Re: Black Powder vs Substitutes   August 27th 2013, 2:07 pm

Actually, there is a "tribe"?? over on an island that is naturally blonde. Oddest thing ive ever seen and they dont know exactly why they have blonde hair.

Dumb blondes typically turn out to be brunettes originally.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Powder vs Substitutes   August 27th 2013, 5:57 pm

Here is an an answer to the question of extra pressure on the Mag-Spark nipple on a traditional ML rifle.

[me]  Yes it is the Mag-Spark.  I guess my question is there any extra pressure put against the nipple than any other black powder or sutstitutes?  Thanks

[manufacture rep]  No, it is the same or less because of the powder speed.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Powder vs Substitutes   August 27th 2013, 6:00 pm

By the way this is on Powder 209
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PostSubject: Re: Black Powder vs Substitutes   August 27th 2013, 6:06 pm

@Cannonball wrote:
Here is an an answer to the question of extra pressure on the Mag-Spark nipple on a traditional ML rifle.

[me]  Yes it is the Mag-Spark.  I guess my question is there any extra pressure put against the nipple than any other black powder or sutstitutes?  Thanks

[manufacture rep]  No, it is the same or less because of the powder speed.
Unlike Jon I have had absolutely no problem using a Mag-Spark in my side-hammer Hawken clone. I haven't tried loads of more than 90 grains vol equiv. of BH 209. I weigh out 63 grains of BH 209 and it gives very good accuracy out to 125 yards with saboted .452 cast lead bullets.

I don't like recoil!

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PostSubject: Re: Black Powder vs Substitutes   August 27th 2013, 6:09 pm

I havent read about any other problems, they Manf. called and spoke with me, Even talked to Hubbard himself and he apologized, told me what the problem was and that the machinist added an extra thread to the 6-1mm mag spark adapter and made it to thin, weakening it. I loved it for the 7 shots it lasted. Now would i trust it again with the 6-1mm thread guns?? I honestly couldnt tell you. I dont even know if they fixed the 6-1mm yet.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Powder vs Substitutes   August 27th 2013, 6:14 pm

Mr. Hubbard lives in Montevallo, Ala. When I called him, he was cutting the grass. He is about 84 yrs. old. I used to frog gig in a pond at Montevallo College a short distance from his house in the '60s.

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PostSubject: Re: Black Powder vs Substitutes   August 27th 2013, 6:31 pm

@Cannonball wrote:
Here is an an answer to the question of extra pressure on the Mag-Spark nipple on a traditional ML rifle.

[me]  Yes it is the Mag-Spark.  I guess my question is there any extra pressure put against the nipple than any other black powder or sutstitutes?  Thanks

[manufacture rep]  No, it is the same or less because of the powder speed.
Baloney! It isn't recommended to use BH 209 on Knight plunger guns, because it blows the bolt back. No other powder does that. Just shoot BH 209 back to back with any other BP/sub, and tell me the recoil is the same.

Of course Western is going to say that. They're trying to sell the powder.

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PostSubject: Re: Black Powder vs Substitutes   August 27th 2013, 6:57 pm

Yea BH209 in a plunger gun could cause some problems, I have seen what a hefty charge of 777 does as well, blows primers to pieces and can blow the bolt back as well....
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PostSubject: Re: Black Powder vs Substitutes   August 27th 2013, 7:00 pm

You guys have changed my plans to order a Mag-Spark though.
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