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PostSubject: Why do people use pellets?   September 24th 2013, 7:40 pm

I am just curious as to why you use pellets (beside the convenience). I am in no way bashing pellets, I have used them myself. I am a 777 2f user. I am trying things I have never done before with muzzleloading, and thought I might learn something from this thread.
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PostSubject: Re: Why do people use pellets?   September 24th 2013, 7:48 pm

exactly the reason, they claim they don't spill in the wind. Neither do loose charges in speed loaders. Nothing wrong with pellets though, if they work for you and you dont mind the extra cost, use 'em.
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PostSubject: Re: Why do people use pellets?   September 24th 2013, 7:50 pm

Laziness.

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PostSubject: Re: Why do people use pellets?   September 24th 2013, 7:58 pm

My thought was that it would be difficult to find the most accurate load in your gun with pellets. Hard to ladder test in 30 grain increments. But I am open to learning stuff.
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PostSubject: Re: Why do people use pellets?   September 25th 2013, 8:20 am

No way of finding a rifles sweet spot using pellets and like Pete said just laziness .
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PostSubject: Re: Why do people use pellets?   September 25th 2013, 9:16 am

I've hunted with pellets in the past successfully... but use loose powder exclusively now for several reason.  For one, group sizes on the shooting range will shrink using lose powder vs. pellets.  

There is one big CON I have with using pellets.  When hunting I usually keep a charge in the rifle all season, and will shove a ramrod down the barrel every so often to make sure my bullet hasn't shifted and remains firmly seated against the powder charge.   It you use pellets they are susceptible to chipping or cracking, and agressive ramrod  use can fragment the pellet and there goes your accuracy.
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PostSubject: Re: Why do people use pellets?   September 25th 2013, 9:18 am

Lets not forget that pellets are more expensive too.

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PostSubject: Re: Why do people use pellets?   September 25th 2013, 5:05 pm

It is out of convenience IMO. I live in a small town an hour away from anything else and there isn't even a gun store in town. You can almost always find pellets at a Walmart or other such stores. You won't find BH 209 or loose powder at near as many places. Also, a lot of new ML shooters (such as myself) are drawn to the simplicity of pellets. 

Don't use pellets but I can see why so many people do. We just know that we can attain much better accuracy and tailor the load with loose powder.

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PostSubject: Re: Why do people use pellets?   October 2nd 2013, 10:25 am

I was under the impression that some breech plugs are made to use pellets.  one of our muzzleloaders is a t/c firestorm, the breech plug comes to a point which supposedly causes the center hole in the pellets to align with it sending the flame up the middle of the pellets causing a faster ignition.  or at least that is what they claimed would happen when the pellets first came out.  i don't know if it actually works, but I do buy both pellets and loose powder for use in different guns.  jim

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PostSubject: Re: Why do people use pellets?   October 2nd 2013, 5:39 pm

@groove wrote:
I was under the impression that some breech plugs are made to use pellets.  one of our muzzleloaders is a t/c firestorm, the breech plug comes to a point which supposedly causes the center hole in the pellets to align with it sending the flame up the middle of the pellets causing a faster ignition.  or at least that is what they claimed would happen when the pellets first came out.  i don't know if it actually works, but I do buy both pellets and loose powder for use in different guns.  jim
Funny you should post this. I had a firestorm caplock. I hear the flinters were better. If you had the caplock, how did you keep that drum clean? with those itty bitty holes, I cussed myself several times for buying the gun, I had a ftf in the field that cost me a doe. I found a .54 hawken a pawn shop, we settled on 100 and my gun, I almost broke my arm getting my wallet out to trade off that lovely firestorm. I hope you have a better experience than I did. Don't get me wrong, It killed deer, but it was the worst pain in the butt muzzleloader I ever owned. Shot pretty good with 90 grains 2f 777 and lee real 240 grain that we cast, if that drum wasn't clogged.
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PostSubject: Re: Why do people use pellets?   October 2nd 2013, 6:15 pm

my firestorm is the flinter, our main muzzleloader season is flintlock only, here in Pa.  I must say that I am extremely happy it hasn't changed to anything else.  it separates us true black powder guys, from the rest of the world. they did add a special early, any muzzleloader, season that is a week long and doe only that starts in 2 weeks.  i did a few mods to my firestorm when I got it.  I opened up the flash hole one drill size and did the same to the breech plug.  it goes off every time now without delay.   jim

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PostSubject: Re: Why do people use pellets?   October 2nd 2013, 6:27 pm

Smart move. I gave some thought to modifying it, and thought harder about finding something I would be happy with. Good luck on your hunt.
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PostSubject: Re: Why do people use pellets?   October 2nd 2013, 11:56 pm

Hunting with a flinter is the ultimate muzzleloading experience Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Why do people use pellets?   October 3rd 2013, 8:26 am

@groove wrote:
my firestorm is the flinter, our main muzzleloader season is flintlock only, here in Pa.  I must say that I am extremely happy it hasn't changed to anything else.  it separates us true black powder guys, from the rest of the world. they did add a special early, any muzzleloader, season that is a week long and doe only that starts in 2 weeks.  i did a few mods to my firestorm when I got it.  I opened up the flash hole one drill size and did the same to the breech plug.  it goes off every time now without delay.   jim
They had the right idea when they opened that season, and required a PRB. Now they caved in , and allow sabots. Sabots in a flintlock???

Hardly a primitive season anymore.

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PostSubject: Re: Why do people use pellets?   October 3rd 2013, 10:43 am

Never knew you get flinters with fast twist rates , all the flinters I've seen so far had round ball twists scratch
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PostSubject: Re: Why do people use pellets?   October 3rd 2013, 3:08 pm

One example would be the Great Plains Hunter. It's a GPR with a 1-32 twist barrel.

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PostSubject: Re: Why do people use pellets?   October 4th 2013, 12:13 am

Never really looked at one closely before...but i still prefer the ball shooter.
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PostSubject: Re: Why do people use pellets?   October 4th 2013, 8:57 pm

Getting the thread back to the original question, I have been very successful using Pyrodex pellets.  I have not been able to get similar accuracy with 150 gr of loose powder as 3 of the 50 gr pellets.  Nor can I get the same velocity, its usually lower than the 3 pellet load.  They are a lot more expensive though.  I did try to switch to loose Pyrodex for a few years, but I have found its better for firecrackers than in my muzzleloaders since BH209 came out.
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PostSubject: Re: Why do people use pellets?   October 4th 2013, 11:54 pm

For some reason they don't sell pellets this side of the pond , we only get loose powder.

It's interesting to note that with pellets you get more velocity , wonder why ?
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PostSubject: Re: Why do people use pellets?   October 5th 2013, 12:30 am

Actually you don't. Most 110 grain loose powder loads are running the same velocity as 150 grains worth of (3) pellets.

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PostSubject: Re: Why do people use pellets?   October 5th 2013, 2:24 am

Do you get better accuracy using pellets Mark ?
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PostSubject: Re: Why do people use pellets?   October 5th 2013, 3:40 am

No, my groups were better with loose. However, I think it it's because you can fine tune the load to what works best for the bullet/sabot combo for that particular rifle twist. Even with 100 grains of BH209 I didn't have super tight groups, they were better than two White Hot pellets, but not spectacular. When I bumped up to 110 that is when everything really shrunk. I think the 110 grains gets the bullet to the proper speed for stabilization. This is why I think loose is better, you can fine tune.

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PostSubject: Re: Why do people use pellets?   October 5th 2013, 6:09 am

My sentiments exactly !
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PostSubject: Re: Why do people use pellets?   October 5th 2013, 7:27 am

For years i used Pyrodex pellets interchangeably with Pyrodex RS. Ease of loading in the field was my thing.
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PostSubject: Re: Why do people use pellets?   October 5th 2013, 9:45 am

I think if you settle on a load that you get with the pellets it might be convenient to use but if your load comes in at say 115 loose is the way to go.
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